Greenpeace Criticizes Apple's 'Daisy' Recycling Robot, Says Focus Should be on 'Repairable and Upgradeable Product Design'

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    As part of its 2018 environmental report, Apple today unveiled the latest iteration of its recycling robot, named Daisy. Daisy is an upgraded version of Liam, the recycling robot Apple debuted in 2016. Daisy is smaller, faster, and more efficient than Liam, able to disassemble 200 iPhones per hour and obtain their component parts for recycling.

    In response to Apple's environmental report and details about the new robot, Greenpeace has released a statement suggesting Apple's focus should be on product longevity rather than recycling robots.

    Daisy, Apple's newest recycling robot.​

    In a statement, Greenpeace Senior analyst Gary Cook said Apple needs to work on product designs that better accommodate upgrades and repairs, allowing for devices to be used for a longer period of time. Cook says customers clearly want to keep their devices for longer, citing demand for battery replacements under Apple's discounted battery program.
    Greenpeace often champions device repairability and longevity, especially in regard to Apple products. Last summer, for example, Greenpeace teamed up with iFixit to rate the repairability of Apple devices, accusing Apple of shortening device lifespan with difficult, proprietary repair processes and components, ultimately leading to more electronic waste.

    For its part, Apple in its environmental report says that device durability and longevity is one of its goals, citing its efforts to provide parts and repairs for five years after a product is no longer manufactured. "When products can be used longer, fewer resources need to be extracted from the earth to make new ones," reads the report.

    While Greenpeace criticized Apple's lack of focus on repairability, it did laud Apple's efforts to cut down on greenhouse gas emissions in comparison to Apple competitors. Samsung, for example, operates on 1 percent renewable energy, a sharp contrast to Apple's operations that now run on 100 percent renewable energy.
    Greenpeace regularly gives Apple high marks for the company's dedication to environmental improvements, which is close to unparalleled in the tech world. Apple received a B- in Greenpeace's latest Guide to Greener Electronics, beating out Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Sony, Samsung, Lenovo, Huawei, HP, LG, and more.

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  2. OldSchoolMacGuy Suspended


    Jul 10, 2008
    Nothing is ever good enough for Greenpeace. They criticize everyone.
  3. Amazing Iceman macrumors 68040

    Amazing Iceman

    Nov 8, 2008
    Florida, U.S.A.
    They must be Green with envy, having no Peace.
  4. itsmilo macrumors 68020


    Sep 15, 2016
    Just like my mum
  5. miniroll32, Apr 19, 2018
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2018

    miniroll32 macrumors 65816


    Mar 28, 2010
    I think what Greenpeace are trying to hint at is the value of Daisy in the long run.

    Old devices are either passed down or sold on, and the ones that are broken are used for repairs or thrown away. It must surely be a minority that would actually think to themselves “Hmm... I’ll send this to Apple to recycle!”

    Conversely, if the phones were easier to repair, more people would be inclined to do it themselves, thus (without realisation) helping the environment.
  6. PotatoLeekSoup macrumors regular

    May 10, 2015
    Greenpeace lives in fantasyland. Apple goes 100% non-fossil fuels and creates a means for efficient and minimal waste recycling. Still not good enough. Like a whining child.
  7. Count Blah macrumors 68040

    Count Blah

    Jan 6, 2004
    US of A
    But that doesn’t make as much $$$ as glued in components and high priced upgrades
  8. BoulderAdonis macrumors regular


    Apr 30, 2012
    Palo Alto, CA
    No matter how big the loop - at some point it's still going to be best to **close** it. :rolleyes:
  9. e1me5 macrumors 6502


    Jun 11, 2013
    Well I keep my Apple devices for a minimum of 5 years. Isn’t this enough?
  10. vertical smile macrumors 68040

    vertical smile

    Sep 23, 2014
    I see both sides.

    It make sense for Greenpeace to want see products longevity increased. Many iPhone users would like to see this too.

    Apple makes a robot to decreased the waste of old iPhones, but a significant increase in iPhone longevity may have a decrease of their revenue.
  11. WWPD macrumors regular


    Aug 21, 2015
    Ten Forward
  12. Glideslope macrumors 603


    Dec 7, 2007
    A quiet place in NY.
    Isn't Greenpeace supposed to be stopping Seal Culling? :apple:
  13. chrono1081 macrumors 604


    Jan 26, 2008
    Isla Nublar
    Not to sound like a jerk but having everything "upgradable" and "repairable" is utterly unrealistic. Electronics get smaller, faster, higher density, and thus, non-user repairable. Imagine if thumb drives were required to be user repairable, they'd be enormous. Or same goes for storage, we wouldn't have flash drives.

    Technology evolves.
  14. Kabeyun macrumors 68020


    Mar 27, 2004
    Eastern USA
    The Greenpeace whiners remind me of the MacRumors whiners: complaining about positive steps if they’re not their personally preferred positive step.
  15. raghu8912 macrumors 6502

    Dec 5, 2016
    San Jose
    Reduce the number of breaths/min, breathing releases Carbon Monoxide.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 19, 2018 ---
    iPhone already has the longest life compared to any other mobile devices.
    Green peace should focus on companies that don't update Software to intentionally reduce the life of the product.
  16. Santabean2000 macrumors 68000


    Nov 20, 2007
    Can't believe the negativity here towards Green Peace.

    They are 100% correct. Recycling is only the best of the worst options.

    Emphasis on reducing ALWAYS trumps recycling.
  17. 69Mustang macrumors 604


    Jan 7, 2014
    In between a rock and a hard place
    While I agree with your premise, your examples need work. You could actually use items that were 1. at one time more repairable and 2. benefit greatly from the evolution of smaller, faster, higher density tech that negates some of the repairability. Our phones are a perfect example. Tablets are another. Flash/thumb drives were never in the repairability realm.
  18. H3LL5P4WN macrumors 68020


    Jun 19, 2010
    Pittsburgh PA
    I'm all for preserving and bolstering the environment.

    But I also don't want some crappy android-like phone with removable backs and lots of places for water to ingress. Upgradable? Get a clue.
  19. IPPlanMan macrumors 6502

    Dec 25, 2009
    Nothing will ever be good enough for Greenpeace because that would render it irrelevant and dry up its fundraising.

    Greenpeace is all about perpetuating the problem to stay relevant or the inadequacy of the solution to stay relevant. It’s not about solving the problem.
  20. apolloa macrumors G4

    Oct 21, 2008
    Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
    Bingo, Apple just loves the throw away though $1000 devices as it makes massive profits from it. We should be grateful the iPhone still has screws in the bottom!
  21. mrzz Suspended

    Mar 25, 2017
    they are more than correct in their statement.
  22. OldSchoolMacGuy Suspended


    Jul 10, 2008
    Apple could do like other manufacturers and just let them go into landfills. At least they're doing something but Greenpeace can't even recognize that.

    Instead, they use Apple's notoriety to attach them and gain publicity for themselves.
  23. vertical smile macrumors 68040

    vertical smile

    Sep 23, 2014
    I don't disagree.
    Although, and argument could be made that Apple has a history of introducing updates that slowdown devices and making them less usable.
  24. cmichaelb macrumors 68020


    Aug 6, 2008
    Aren't they supposed to be busy going after Japanese whalers? This is why we can't have nice things, someone always bitches.
  25. Jyby macrumors 6502a

    May 31, 2011
    I think GreenPeace misses the point... Also other products live just as long as Apple products... 3 years is usually the length of time people keep a phone. It's not just apple.

    And who upgrades phones and windows laptops? Recycling solves so many issues.
  26. Kaibelf Suspended


    Apr 29, 2009
    Silicon Valley, CA
    Because massive numbers of people are throwing away iPhone X units less than a year after they even hit the market? Oh I see, you also want to complain about the pricing of premium items as well as designs that you want but can’t get from other vendors and then wrap it all up into a histrionic burrito.

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