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[Rustus Maximus]

Originally posted by ColdZero
Do you think in the PC world with its different vendors Apple would really be able to sell a 9 month old laptop for at the most...$400 less than it started with?

I thought Apple WAS in the PC world, that IS who they compete against...and quoting from Apple's financial report yesterday...

190,000 iBooks shipped (up 12%)

161,000 PowerBooks shipped (up 71%)

Portables accounted for 46% of Macs sold

3.1 million people visited stores

50% of customers buying Mac systems at Apple Stores did not currently own a Mac

Education shipments up 5% from year ago quarter

Portables accounted for 47% of education sales

So to answer your question...yes, I think they would be able to sell it. ...but I suppose all those people are suckers...

Originally posted by ColdZero
Seeing that XP stands for eXPeriance and OS X stands for a number, no I don't think they did.

The Windows Experience...Windows flaw No. 1469007667...(is there a smiley for a soft chuckle?)

 

[Lord Bodak]

Originally posted by ColdZero
I guess not.

I run Word, Access, Dreamweaver, Flash, Photoshop, Illustrator, Director, Visual Studio, not to mention any games I play and other random apps. Unless I do something stupid like start killing of random processes in the task manager, XP does not crash on me. I'd send you a pic of my uptime, but I just rebooted yesterday because I installed the new ATI Catalyst 3.6 drivers.

Oh and if you're running XP on some $100 computer that is held together with a paperclip, don't complain if XP crashes.

It's an Acer 1.8 GHz P4, 256MB of RAM (I'd like more, blame the IT folks). And if I shouldn't be using a computer, feel free to notify the University that gave me a Computer Engineering degree.

 

[ColdZero]

CE thats nice, you can't get a GUI OS to run stable though. I think its a problem between the keyboard and chair. Or maybe that Acer POS you're using.

 

[Websnapx2]

Originally posted by Lord Bodak
It's an Acer 1.8 GHz P4, 256MB of RAM (I'd like more, blame the IT folks). And if I shouldn't be using a computer, feel free to notify the University that gave me a Computer Engineering degree.

hee hee, that's funny. I run betas, trial, sharewhare on my g4 400 tower no crashes in 10.2.6 and it is always on and I'm always putting it through he ringer. I switched 7 years ago and have needed to use PC's at work every once and a while. Seeing windows give me a twitch.

 

[ColdZero]

Compared to Dells sales figures:
Dells Numbers

Dell by themselves a signle vendor has 3x the market share of an entire platform. As crappy as people may say dells are, they know how to sell a computer. Specials every week, rebates, discounts, free upgrades. You may not like their platform, but they do make them fly off the shelves.

 

[billyboy]

Originally posted by ColdZero
Compared to Dells sales figures:
Dells Numbers

As crappy as people may say dells are, they know how to sell a computer. Specials every week, rebates, discounts, free upgrades. You may not like their platform, but they do make them fly off the shelves.

Sounds like exactly what I think is wrong with the consumer world we live in. If people spent less time and money buying into short term half assed crap and actually demanded the best that very clever people in the computer world can produce, the world and computer users would be a lot better off. I think Apple´s quality and user friendly pholosophy is absolutely spot on and although they have thus far not been able to make mega billions doing things right, when we eventually get to the Star Trek society I am sure Apple will be there and Dell won´t.

 

[Rustus Maximus]

Originally posted by ColdZero
Compared to Dells sales figures:
Dells Numbers

Dell by themselves a signle vendor has 3x the market share of an entire platform. As crappy as people may say dells are, they know how to sell a computer. Specials every week, rebates, discounts, free upgrades. You may not like their platform, but they do make them fly off the shelves.

Who brought up Dell? You made a glib comment about, 'Who would buy Apple's crap?' So I showed you their figures...and apparently alot of people would.

Originally posted by ColdZero
CE thats nice, you can't get a GUI OS to run stable though. I think its a problem between the keyboard and chair. Or maybe that Acer POS you're using.

It's dissapointing but I often find that when some people can no longer defend their position with reasonable facts they resort to insults. Too bad.

Anyway...if you are running all those programs at the same time - while performing functions like CD burning, Photoshop rendering, saving, or file copying, downloading etc. etc. - in Windows eXPerience without choking or crashing then you are in the minority brother, let me tell you.

As it is...we will have to agree to disagree and leave it at that...this thread has become...tiring.

 

[Brother Mugga]

In the words of Mr. MacEnroe..."You cannot be..."

Originally posted by ColdZero
If somebody is crashing XP, and I'm talking about word and IE and stuff like that not writing software using beta software etc.., then either you haven't used it and are making stuff up or you shouldn't be using a computer.

Fun though observing this thread has been, I'm afraid I simply can't let such a ludicrous comment zip past without wading in with a good old rant...

I don't own a Mac (yet), so I'm hardly likely to have been infected with the zealot worldview. I use XP Pro on a 1.3Gig Athlon, WD drive, ASUS motherboard etc etc (i.e. fairly nice stuff). Made by Evesham, one of the better British companies.

I use the PC for: Word, email, surfing, playing CDs, storing digital photos.

That's it.

No dodgy downloads. No 'Cover CD' trials and demos (etc.). No programming (yeah right...do any of you lot even remember machine code and structured basic...?). Nothing complicated.

I had intended to use it for music and graphics stuff. But I daren't. Because it crashes. A great deal. Often when only using Word (2002).

I'm sure that XP is far more stable than previous incarnations of Windows (my previous machine ran ME and was such a catastrophe that it got sent back) and that many people are extremely happy with it (I'm not being sarcastic here, by the way). But it hasn't worked out for me. I can only go on what I see...and my eXperience (oooh, see what I did there?) has been appalling.

I've been using computers since 1981-2(? = IBM 3032). I'm a physicist. I have a degree and a masters (from poncy Cambridge) and a masters and a (nearly complete...well, that's what I tell my supervisor) D.Phil (from poncy Oxford).

So - working on the assmption that your comments were sincere rather than merely inflammatory (and good effort if they were, mate; that's the spirit) - should I not be using a computer?

I could get about a dozen of my mates (some of them comsci graduates) to produce similar stories if you want?

[With regards to the experience of using OS X, I cannot comment with any real authority.]


Cheers

Brother Mugga

PS: And, just to throw futher fuel on the fire, the machine previous to the previous one was, in fact, a Dell Optiplex (running Windows 95)...which worked almost immaculately for 4 years.

Go figure, as I believe they say in the U.S.?

PPS: Then again, I could (as a theoretician) simply be suffering from my own scaled down version of the Pauli effect w.r.t. all things technological....

 

[Lord Bodak]

Originally posted by ColdZero
CE thats nice, you can't get a GUI OS to run stable though. I think its a problem between the keyboard and chair. Or maybe that Acer POS you're using.

My GUI OS at home (Linux) runs fine for months on end without being rebooted.

A "GUI OS" isn't guaranteed to be stable. In general, a Unix based OS is.

And as a relatively new member, I must say that it's really fun to be told that I am stupid because I can't make Windows stable.

 

[Brother Mugga]

You ain't seen nothin' yet...b-b-b-baby...

And as a relatively new member, I must say that it's really fun to be told that I am stupid because I can't make Windows stable.

My Dear Lord Bodak,

Let me assure you that I am able to furnish you with a whole raft of ludicrous insults at the merest tipping (let alone dropping) of a hat, all of which have been kindly (and enthusiastically) donated by any number of 'posters' over the last few months (not so much on this site...Rower munches them if they get too lairy, bless 'im...).

Just let me know how many you need and I'll ship 'em forthwith (a word I've long yearned to use in polite conversation...).

If you want them to flourish, however, you'll have to be very carefull about their husbandry; they're not exactly phototropic...

Cheers

Brother Mugga

 

[Rower_CPU]

Ah now, let's not be instigatin' any flamewars or some such...

I think it's time to let this thread slip into oblivion.