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'GrayKey' iPhone Unlocking Box Used by Law Enforcement Shown Off in Photos
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Welp, time to upgrade my passcode to my 27 character password..
I can see the conspiracy theory vibe is strong with you.
Are you really trying to say that EVERY patch makes more holes. Every patch there ever was and every patch that will ever be? Its you kind of ******** that makes people who are technically lacking either afraid to use and vilify the tools we have or spread more ******** like you spout with no real knowledge of what they are talking about. Take this crap back to facebook.
To this I would say that Apple could choose to tighten security but it comes at a slight cost. I’m personally willing to accept that cost.
The fact is, there’s a data exchange via lightning that occurs when a locked phone is connected and this has the potential to be corrupted. I’m saying Apple should disallow any digital access to the device save negotiations on power until it is unlocked.
The cost? Well plugging in a locked iPhone won’t be able to show you a pretty picture with the name and details of the phone in iTunes until it’s unlocked via the touchscreen for a start, and would also preclude servicing the phone via lightning (such as in the case of a broken screen). But I’m willing to accept that. Most won’t but I am. I’d like that choice!
But you're automatically assuming this story is true. Why? Because it was on the internet?
This box seem to be similar to some addons to the Cellebrite UFED Physical Analyzer. There are other companies like Blackbag Tech, Susteen, MSAB and Katana Forensics who have similar tools.
If you live in the US https://www.rcfl.gov is where you find so called CPIK kiosk who supposedly do all these things.
If you live in the US https://www.rcfl.gov is where you find so called CPIK kiosk who supposedly do all these things.
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No I didn't say that. And calling a fellow consumer's comments- be they right or wrong- "crap" says more about you than it does me.
What I meant was that every patch INSPIRES the efforts to find another hole... as long as the prize stored within is worthwhile to pursue. The bigger point was opt to take away the prize and this kind of problem mostly evaporates. Else, it's just a forever battle of patch here, new exploit there, patch there, new exploit this other way, patch that other way, new exploit, etc. That's the game.
Play it if we will or solve it for ourselves by not storing upwards of every valuable bit of personal information on a mobile device easily lost or stolen. All the generations before us managed to thwart much of this problem without the existence of smart phones at all. How did they do it with relatively primitive technologies? One way was not carrying around so much exploitable information on their bodies at all times. Another way was not storing up to everything exploitable in any single place. Etc.
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Like I said in my original post I'm not sure if you meant to sound anti-Semitic, just that is how your comment came off. Yes, if you said something similar about S. Koreans, it would sound anti-Asian.
Let's review:
What you wrote: "When you bought an Israel company that specialises in chip design ....and then another Israeli company comes out that can hack the the latest iOS.......take the hint..."
You specifically mention Apple buying an Israeli company then note another Israeli company figured out how to decrypt. Not leaving that to coincidence you conclude "take the hint." Whatever you actually meant, it's very easy for a reader to infer you were implying there was some kind of collusion between the Israeli company that makes the chip and the one that is selling the decryption box; that somehow Israelis, because you specifically mention them, are not trustworthy and Apple should "take a hint."
Again, maybe you didn't mean to imply this. If not you should put more thought into how you phrase your comments.
if they have a warrant that demonstrated probable cause, then they can use the device. Otherwise, it is a violation of the 4th Amendment. But look at FISA and the NSA collecting everything without a warrant.....so you are basically gambling that the LEOs are doing it right.....
That's a big reason to stay up to date on software updates.Imagine buying one and one software update later it doesn't work anymore.
Or at least a bunch of blinking lights on the front, like in those old sci-fi movies!
[doublepost=1521211926][/doublepost]Besides, why is everyone worried about this? First off, someone would need to steal your phone. Then second, that person would have to be equipped with one of these expensive units. And even before that, the person with this unit would have to have a very good reason to be lifting your phone in the first place. So, I'm not worried about all this....
No need to imagine. This how big government operates with our money unfortunately.Imagine buying one and one software update later it doesn't work anymore.
Thank you for the excellent response. Did not want to get so far into the weeds.Easy, phones and safes don't have rights. Next.
For legal vs illegal search and seizure of persons and property, see 4th amendment. Government needs a warrant to search either.
For a remedial Civics refresher, behold the 9th Amendment:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
You've heard the phrase 'limited government'? Who limits it? The people. How do the people limit it? By giving the government limited rights and binding those in a legal contract. In short, and the key philosophy you are missing in your understanding: People inherently have all the rights, and the critical yang to that ying, the government inherently has no rights. Rights have never been the government's to give.
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However, Tomato tomato come on. Yes we the people had all the rights, until, very important point we gave them away or at times took them back. Ammend your contract by passing, amendments and laws. Thus, we now have less or at times more rights. Our rights at any given point in time, may be significantly different then other times. The government technically did not take our rights we for the benefit of societies bests interests, gave them away. Tried to keep it simple, by using the safe analogy, but to your point inanimate objects have no rights. That is why “gun control” is a False Narritive.
When society feels threatened, it will react. First thoughts, get control of he situation. Society may give the POTUS some extra power, as was done recently. POTUS did not take he power, requested it. Essentially modifying the contract which ends up with us “we the people” having less rights, willingly. Good point, the Government cannot take our rights. The limits on our rights, what power we gave the Government defined in your examples. Some of the amendments challenged for clarity of how much of our rights did we give away or the other view how much power does the Government have. Thank you for the civics class. Not your best student.
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That tradition worked well in Chinese dynasties. All "high-tech" was created at the pleasure of the emperor, and the creator of such could not share it. Modern NDAs and employment contracts attempt to limit disclosure but they don't work nearly as well as the tried and true inventor+bag+rocks+lake method.
So you are ok with the criminals getting into your phone? As soon as you create/discover some kind of back door/'break glass' option to get into a locked phone it is there for anyone to use/exploit.
I always love statements about this stuff "falling into the wrong hands." The police, FBI, CIA, or whatever government agency we're talking about is already the "wrong hands." Who do you think is more likely to use a device like this to go through your private data, some group of criminals that has stolen one of these boxes or your local PD?
Encryption is heavily fueled specifically with keeping information private from the "good guys." (What a total abuse of language if ever there was one.)
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I had no idea about this! I used to use alphanumeric but it was just too much of a pain. (Of course, my password was kind of absurd.) I just tried this out and it's pretty awesome. Great tip.
Encryption is heavily fueled specifically with keeping information private from the "good guys." (What a total abuse of language if ever there was one.)
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I had no idea about this! I used to use alphanumeric but it was just too much of a pain. (Of course, my password was kind of absurd.) I just tried this out and it's pretty awesome. Great tip.