Grr. Never realized about downloaded iTunes movies.

Bozley0621

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The cable and internet went out tonight, so I went to watch a movie I had downloaded from iTunes streaming from my laptop. However, I couldn't due to the fact that I had no internet. I never realized before that I had to have internet service to watch movies that I've downloaded. Why is this?

I was able to work around using airplay, but I don't think folks should have to do this.
 

chuffman15

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thats why apple makes soooooo many adapters to view stuff from all their devices.
i have the mini to hdmi form my macbook pro and i have the adapter that goes from my ipad2 to hdmi.
they're good to have when you take your devices out as well.
showing home movies during the holidays that made in imovie is easy with the adapters
hopefully you load up your computer with apps so next time this happens you can at least play games.
 

hafr

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The cable and internet went out tonight, so I went to watch a movie I had downloaded from iTunes streaming from my laptop. However, I couldn't due to the fact that I had no internet. I never realized before that I had to have internet service to watch movies that I've downloaded. Why is this?

I was able to work around using airplay, but I don't think folks should have to do this.
Because for home sharing, the client need to be verified by Apple. Had the same issue after a power out a few weeks ago and that's what Google told me...
 

weenie

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Because for home sharing, the client need to be verified by Apple...
Didn't realized this either before...

Huhmmm, not good to find out now that I have about 3 TB of movies/shows from iTunes. :cool:
 

hafr

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Didn't realized this either before...

Huhmmm, not good to find out now that I have about 3 TB of movies/shows from iTunes. :cool:
Install XBMC when the internet service is back on, that way you'll be safe for next time ;)
 

weenie

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Install XBMC when the internet service is back on, that way you'll be safe for next time ;)
Unless I am wrong, I don't think XBMC could stream iTunes media content from my Mini to ATV-2 (with or without Internet).
 

whooleytoo

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Because for home sharing, the client need to be verified by Apple. Had the same issue after a power out a few weeks ago and that's what Google told me...
On one occasion a few months ago, it seemed to be an outage with Apple's authentication servers. Does anyone know how often it authenticates? Once per session? Or less frequently?

I'm not very surprised by this, but I am pissed off at the idea that Apple can just turn off (or just stop maintaining) my home streaming solution whenever they like. Or that this authentication requirement means my home streaming solution is no better than a cloud solution if my ISP goes down.

:mad:
 

gnasher729

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On one occasion a few months ago, it seemed to be an outage with Apple's authentication servers. Does anyone know how often it authenticates? Once per session? Or less frequently?

I'm not very surprised by this, but I am pissed off at the idea that Apple can just turn off (or just stop maintaining) my home streaming solution whenever they like. Or that this authentication requirement means my home streaming solution is no better than a cloud solution if my ISP goes down.
Complain to the film studios. They don't allow anyone to sell you movies without DRM.
 

hafr

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On one occasion a few months ago, it seemed to be an outage with Apple's authentication servers. Does anyone know how often it authenticates? Once per session? Or less frequently?

I'm not very surprised by this, but I am pissed off at the idea that Apple can just turn off (or just stop maintaining) my home streaming solution whenever they like. Or that this authentication requirement means my home streaming solution is no better than a cloud solution if my ISP goes down.

:mad:
After the power out I had a working network at home, but no internet connection. Home Sharing wasn't working, but for some reason I decided to try to disable wifi on my phone and enter the Home Sharing password with 3G connection. Then it worked and I could watch movies on the iPhone via Home Sharing after having reenabled wifi so that the phone and the computer were on the same network.

It didn't work with the iPad though, because I have a wifi only iPad, so I figured I'd try and reset the Home Sharing in iTunes. Having disabled it, I wasn't able to reactivate it because iTunes needs an internet connection to activate Home Sharing...

I agree with you, it's absolute bullcrap that an internet connection is needed for Home Sharing, it shouldn't have to be connected to the Apple ID in this way.
 

whooleytoo

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Complain to the film studios. They don't allow anyone to sell you movies without DRM.
It's not just the movies which are affected though, it's Home Sharing itself. I was streaming music (non-DRM MP3s from eMusic.com) when Home Sharing stopped working. Tried turning HS off and on again but kept getting password errors even though my AppleID & password were correct. Other users noticed the same problem at the same time.

So even though I've never bought a movie through iTunes, my music home streaming solution depends on an Internet connection & Apple's servers. It would have been nice knowing that before making the ATV & iPad purchases.
 

sulliweb

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On one occasion a few months ago, it seemed to be an outage with Apple's authentication servers. Does anyone know how often it authenticates? Once per session? Or less frequently?

I'm not very surprised by this, but I am pissed off at the idea that Apple can just turn off (or just stop maintaining) my home streaming solution whenever they like. Or that this authentication requirement means my home streaming solution is no better than a cloud solution if my ISP goes down.

:mad:
That's pretty much exactly what it means. I was in the middle of watching content on my tv when the authentication servers went down. I had literally finished watch one iTunes TV show and tried to get another one started... no dice. It just sat there spinning. I've been a lot more nervous since then about my Apple TV. If the internet goes down, you're pretty much done.

And no, this isn't the movie studios... This isn't about DRM. This is about a device having to contact Apple every single time you try to watch content you purchased from their store. This is Apple, all Apple...

Way to go Apple... put your thumb down on legally purchased content... good job!! :rolleyes:
 

hafr

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That's pretty much exactly what it means. I was in the middle of watching content on my tv when the authentication servers went down. I had literally finished watch one iTunes TV show and tried to get another one started... no dice. It just sat there spinning. I've been a lot more nervous since then about my Apple TV. If the internet goes down, you're pretty much done.

And no, this isn't the movie studios... This isn't about DRM. This is about a device having to contact Apple every single time you try to watch content you purchased from their store. This is Apple, all Apple...

Way to go Apple... put your thumb down on legally purchased content... good job!! :rolleyes:
It's even worse, it would happen even if you're trying to watch a movie you ripped yourself. So not only iTunes bought stuff...
 

rayward

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Because for home sharing, the client need to be verified by Apple. Had the same issue after a power out a few weeks ago and that's what Google told me...
One more (previously unknown) reason why I'm reluctant to trade up to ATV2.
 

hafr

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One more (previously unknown) reason why I'm reluctant to trade up to ATV2.
Don't be. Just jailbreak it and don't use Home Sharing :) If you're just using it for the TV, then XBMC is a good option, and if you want to use it for other devices you can use Plex :)

Don't let iTunes keep you from a good piece of hardware ;)
 

Phil22

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Would this affect me with an apple tv2?

All of my films are from DVD rips so no DRM.

Cheers
 

rayward

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Don't be. Just jailbreak it and don't use Home Sharing :) If you're just using it for the TV, then XBMC is a good option, and if you want to use it for other devices you can use Plex :)

Don't let iTunes keep you from a good piece of hardware ;)

I have only 1st gen. units, which don't require Home Sharing to stream local content from my Mac.

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Would this affect me with an apple tv2?

All of my films are from DVD rips so no DRM.

Cheers
I think it's only ATV2's that are affected. If iTunes has no internet connection, Home Sharing won't work.
 

hafr

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I have only 1st gen. units, which don't require Home Sharing to stream local content from my Mac.

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I think it's only ATV2's that are affected. If iTunes has no internet connection, Home Sharing won't work.
iTunes only need internet connection to activate home sharing when you enter your Apple ID the first time, after that it doesn't need an internet connection. On the other hand, it seems like the devices need to be "re-activated" over and over ever so often.

As I said before, home sharing worked for me with no internet connection for iTunes after having entered my Apple ID on my iPhone using the 3G internet connection and then rejoining the wifi network. But home sharing was impossible on the iPad and the ATV2 until the internet service was back up.
 

gnasher729

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It's not just the movies which are affected though, it's Home Sharing itself. I was streaming music (non-DRM MP3s from eMusic.com) when Home Sharing stopped working. Tried turning HS off and on again but kept getting password errors even though my AppleID & password were correct. Other users noticed the same problem at the same time.

So even though I've never bought a movie through iTunes, my music home streaming solution depends on an Internet connection & Apple's servers. It would have been nice knowing that before making the ATV & iPad purchases.
www.apple.com/feedback

I'd call that a bug. Two devices should be able to figure out that they are using _the same_ AppleID and password without access to a server. And I checked this seems to be _only_ about Home Sharing and Apple TV; a purchased movie plays just fine on the Mac where it is stored without an internet connection.
 

hafr

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www.apple.com/feedback

I'd call that a bug. Two devices should be able to figure out that they are using _the same_ AppleID and password without access to a server. And I checked this seems to be _only_ about Home Sharing and Apple TV; a purchased movie plays just fine on the Mac where it is stored without an internet connection.
They should, but they don't.

I had home sharing activated on my ATV2, iPad 2 and iPhone 3GS. After a power out (the laptop, iPad and iPhone never went out of battery), home sharing did not work at all. If I turned off home sharing on my iPhone I could only turn it back on again if I had internet connection via 3G, and after reconnecting to the home network home sharing worked on the iPhone.
 

hafr

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Okay, so I recreated the issue.

I turned off the internet connection, and home sharing was working across the board as normal.

Rebooting iPhone and iPad meant they could see that the library was being shared, but not access it (see the list of films and so on). After reboot, the ATV2 could see the list of films but got error trying to play anything.
 

Confuzzzed

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Well, I have to say I find all these greatly concerning. Clearly I haven't done my homework properly because having decided about a year ago that physical media was no longer suitable for me, I bought a mac mini server for the purpose of storing my movie collection (both ripped and increasingly bought from iTunes). Not that I envisage being without internet BUT there may be circumstances (e.g. when you go on holiday and take the mac mini with you to stream to a TV set via a cable). I haven't tested the truth of what is stated in this thread but what it has done is made me less likely to continue buying movies on iTunes before I get a definitive answer on the usability of the media in a variety of circumstances. Only then will I decide that what iTunes provides truly replaces the DVD for my family.
 

hafr

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Well, I have to say I find all these greatly concerning. Clearly I haven't done my homework properly because having decided about a year ago that physical media was no longer suitable for me, I bought a mac mini server for the purpose of storing my movie collection (both ripped and increasingly bought from iTunes). Not that I envisage being without internet BUT there may be circumstances (e.g. when you go on holiday and take the mac mini with you to stream to a TV set via a cable). I haven't tested the truth of what is stated in this thread but what it has done is made me less likely to continue buying movies on iTunes before I get a definitive answer on the usability of the media in a variety of circumstances. Only then will I decide that what iTunes provides truly replaces the DVD for my family.
I don't know how the DRM works when buying films from iTunes, but if you jailbreak the ATV2 you can always use Plex instead of iTunes for all your media (unless if it's DRM protected and can't be played). It works the same way, but doesn't require online verification.

What you could do is buy the physical discs, then resell them after having ripped the film ;)
 

slothrob

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I'd call that a bug. Two devices should be able to figure out that they are using _the same_ AppleID and password without access to a server. And I checked this seems to be _only_ about Home Sharing and Apple TV; a purchased movie plays just fine on the Mac where it is stored without an internet connection.
They should, but they don't.
I believe that what Gnasher is trying to say is that you should report it to Apple as a bug, not just post it here.
 

hafr

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I believe that what Gnasher is trying to say is that you should report it to Apple as a bug, not just post it here.
I would if I thought it was a bug. But I don't. First of all, you need an Apple ID for home sharing. It doesn't suffice with being on the same network and just enter a password in iTunes that you then enter in any device that wants to connect to the iTunes library.

Since an Apple ID is required, they most likely want to verify that the Apple ID is valid themselves instead of letting iTunes do it.