Yeah. But that's probably because Americans traditionally don't care a crap about the environment. You are about 20 to 30 years behind Europe when it comes to the protection of the environment and call activists "hippies".
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Greenpeace Activists Protest at Apple's Irish Offices over Data Center Energy Use
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Yeah. But that's probably because Americans traditionally don't care a crap about the environment. You are about 20 to 30 years behind Europe when it comes to the protection of the environment and call activists "hippies".
Greenpeace is a joke. They are just looking for attention. The fact that Apple responded to them at all disappoints me. The fact that this site promoted their ridiculousness by giving them attention disappoints me too.
Aside from all of that, the fact that they pick a company that is building a massive solar energy farm to power their data center as the target of their protest shows how illogical and ridiculous they really are. As someone else said, "cloud" is inherently green because its transferring what was running on thousands of individual computers and servers into one big consolidated farm. It is very much like mass transit.
Greenpeace = Idiots looking for attention
Aside from all of that, the fact that they pick a company that is building a massive solar energy farm to power their data center as the target of their protest shows how illogical and ridiculous they really are. As someone else said, "cloud" is inherently green because its transferring what was running on thousands of individual computers and servers into one big consolidated farm. It is very much like mass transit.
Greenpeace = Idiots looking for attention
Greenpeace sold out their credibility a long ago.
Unfortunately, I think this makes it so they do more harm to the environment that than good: by muddying the waters through misinformation and distortion they make it harder to focus on important and legitimate environmental problems. It's hard for the legitimate environmental organizations to get any attention with Greenpeace in the way.
A long time ago I think they decided to maximize short-term fundraising over environmental imapact. To that end, they focus on grabbing attention whether, or not it makes sense. Apple bashing is a good way to grab some of the attention people focus on Apple.
Greenpeace is a fundraising organization that uses concern for the environment as a fundraising mechanism rather than an environmental organization that fundraises in order to improve the environment.
Unfortunately, I think this makes it so they do more harm to the environment that than good: by muddying the waters through misinformation and distortion they make it harder to focus on important and legitimate environmental problems. It's hard for the legitimate environmental organizations to get any attention with Greenpeace in the way.
A long time ago I think they decided to maximize short-term fundraising over environmental imapact. To that end, they focus on grabbing attention whether, or not it makes sense. Apple bashing is a good way to grab some of the attention people focus on Apple.
Greenpeace is a fundraising organization that uses concern for the environment as a fundraising mechanism rather than an environmental organization that fundraises in order to improve the environment.
there are companies way more harmful to the environment than Apple, but hey, still good to make Apple take more responsibility on that end, too.
Good on the protesters for that, best while at it they should also start protesting against Apple gluing the parts of the iOS devices together so its not just extremely cumbersome to replace any part but also leads to most devices probably never getting recycled.
Good on the protesters for that, best while at it they should also start protesting against Apple gluing the parts of the iOS devices together so its not just extremely cumbersome to replace any part but also leads to most devices probably never getting recycled.
Summarized version of this protest:
GP: Apple sucks and uses 100 megawatts of energy at their data center! And it's poopy energy! And they're building a second facility in Oregon that's going to be just as poopy!
Apple: Umm, no. We use 20 megawatts, and 60% of that is provided by renewable resources that we built ourselves like solar panels. Our Oregon facility is going to be powered by 100% renewable resources. Dude, Oregon itself is largely powered by renewable resources like Hydro power plants. What are you smoking?
GP: Umm...well... [puts fingers in ears] La la la! You're probably lying so I'm going to continue rallying up ignorant people!
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GP: Apple sucks and uses 100 megawatts of energy at their data center! And it's poopy energy! And they're building a second facility in Oregon that's going to be just as poopy!
Apple: Umm, no. We use 20 megawatts, and 60% of that is provided by renewable resources that we built ourselves like solar panels. Our Oregon facility is going to be powered by 100% renewable resources. Dude, Oregon itself is largely powered by renewable resources like Hydro power plants. What are you smoking?
GP: Umm...well... [puts fingers in ears] La la la! You're probably lying so I'm going to continue rallying up ignorant people!
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Greenpeace are a bunch of idiots.
Greenpeace are eco-terrorist not activists.
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Activists are one thing, but these people are little more than terrorists without the... you know... violence. Everything else is right on the money.
The energy usage by Apple is high but its products save energy usage in other areas. I use my computer to buy and sell second hand goods, talk to people all over the world, read ebooks, and remove the need for buying cds & dvds. These all save or use less energy then other traditional methods. Computers and the internet drive down carbon footprints, that is the true story. Run the internet in a green manor and it will save more lives than Greenpeace.
Agreed. Before you just denounce something have some hard facts to back up your claims.
These granola munching hippies need to take an organic chill pill. Apple is one of the "greenest" tech companies in the world.
I guess I am not sure what Apple is misleading here. If they say the datacenter will run on 60% renewable, wouldn't that assume 40% coal, etc?? And I don't think Apple is lying about power usage for datacenter. If they say it's 20, then it's 20, I just don't see Apple lying about something so frivolous.
If the people at Greenpeace would do some real research, they would find that the planet itself produces more CO2 than us humans. The CO2 content in the atmosphere is about .04%. Yes, ".04%". For those of us in our 70's and 80's, remember that scientists back in the 60's and 70's were predicting a new Ice Age if we did not reduce the "carbon" in our atmosphere. Now it's global warming. Will the so called "scientists" make up their minds. Do your own research. Do not believe scientists and politicians.
how about going after the source!! the coal burning power plants and mines? probably because power plant workers and miners would kick their butts!!!
Actually, they're pretty straightforward about it. In areas where electricity is generated by coal or nuclear, doing anything that consumes electricity at all is EVVVVIILLL and starting a business there is BAAADDDD and proves you want everyone to DIEEEE. (Oh, what about the people who live there, who can use the jobs and need the services. Don't know, don't care, they should've thought about that when they decided to live there.)
They were interviewed on Irish radio today.
Judging by the accents alone, and considering I went to public school in the UK. The two protestors sounded like a pair of upper class privileged English toff's, that obviously didn't have to live in the real world because Mommy & PaPa were footing the bill for their 'lifestyle' choice of cr@ping on everyone else....
How much fossil fuels did their journey to Ireland kick out into the atmosphere ???
Judging by the accents alone, and considering I went to public school in the UK. The two protestors sounded like a pair of upper class privileged English toff's, that obviously didn't have to live in the real world because Mommy & PaPa were footing the bill for their 'lifestyle' choice of cr@ping on everyone else....
How much fossil fuels did their journey to Ireland kick out into the atmosphere ???
Greenpeace has lost
much of its mojo from its heyday.
I would not be surprised at all to learn that this was actually a tactical marketing ploy to steal headlines...i.e. they knowingly overstated Apple's usage amounts because they knew they'd get more press that way.
It has been a long time since they have much much of an impact in the world's green policies now that most have been awakened to the need for "green" environmental efforts.
much of its mojo from its heyday.
I would not be surprised at all to learn that this was actually a tactical marketing ploy to steal headlines...i.e. they knowingly overstated Apple's usage amounts because they knew they'd get more press that way.
It has been a long time since they have much much of an impact in the world's green policies now that most have been awakened to the need for "green" environmental efforts.
Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon et. al. should get together and commission an eco-audit of greenpeace. Now that would make interesting reading 
Attention whores
Shouldn't they be doing something productive, like reducing their carbon footprint by not breathing?
Shouldn't they be doing something productive, like reducing their carbon footprint by not breathing?