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carbonmotion said:
I'm refering to guns in terms of competition shooting, which is a big olympics sport, among others.
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.45 ACP isn't olympic afaik ;)

that's why i would rather recommend small caliber/air powered sport shooting since the international community on that is much bigger while the .45 is pretty much a US thing only

even if it might be more cost intensive (*cough* Anschütz *cough*)

back on topic: i think it's a fine line some times ... asking for a sports pistol is totally acceptable for me but asking for the best hollow point ammunition might get reported by me (they are banned here and for good reason)
pump action shotguns i would consider borderline acceptable despite being illegal around here

i think some members should be more aware of the fact that this is still an international community and perhaps be extra careful about sensitive topics like guns
 
takao said:
.45 ACP isn't olympic afaik ;)

that's why i would rather recommend small caliber/air powered sport shooting since the international community on that is much bigger while the .45 is pretty much a US thing only
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the .45 is really big in marksman competitions in Korea. some of the best marksmans in the world are from there.
 
No, what's wrong with guns? It's not our problem if you don't like guns or you can't have a gun in the country you live in;)

Just don't read the thread if you are that offended;)
 
while we're discussing possible "taboo" forums, i'd like to know if i can start a thread about aborting foetus' with coathangers, selling crack (made in my immigrant child labour sweatshop) to schoolgirls, and the depiction of jesus in a xxx gay porno. oh and i club fur seals and use the proceeds to fund an internet pedophile ring.

oh and i think you lot with guns are all way cool man. wooh.
 
As long as they are in the political / community forum, swell.

Freedom of Speech. It's a beautiful thing.
 
dynamicv said:
And I disagree with this. Although Arn is an American, and therefore technically this is an American site (although registered in Scotland if you look closely enough), a site with such an international focus shouldn't allow one country's legal system to dictate what is acceptable. The mods and gods are grown ups, let them make the call according to each case.
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Within reason, any illegal activity should not be allowed, regardless of a certain country's laws or views. It's not so much censorship as it is legal protection for the forums.

A lot of things fall into a gray area within the law and while they don't seem particularly harmful to individuals, hosting such things on MacRumors could cause a lot of unnecessary happenings in some lawyer's office.

Sometimes, things are better left in private (and I'm not talking about the private forums.)
 
lord patton said:
Yes.

This isn't even a close call! No one is showing porno to your kids. No one is shouting fire in your theater. Hell, no one's even drawing caricatures of, err, you know who.

With all respect, it doesn't matter if you're offended.
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Well, with all due respect, I think that's a completely idiotic point of view to take.

sushi said:
Just to clarify, I too do not see any reason why firearm shooting, maintenance, purchase, selling, accessorizing, etc. cannot be discussed on MR.
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welshandrew said:
People are right to point out that someone can simply decide not to read something that they disagree with.

However, would a discussion about drug use be allowed? Or the best places to find hardcore porn? Where is a line drawn on what is deemed appropriate?
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I'd like to clarify my position: my view is that MacRumors is a very open and accessible site to all ages, and all nationalities. By it's very nature, this means that certain things really should not be discussed - you shouldn't be talking about the best place to buy your next hardcore porn DVD when minors could be reading, should you?

I mean, it's not exactly like these kids are going to just look away.

I'm sure there are other forums where it's more appropriate to discuss some of the topics mentioned here, somewhere where impressionable kids, for example, can't see.

And I'd also like to point out my sincere disappointment at the starting of the aforementioned firearms thread.
 
i don't see why it can't be discussed here, but honestly, you'd be better off asking the same ?'s in a firearms and/or hunting forums. Folks there are as hardcore about firearms as MR folks are to macs. ie. i wouldn't ask mac questions anywhere, but here :)

whitetails.com is a good one if you are looking for hunting specific firearms.

Cheers,
Keebler
 
bigandy said:
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I'm sure there are other forums where it's more appropriate to discuss some of the topics mentioned here, somewhere where impressionable kids, for example, can't see.

And I'd also like to point out my sincere disappointment at the starting of the aforementioned firearms thread.
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As I said, I believe that some things are better left in private but that doesn't mean that prohibition of real life will make it go away. We moderators will do what we can to continue to make MacRumors a good place to be, but also parents are responsible for teaching their children right and wrong. It would be nice if everyone was a good example but that's not real life.

Lord Blackadder said:
Has one been started?
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Being obtuse for any particular reason? You may not agree with the opinion but he's as much right to say something as you do.
 
bousozoku said:
Being obtuse for any particular reason? You may not agree with the opinion but he's as much right to say something as you do.
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Not purposely - I thought he was referring to another firearms-related thread, and couldn't find it. Maybe a bit curt in retrospect, but I'm not picking any fights.

I have no problem with people being ambivalent, disappointed, angry, or raving mad about firearms discussion - that's their opinion and I completely accept that.

I believe such discussion should be allowed here, and if the mods choose to allow it I believe that members who disapprove of the topic should simply ignore it and refrain from effectively censoring or blocking such threads by spamming or starting fights to get them locked. That is rude and discriminatory behavior, something which is fortunately uncommon on this forum.

At any rate, Macs are what I'm here for and not firearms discussion. I don't have any intention of starting a "gun thread" or some such, but I don't see it as any less appropriate than many of the threads I've read on MR's community forum as far as I can tell a firearms thread would not fall afoul of any of the stuff outlined as a no-no in the FAQ.

At the same time I can understand why the Mods might chose to limit or restrict discussion on firearms, and I have too much respect for this board not to abide by their decisions. They do a great job and make this place a cut above the rest.

Anyhoo, I've said my peace...back to the Mac. :)
 
I've been skimming alot of the negative responses in the past few posts. I'd like to point out that my original intention was not to start a debate about hand guns and self-defense. I've lived in big cities and suburbs and I have never felt the needed to carry a concealed hand gun. I'm asking about what gun to get for competition shooting, which is a sport. It's very important that this distinction be made. In a way, this thread is alot less contraverstial than people make it out to be. So if you want to make an argument, it should only concern whether or not I was justified in writing a post for a recommendation on a piece of fire arm in the context of sporting equipment not home/ personal defense. Thanks. CM.
 
The only thing surprising perhaps is being surprised that broaching the subject will cause this sort of response, given the demographics on the board. I certainly know that there are better places to ask the sort of question you did here and I've been here a much shorter time than you.

Most wouldn't make the distinction between competition shooting and 'utility' firearms. Especially given the equipment involved in the thread you posted.
 
Well this has all been interesting. And I do enjoy discussing guns of all types...shotguns, rifles, pistols, autos/military, homemade, etc. :)

But for now, on this board I am going to focus on a much more enjoyable topic such as: Apple, Macs, iPods and such! :D

Besides I heard G5 PowerBooks are going to be launched next Tuesday!

;) :p :D :rolleyes:
 
EricNau said:
I disagree - if the activity is illegal in the US, the topic should not be allowed in this forum, regardless of the poster's location worldwide.


I'm against such a gun thread for one reason: it will attract too much trouble, and it's not worth the Mod's time or efforts to keep up with a thread that is going to be a constant problem.
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If we are going to ban all threads causing trouble then half of the political discussion would have to be shut down.

A lot of things are illegal yet we talk about them, downloading software anyone?
 
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