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Grok 4 'Truth-Seeking' AI Consults Musk's Stance on Sensitive Topics

My solution for this is: Don't use Grok.

I've tried most of the well-known AI, and I've never, and will never try or use Grok. I repeat not even try.

I use AI in a very careful way, and never to get facts, only to help me programme (and even that is tricky, most AI are super-confident but yet full of errors). For facts I never use AI.

No one should use AI for news or facts.
 
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One shouldn't use AI for news or facts full stop. That's not what it's good at, as it simply collates random info from the web.

I'm sure Grok is very good at some things - maybe more up-to-date info, for example.

Random (non-Grok) examples:

I asked OpenAI to list all the museums near me open on a Monday. It returned a beautiful piece of prose, suggesting not to travel far to a museum without getting a second opinion, and then proceeded to hallucinate a list of museums. Putting the same info just direct into Google sent me to an official website that had the correct list.

I asked Gemini for things to do around a city I was visiting. It did a decent job, but the best thing we ended up doing was a new attraction that opened a year ago that Gemini had no clue about.
 
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CarlJ said:
That sounds a bit like, "I'd rather drink this sewage, than the contents of that bucket over there, that may or may not be clean drinking water (and has a chance to be sewage, or somewhere in between)." I mean, sure, you get the piece-of-mind of a clearly defined outcome, but it's the worst possible outcome.
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It’s really not though. Information can be thoughtlessly ingested by people who don’t know any better, yes. Or it can be observed, challenged, sorted, and either thrown away or put to use, depending on its usefulness. Grok can a very useful tool. My point is that I’d rather it have this level of transparency in its processing than not.
 
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jooish said:
You're wrong.

When it comes to the products of his companies, I do not care about his politics. If I'm buying an EV, it's a Tesla. Seven years of ownership and I've seen Musk go from being adored by the left to hated. During that time, my stance hasn't changed about the cars or his other useful companies.

Tune out from the political brain rot media and improve your mental health. I think a concerning amount of you that frequent this forum could benefit greatly from that advice... "emerald mine" "hitler salute" ... these people have hate in their heart and it's eating their soul.
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Thanks Elon. I will think neutrally about you going forward.
 
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Installing GrokAI in all new Teslas moving forward seems like a very polarizing move and potentially a huge mistake.

The absolute last thing Tesla, as a brand, needs right now is anything that increases polarization around it.

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Musk is starting to get it.

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jooish said:
Tune out from the political brain rot media and improve your mental health. I think a concerning amount of you that frequent this forum could benefit greatly from that advice... "emerald mine" "hitler salute" ... these people have hate in their heart and it's eating their soul.
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The question isn't whether I hate people who give Nazi salutes. The question is why you don't.
 
tubular said:
Don't worry, if it's a party where jackasses laugh at Holocaust denial, I won't be there.
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YOU'RE THE BEST!!!! HAHAHAH YES!!!!! EVERYTHING IS PERFECT WHEN YOU'RE AROUND!!!! I LOVE BEING AROUND YOU YOU'RE THE BEST!!!!
 
madrag said:
I use AI in a very careful way, and never to get facts, only to help me programme (and even that is tricky, most AI are super-confident but yet full of errors). For facts I never use AI.
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adrianlondon said:
One shouldn't use AI for news or facts full stop. That's not what it's good at, as it simply collates random info from the web.
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Almost all of my AI usage is for coding... But very occasionally it can be useful for finding facts, even if I wouldn't use it to verify facts.
For example, recently I wanted to know a filming location for a TV show. I wasn't having luck with Google search. I asked ChatGPT*. It said that it was a house owned by a particular musician. Then I went back to Google, and searched for {musician}'s house, and was able to verify it was what I was looking for.

*Google search's built-in AI tool is consistently worse than ChatGPT, in my experience.
 
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The question isn't whether I hate people who give Nazi salutes. The question is why you don't.
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because without the legacy media brainwashing, it's obvious that it wasn't a NAZI salute.

The ADL and many others have publicly stated that Elon did not perform a NAZI salute... even Benjamin Netanyahu said Elon was being falsely smeared.

As a Jew, I find the need for the far left to call everything and everyone they don't like Nazi / Hitler to be disgusting. All it does eliminate any possible chance of me siding with you because it's clear to me that you are ideologically driven instead of logically.
 
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jooish said:
As a Jew
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As a Jew, I stopped caring what Bibi thinks about *anything* somewhere about twenty years ago.

And Greenblatt gets more right than wrong, but Elon's Nazi salute he got wrong.

As gets proven again and again every time Grok decides to spew out another dose of Holocaust denial and Elmo treats it as a feature.
 
The name chosen by Elon Musk for his x.AI, Grok, is a revelation in itself.

The word "grok" is an invention of the writer Robert A. Heinlein. It was coined for his science fiction novel "Stranger in a Strange Land" where he explores Mars and its inhabitants. Here is an excerpt from that novel which explains the term a bit:

Grok means "to understand", of course, but Dr. Mahmoud, who might be termed the leading Terran expert on Martians, explains that it also means, "to drink" and "a hundred other English words, words which we think of as antithetical concepts. 'Grok' means all of these. It means 'fear', it means 'love', it means 'hate' — proper hate, for by the Martian 'map' you cannot hate anything unless you grok it, understand it so thoroughly that you merge with it and it merges with you — then you can hate it. By hating yourself. But this implies that you love it, too, and cherish it and would not have it otherwise. Then you can hate — and (I think) Martian hate is an emotion so black that the nearest human equivalent could only be called mild distaste.
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Robert A. Heinlein in his younger years was socialist leaning but then became a right wing libertarian who preferred the company of fascists over "liberals and moderate conservatives". He espoused free love and open marriage, eugenics, the conquest of space (as seen in his novel Starship Troopers), and also had no issue with receiving government assistance. Many of these views seem to have also been embraced by Musk.

(see ---> How Robert Heinlein Went from Socialist to Right-Wing Libertarian)

The name Grok has a deep sophisticated origin and meaning, perhaps shedding some light on Elon Musk's social media philosophy.
 
Jetson said:
The name chosen by Elon Musk for his x.AI, Grok, is a revelation in itself.

The word "grok" is an invention of the writer Robert A. Heinlein. It was coined for his science fiction novel "Stranger in a Strange Land" where he explores Mars and its inhabitants. Here is an excerpt from that novel which explains the term a bit:



Robert A. Heinlein in his younger years was socialist leaning but then became a right wing libertarian who preferred the company of fascists over "liberals and moderate conservatives". He espoused free love and open marriage, eugenics, the conquest of space (as seen in his novel Starship Troopers), and also had no issue with receiving government assistance. Many of these views seem to have also been embraced by Musk.

(see ---> How Robert Heinlein Went from Socialist to Right-Wing Libertarian)

The name Grok has a deep sophisticated origin and meaning, perhaps shedding some light on Elon Musk's social media philosophy.
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I think this is bogus because Grok is such a socialized term particular among Computer Scientists, but if you want to continue down the rabbit hole I suggest you look up the origin of Musk’s first name.
 
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I think this is bogus because Grok is such a socialized term particular among Computer Scientists, but if you want to continue down the rabbit hole I suggest you look up the origin of Musk’s first name.
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Your quote of my post was incomplete. You left out the part containing a link to a Wikipedia article defining "grok" and also showing the later computer science connotations:

Grok means "to understand", of course, but Dr. Mahmoud, who might be termed the leading Terran expert on Martians, explains that it also means, "to drink" and "a hundred other English words, words which we think of as antithetical concepts....
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