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How many of those can you say bye-bye to without privacy?
I suppose checking the weather applies.
I did not say one word about doing away with privacy or security, so you are replying to points you've made up- or (mistakenly) read into- what I did write... which was- in short- a remedy to this problem that completely thwarts the bad guys is not storing anything you consider super secret on a mobile device so easily lost or stolen.
The personal equivalent of state secrets being stored on mobile devices are not necessary to get rich & full use out of them. For example, something as relatively sensitive as a soc. sec. number is NOT required for probably any of those top 10 things you listed, nor probably the next 20 or 30 below them.
Why do we need to put words in other people's mouths to then offer up counterpoint? Was what was actually written not interesting enough to be able to reply with something more fitting... or just ignore because there was nothing there worth a reply?
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Boy are you so wrong! You don't seem to know anything about what you talk about!!!!!!!1
It is not a case of not storing anything on our phones we don't want getting into the wrong hands It is a case of protecting our very lives. I mean think for a second, (hard I know)we all have so much on our phones these days. From banking to sensitive emails, from health info to more. so we have to protect that info. Now i know that you will still claim that we could all just only use our phones for texting and calling. But then firstly, why have such powerful phones hat are only used for calling/texting ? I bet if all the world's phone companies suddenly stopped making smart phones and made dumb phones instead you would be first to moan. Now I bet you will say "Oh yes but what about games/apps?" well those apps could not do anything other than be games because remember we have to get rid of anything that could be of benefit to hackers(which is just about everything). So we are only really left with games and most of those all let you buy in game currency. So you therefore can not buy any because that requires storing a credit card on file and that could then be used by the hacker to gain financially.
PLus I and others should not have to radically change our lives just to please either you or to stop the hackers. There are other ays you know, like having strong security and strong security practices.
That is much better because at the end of the day what you fail to grasp is that security is a state of mind and should not be a chore(which your idea would be...a chore that is).
if you make it a chore then you will fail to adequately protect yourself.
Ummm no, our lives are generally not at stake here. If you are storing something on your phone that puts your "very life" in jeopardy, you should rethink how you use your phone.
We "all have so much on our phones" because we CHOOSE to store so much on them. We don't have to do that, it's a choice. Before smart phones, we could have chosen to carry all the cash we had around in money bags hanging around our necks but the vast majority of us were smart enough to recognize that as probably a bad idea and opt to store our cash somewhere more secure. Our personal documents like tax forms, etc probably were not carried around in our pockets either. Once again, we made choices about what really needed to be with us at any given time and what could be stored somewhere more secure. Storing all that on a mobile device that goes everywhere with us now is merely a choice too. If we have 20, 30, 50 or a 100 huge secrets on our phones that would cost us dearly if some hacker could get at them, do we actually need those 20, 30, 50 or 100 always available to us at all times wherever we go? Or could we dump the vast majority of that to some more secure device, leave home without them and have zero impact on our day-to-day experiences?
I made no such suggestion about using smart phones for only talk & text. My comments were about choosing not to store lots of sensitive information we would not want to get out if the bad guys gained control of our phones. That's substantially different than twisting that into me saying stop using smart phones for anything more than bare basics.
I made no suggestion about going to dumb phones, or using smart phones for only game playing either. A phone is not smart or dumb based upon how many of our most important secrets are stored on them. That's just something else they are able to store if we CHOOSE to store such information on them.
I made no suggestion whatsoever about EVERYONE having to "radically change <their> lives just to please <me>". What I did offer was that anyone could make a CHOICE to thwart the hackers by opting NOT to store their most valuable information on a mobile device they can lose or get taken from them. You somehow read that I'm suggesting some all-ecompassing mandate on everyone while I'm pointing out that simple common sense CHOICES by anyone interested can be made to solve this problem without waiting on Apple or anyone else to try to completely secure these kinds of devices (which will probably NEVER happen).
I made no suggestion that Apple and others stop striving to have "strong security and strong security practices." What I did offer was that choices could be made that doesn't have us relying on Apple to solve this kind of problem for us... because they can't... as any hole a software update may fill will be followed by another hole.
To "security is a state of mind", I completely agree. There is some false sense of security that some corporation somewhere is going to completely protect us from the exploits of the bad guys or there is the actual security we can feel by knowing that we're not really storing anything we consider personal state secrets on our mobile devices. Both of those are states of mind... one built on naive hope at best, the other built on certainty. Choose for yourself which state of mind you most prefer.
To "if you make it a chore, you will fail to adequately protect yourself," I'll somewhat buy that. However, I'll counter that if you rely on blind faith in some corporation- any corporation- to protect you from all security exploits, you are failing to protect yourself at least as poorly. This is not the first time mobile devices have been hacked and it won't be the last. Proceed with caution... or proceed with certainty. The difference between the two can be as simple as making a personal choice here... or not.
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