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However much people cheer about expandability and eGPU, what’s the odds Apple will go with even AMD offerings? Remember, NVIDIA and Apple hated each other before and relationship doesn’t exist since then. And how modular would this be? Dedicated CPU in LGA? Will we have desktop Apple silicon package?

I just don’t see much of eGPU or even dedicated GPU cards in Mac Pro simply because Apple is pushing their metal very hard.
I never would have thought a few years back that Apple could do away with discrete GPU's in Macs, but the original M1 surprised me how capable it was and that was just with 8 GPU cores. Now we see the M1 Ultra with 64 GPU cores, and massive 2.5TB/s inter-processor bandwidth, along with what Metal3 provides. This is still pretty early in the evolution of whats next.
 
I never would have thought a few years back that Apple could do away with discrete GPU's in Macs, but the original M1 surprised me how capable it was and that was just with 8 GPU cores. Now we see the M1 Ultra with 64 GPU cores, and massive 2.5TB/s inter-processor bandwidth, along with what Metal3 provides. This is still pretty early in the evolution of whats next.
Adoption is going to be a major roadblock. There’s just no way developer would flock to develop AAA title on Mac without major incentives and a stabilised (as in, no major game-breaking change after each year) Metal API, preferably with cross compatibility. Mac is still a niche gaming market, even more than Linux, thanks to the steam deck.
 
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For MBPs, Air and iMac the SoC works, but for a workstation like Mac Pro I’m still of the opinion that the SoC is DOA for a workstation. Workstations are a different use case.

However I’d imagine that Apple will do a base model then you add additional MPX Module boards for extra compute like server blades.
 
The “M2 Extreme” rumor was more likely bogus to begin with — it never made sense given the use of the word “Ultra” as a top tier. It is possible they could combine two Ultra chips, but I don’t see them adding a tier above the Ultra.
 
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Then who’s going to directly compete with 4090?
M1 ultra is only half of 4090 in Geekbench gpu
Mac Studio is not a expandable device
Depends on what you do. My Mac Studio competes with my 3080 Ti and is much better than it in some work (purchased both systems before the 40xx series was even announced).
 
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You can configure a Mac studio with M1 Max 10/24 w/64GB/512GB SSD for a list of $2399 list USD now before any discount right now. EDU price that stores can match is $2159 USD. We are seeing retailers match that.

Why wait?
Cause is $1000 more than I want to spend.
 
This information from Gurman has pretty much solidified my opinion that I should go ahead and get a Studio because it appears the Mac Pro is going to be priced very high. The M2 Studio may be quite a bit higher too; that's a hard one to figure.
 
Cause is $1000 more than I want to spend.
Realistically I wouldn't bet the next Mac mini, even if it lets you configure to a M2 Pro, is going to offer a 64GB option. To some degree it makes sense they make that a Max/Studio option.
This information from Gurman has pretty much solidified my opinion that I should go ahead and get a Studio because it appears the Mac Pro is going to be priced very high. The M2 Studio may be quite a bit higher too; that's a hard one to figure.
That was always going to be the case considering the Ultra Studio starts at $4K and the previous Mac Pro started at $6K. It's possible they drop the entry-level price a bit since they're saving on the Intel Xeon tax, but I doubt it.
 
that would be fantastic, cause this means hello egpu! as much as i like the gpu on my m1 max, but lets be honest apple silicon gpu never held a candle to nvidia and amd's top of the line offering.
I wouldn't hold my breath for add-on/external GPUs unless they come from Apple, pretty sure slapping a 4090 or 7900xtx in a M2 Ultra Mac Pro is out of the picture.

Hell, I can see Apple trying to pull an all-soldered Mac Pro, with non-upgradable RAM and storage, that will be a faster, meaner, larger, pricier version of the Mac Studio - and little else.
 
The fact they are scrapping the M2 Extreme could be seen as a clue the MacPro is going to support add-on GPUs. (maybe not by AMD but Apple GPUs)

And definitely add-on RAM sticks.
They would be fools not to leverage current AMD GPGPUs and upcoming MI300 and RDNA3 custom ASIC designs, right along with updated PCIE5 slots to keep OEM cards, a new Afterburner and more as options.

The big problem is RAM that would be DDR5 is all integrated. Clearly, their teams are not scaling like they had hoped with their CPU designs.

Zen 4 is the first MCM on the market with Zen 5 adding Xilinx IP in terms of Neural processing units, ML Cores, etc from a merger that is already industry leading including FPGAs.

Zen 4 EPYC is 128 Core/256 thread ready, now. It’s chewing up market share from Intel all things server/cloud related/supercomputing 500 records, etc. oh and it supports LPDDR5 up to 6 TB per socket. Imagine dual socket Mac Pro Zen 4 Bergamo 128/256 now. PIXAR would buy every last one of them.

Zen 5 will be the mixed core types unified 3D stacked L3 cache power efficiency continuing to improve with even more cores/threads and varied chipset core sizes.

It’s a great time to watch the advancements coming as companies fight for your purchase choices.
 
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I wouldn't hold my breath for add-on/external GPUs unless they come from Apple, pretty sure slapping a 4090 or 7900xtx in a M2 Ultra Mac Pro is out of the picture.

Hell, I can see Apple trying to pull an all-soldered Mac Pro, with non-upgradable RAM and storage, that will be a faster, meaner, larger, pricier version of the Mac Studio - and little else.
oh yeah for sure, i don't mind an apple gpu if it means i can use my egpu again, using the egpu was the only time i felt macs were on par with my gaming pc's performance.
 
Looking to get a M2 Ultra Studio when they drop. I think the Mac Pro isn’t really necessary honestly, unless Apple is going to offer External PCIe GPUs which doesn’t make sense given their unified memory architecture, so….
 
I think we all remember when a lot of Apples devices were affordable.

My first (and, as of right now) last Mac was my MacBook Pro from 2010 and it was $1200. And upgradeable. A couple of upgrades kept it working as my daily for 12 years.

If I wanted an equivalent MacBook today, being forced to pay Apple’s upgrade prices? Probably about $2,000.
You got 12 years out of a MacBook Pro and yet your next laptop won't be a Mac? I just don't understand this thinking.
 
Are you serious? People buy RTX 4090 mainly to work in 3D engines especially that need RAY TRACING in real time.
Apple has nothing that can compete with NVIDIA's 3000 series at all.
4090 You went too far...
This. Either Apple finds a way to support ray tracing (RT) with a new MP or they fail. Apple controls both the OS and all the hardware, so personally I look to see a creative new hardware/software way to support RT. We will see.
 
There is an entire scientific/engineering pro market that's way above photography and video. Apple needs to target these users.

I could literally use 10,000 processors if they gave it to me.
Anyone in the scientific/engineering pro market that’s NOT using the hardware that most cross platform libraries are tuned for (Nvidia, Intel) are already conceding that top performance isn’t important to them, macOS compatibility is (except for those cases where Apple’s SoC offers world beating performance due to the unified memory structure). As a result, anyone that wants peak Mac performance will likely have one option every 2-3 years that offers peak Mac performance (based on a SoC made from combining multiple CPU/GPU’s from their mobile line). They won’t likely ever see a solution with even 512 processors, but it WILL be the fastest Mac they can buy.

And, if those folks go “That’s it, I’m done with Apple”… well I’m pretty sure the millions of MBAir’s Apple are selling will have to be good enough to make up for the 10,000 performance systems they WOULD have sold in that year.
 
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What kind of cards everything I use for audio now is external using Apollo X racks. The days of sticking in processor cards for Protools is long gone.
Really? Not being into audio, I wouldn’t know, but are there any big names focusing on internal expansion? Or are they offering onboard and outboard solutions similarly?
 
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