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'GrayKey' iPhone Unlocking Box Used by Law Enforcement Shown Off in Photos
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One way would be adding touch as another verification condition. That way, unless passcode is physically entered through screen, one wrong guess would permanently erase the device and lock the phone indefinitely. This should at least stop such boxes from working.
Before the iPhone, State Troopers had a handy little box that could explore and copy the entire contents of just about any flip-phone on the market. I saw one demonstrated on a ride-along at a traffic stop looking for DUI's. I was amazed at the technology of the thing, that it all existed in one tidy package. They could pull up your data from your phone while it was still in your purse. It was pretty amazing.
Their attitude was hey, the plebs aren't objecting (yeah, because they don't know) to our reading their filelists and messages, so until they tell us to stop, what they don't know doesn't hurt em. And, if we're able to stand wayyy over here, and they're keeping their data on a thing that broadcasts it wayyy over here, then it's them making their data public, and us accessing it is a reasonable search, and fair game. A pretty egregious abuse of the trashed 4th amendment, but those in power didn't and still don't give a damn about any pesky 200 year old rights.
Having to take possession of the device, and do all this, can't be considered a reasonable search of public information, & would require a court-ordered search, or it's just escalating the arms race between Citizens and LEO's begging for retaliation. Attempting to use this on an actual terst would be pointless, as any terrorist uses burners to begin with, not iPhones full of useful info. And blah blah blah.
Their attitude was hey, the plebs aren't objecting (yeah, because they don't know) to our reading their filelists and messages, so until they tell us to stop, what they don't know doesn't hurt em. And, if we're able to stand wayyy over here, and they're keeping their data on a thing that broadcasts it wayyy over here, then it's them making their data public, and us accessing it is a reasonable search, and fair game. A pretty egregious abuse of the trashed 4th amendment, but those in power didn't and still don't give a damn about any pesky 200 year old rights.
Having to take possession of the device, and do all this, can't be considered a reasonable search of public information, & would require a court-ordered search, or it's just escalating the arms race between Citizens and LEO's begging for retaliation. Attempting to use this on an actual terst would be pointless, as any terrorist uses burners to begin with, not iPhones full of useful info. And blah blah blah.
“giving thieves the ability to unlock and resell stolen phones”
I’d say that gives the average iPhone owner reason to worry.
I honestly encourage any of you who believe that LEO should have access to all devices to please vote for representatives who campaign for mandatory backdoors to be enforced for tech companies. Let them do this type of thing in the light of day.
Then you can feel safe that Sherrif Joe can catch them Bad Hombres while those of us who know better use better encryption.
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Then you can feel safe that Sherrif Joe can catch them Bad Hombres while those of us who know better use better encryption.
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This is the politics section. Your logic has no place here
No could fall into wrong hands, will definitely fall into wrong hands, be they criminal or law enforcement ignoring 4th amendment protections.
It is only a matter of time.
And what is all this of the FBI and DOJ making a big show out of “going dark” when we all know the first addresses the GreyKey folks would have gone to was that of the FBI and DOJ?
It is only a matter of time.
And what is all this of the FBI and DOJ making a big show out of “going dark” when we all know the first addresses the GreyKey folks would have gone to was that of the FBI and DOJ?
It’s not using a conventional way of getting into an iPhone. Number of attempts is irrelevant.
My suspicion is that the hacker broke the Apple's rule of delayed password entry after five or ten tries. Remember that was what FBI was demanding from Apple after the terrorist attack in California. Apple has the ability to engineer this feature to be enabled or disabled, or alter the time interval. For some unknown bugs, it might be compromised and used the hacker.
completely useless against passwords. this thing is an absolute joke and complete waste of money. you think anybody thats trying to hide anything on their phone is going to use a 4 digit passcode?
The 4th is what applies to divulging what you know, ie passcodes, to prevent unreasonable search and seizure. The 5th applies against testifying against ones self.
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There are many stupid folks out there, so yes, a subset exists that would do and think that. Of course the smarter and better prepared criminals would use better methods to the extent they have the means and access.
The manufacturer can require purchases to be Law Enforcement Officers. There are already processes in place to control the sale of certain items to LEO (e.g. fully automatic firearms, noise suppressors, etc...) and the same approach could be taken here that would prevent Apple from just ordering one off of Amazon and reverse engineering it. To the contrary, a criminal will have no problem paying someone to walk out of a police station with one of these, Apple will not do that for legal and ethical reasons.
Cake eaten and had.
Not saying it’s impossible, but it’s not going to be easy walking away with one of these from a police station. And then hoping they didn’t buy a geofenced version which won’t work outside the police station.
And even if someone gets one, how does that affect the hundreds of millions of iPhone users?
In short, people have nothing to worry about. Security is always cat & mouse with someone like Apple on one side and hackers on the other constantly plugging security holes or looking for new ones. For the rest of us it means we get to use some pretty secure devices.
if they haven't considered that in the design then they are going to go out of business real fast
Apple just bought GrayKey - problem solved. Everyone can ensure their "special" photos are safe once again.
Huh? This drives Apple to be more secure from which you benefit.
Firearms are stolen from police every year, what makes you think these couldn’t be targeted too?
Source: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-police-weapons-stolen-20171106-story.html
[doublepost=1521159540][/doublepost]Of course it’ll get patched. Think of it this way, if all Apple employees have iPhones it confidential information then it’s in Apples best interest to keep the device locked down.
The joke flew over your head. It’s ok. We can’t all be the brightest bulbs. lol
Clearly this device is not a trial and error device using brute force on passcode entries. The exact mechanism is yet to be understood and I don't think the company nor any buyer would care to disclose that information.