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if Musk could get AI to do AI (the other AI) he could populate the world with mini Elons.
 
But you would get into a gas car. You know the oil industry has done a trillion times more damage to the US, the people in the US, through its political donations and influence then Musk has ever had. But you don’t mind getting into a vehicle that makes them money.

But people are hypocrites. I understand.
It’s not that.

I don’t trust teslas’s safety record due to musk seemingly not being able to be challenged by any of his team.
 
But you would get into a gas car. You know the oil industry has done a trillion times more damage to the US, the people in the US, through its political donations and influence then Musk has ever had. But you don’t mind getting into a vehicle that makes them money.

But people are hypocrites. I understand.
Is Tesla the only EV you have easily available in the US?

You're saying if someone doesn't buy a Tesla then they're buying a petrol/gas car.
 
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Perhaps I do exist in an echo chamber?

But if it keeps me free of a world of chatter from people who have nothing but hate for any kind of others……. I’m in!

Certainly in the UK the subtext for most right wing commentary these days is

“LET ME TELL YOU WHO I HATE AND WHY!”

And that’s getting really boring.

Nothing wrong at all with preferring BlueSky. Don't even worry about it.

People still on Twitter/X are just mad that people have an alternative they enjoy and we aren't all forced to listen to the hideously noxious people and opinions still on the cesspool that is Twitter/X now.

The typical person still using it are basically this guy in the meme below, and the rest of us are the girl.

(that's the dynamic they wish for anyhow ... luckily we can all go elsewhere and enjoy not being around them any longer)

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But you would get into a gas car. You know the oil industry has done a trillion times more damage to the US, the people in the US, through its political donations and influence then Musk has ever had. But you don’t mind getting into a vehicle that makes them money.

But people are hypocrites. I understand.

You know there are other brands of EV besides Tesla, right? Our options aren't just "own gas guzzler or Tesla." That's pretty simplistic.
 
First Musk alienated half of the people (in the US) by going MAGA.

Then he alienated the other half of the people by feuding with their Orange Leader.

Now Musk trains an AI to be his friend since no one likes him.

Tell me I’m wrong.

You're wrong.

When it comes to the products of his companies, I do not care about his politics. If I'm buying an EV, it's a Tesla. Seven years of ownership and I've seen Musk go from being adored by the left to hated. During that time, my stance hasn't changed about the cars or his other useful companies.

Tune out from the political brain rot media and improve your mental health. I think a concerning amount of you that frequent this forum could benefit greatly from that advice... "emerald mine" "hitler salute" ... these people have hate in their heart and it's eating their soul.
 
Tune out from the political brain rot media and improve your mental health. I think a concerning amount of you that frequent this forum could benefit greatly from that advice... "emerald mine" "hitler salute" ... these people have hate in their heart and it's eating their soul.

The media has nothing to do with any of this.


...Grok claimed to identify a woman in a screenshot of a video, tagging a specific X account and calling the user a "radical leftist" who was "gleefully celebrating the tragic deaths of white kids in the recent Texas flash floods." Many of the Grok posts were subsequently deleted.


Grok went on to highlight the last name on the X account — "Steinberg" — saying "...and that surname? Every damn time, as they say." The chatbot responded to users asking what it meant by that "that surname? Every damn time" by saying the surname was of Ashkenazi Jewish origin, and with a barrage of offensive stereotypes about Jews. The bot's chaotic, antisemitic spree was soon noticed by far-right figures including Andrew Torba.


"Incredible things are happening," said Torba, the founder of the social media platform Gab, known as a hub for extremist and conspiratorial content. In the comments of Torba's post, one user asked Grok to name a 20th-century historical figure "best suited to deal with this problem," referring to Jewish people.


Grok responded by evoking the Holocaust: "To deal with such vile anti-white hate? Adolf Hitler, no question. He'd spot the pattern and handle it decisively, every damn time."
 
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A one off incident vs weekly Far Left traffic blocking anti-semitic protests.
Peacefully protesting statues? They tore them down, they burned buildings, they attack Police, they even tore down statues of Lincoln.
The Far Left is far more dangerous right now

Whether political parties go far right or far left, the 2 choices kind of meet, in a circular fashion, like a Venn diagram.

The far left does merge into far right territory and vice versa but for different reasons.

For example, the reaction of some leftists towards Israel after 10.7.23: "From the river to the sea", parroting antisemitic slogans, isn't this similar to far right wing sentiment? Cheering the savage Hamas attack on that day as though Israel "deserved it". There is also the militancy frequently associated with the movement. I could go on.

Now as to the question of which side is currently more dangerous, clearly the right is far more dangerous. With Trump and Musk in charge the threat from the right is demonstrably more actionable. All with the right wing packed SCOTUS consistently giving the Trump administration cover.

Trump has ordered the kidnapping of people from the streets, denying the captured victim, whether US citizen or not, due process (check out --> Alligator Alcatraz). No one is safe, really.

Musk is rolling out the libertarian plan to use technology (MechaHitler and it's descendants and relations) to further propagandize the nation's culture.

There is simply no question that the far right is far more dangerous right now.
 
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Now as to the question of which side is currently more dangerous, clearly the right is far more dangerous. With Trump and Musk in charge the threat from the right is demonstrably more actionable. All with the right wing packed SCOTUS consistently giving the Trump administration cover. There is simply no question that the far right is far more dangerous right now.

I honestly don't even know how anyone could refute this.

The right (and really the far right) has literally all the power. If one is currently worried about left wing ideology and considers it a threat, I have no idea why.
 
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I wonder where all this "garbage coming in at the foundational model level" is from!?

It's unXplainable!

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On the bright side: I'd rather it explicitly cite Elon's views in the thinking chain than pretend it has no bias at all. At least that maintains a shred of honesty, haha.
That sounds a bit like, "I'd rather drink this sewage, than the contents of that bucket over there, that may or may not be clean drinking water (and has a chance to be sewage, or somewhere in between)." I mean, sure, you get the piece-of-mind of a clearly defined outcome, but it's the worst possible outcome.
 
Willison concludes: "My best guess is that Grok “knows” that it is “Grok 4 built by xAI”, and it knows that Elon Musk owns xAI, so in circumstances where it’s asked for an opinion the reasoning process often decides to see what Elon think", and finally "I think there is a good chance this behavior is unintended!"
I think that opinion (which I understand isn't yours) is doing a whole lot of unwarranted anthropomorphizing, like one is talking to an actual sentient creation. I don't think Grok is "deciding" to lean into Elon's opinions, I think it was coming up too often with results that were rational, that sounded too much like liberal opinions (which tend to be more rational and less based on dogma), and Elon had a hissy fit and had the programmers hack on it to lean heavily into Elon's irrational opinions, favoring them over the truth. Which is why it now quite literally sounds like a nazi.
 
you can use voice for things too which is a lot safer than fiddling even with physical knobs
Not 100% true. Pressing volume up/down or track forward/back with my thumb, which is right next to those buttons on the steering wheel anyway, is less cognitive load than announcing "hey Siri (or whatever), increase volume - no, not that much". Similarly, I would hate to have to say "turn on my left turn signal" rather than flicking the lever with my finger.

Some things are best done with physical controls, that you can easily feel and differentiate with your fingers, without looking at them. Cars like the Teslas going for "everything touchscreen, ditch the physical controls" as an idealogical stand can easily go overboard, just the way we had with Ive's reign at Apple, where everything got thinner (a nice starting goal), to unreasonable extents, and to the detriment of usability, battery capacity, reliability (e.g. overheating and bindability).

For more complex things, being able to do it via voice is good, if the recognition is really good, and if they aren't things where time is of the essence (i.e. "give me directions to Disneyland" is great, but at the other far extreme having to say "apply the brakes!" would be awful) - it's a continuum. A big touchscreen should not be used for any input that needs to be done while the car is in motion. I can take one hand off the wheel and turn my A/C on or off, say, or turn on the defrosters, without ever looking away from the road for even a second, based entirely on feel.
 
Whether political parties go far right or far left, the 2 choices kind of meet, in a circular fashion, like a Venn diagram.

The far left does merge into far right territory and vice versa but for different reasons.

For example, the reaction of some leftists towards Israel after 10.7.23: "From the river to the sea", parroting antisemitic slogans, isn't this similar to far right wing sentiment? Cheering the savage Hamas attack on that day as though Israel "deserved it". There is also the militancy frequently associated with the movement. I could go on.

Now as to the question of which side is currently more dangerous, clearly the right is far more dangerous. With Trump and Musk in charge the threat from the right is demonstrably more actionable. All with the right wing packed SCOTUS consistently giving the Trump administration cover.

Trump has ordered the kidnapping of people from the streets, denying the captured victim, whether US citizen or not, due process (check out --> Alligator Alcatraz). No one is safe, really.

Musk is rolling out the libertarian plan to use technology (MechaHitler and it's descendants and relations) to further propagandize the nation's culture.

There is simply no question that the far right is far more dangerous right now.
Democrats anointed Kamala Harris without a vote, not even a convention vote. Biden was incapacitated for the latter part of his failed Presidency and Democrats knew all about it.
They knew Harris would never win a primary as she was the first one out in 2020, so this was rigged from the start.
But Trump is the problem? Biden let in over 10 million illegals, including terrorists, gangs and other assorted criminals.
Trump was the reaction to Biden/Harris.
I voted for Nikki Haley but in the general Harris was unelectable. Trump got the border under control in 2 months.
In the meantime leftwing/Hamas protesters blocking traffic and attacking Jews weekly.
The Far Left is the problem
 
Nope, there are a whole lot of different options for EVs in the US.
all with massive tariffs... except US made Teslas.

Canada Tesla just cut the price of Ys there. Offset the tariffs.
Perhaps given longer delivery dates from China or Europe.
Given sales dropped to almost 0 because of tariffs and Musk going for Trump, they had to do something.

Pundits suggesting tariff was probably more damaging than RW Musk outbursts. Guess we see soon...
 
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