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Gurman: Apple Planning No New Mac Releases For Remainder of 2022
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The iMacs in the Apple Stores are old. They haven’t been updated in over 600 days!
Apple is not planning to announce any new Macs in the remainder of this year, with all planned releases expected to take place in the first quarter of 2023, including updated versions of the MacBook Pro, Mac mini, and the Mac Pro, Bloomberg's Mark Gurman said today.
Writing in his latest Power On newsletter, Gurman said Apple has decided to wait until next year to announce new Macs, including MacBook Pros which were rumored to launch this month. "I'm told that Apple is aiming to introduce the upgraded models—including M2-based versions of the 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pros—in the first quarter of calendar 2023," Gurman said today.
During the company's latest earnings call, Apple CEO Tim Cook said Apple's "product lineup is set" ahead of the holidays, possibly suggesting there will be no new product launches this year as Apple gears up for the holiday season. Apple's CFO, Luca Maestri, provided a more decisive confirmation saying, "we have a very challenging compare against last year, which had the benefit of the launch and associated channel fill of our newly redesigned MacBook Pro with M1," Gurman noted today in Power On.
As previously reported, Apple continues to test an Apple silicon Mac Pro with a configuration that includes 24 CPU cores (including 16 performance and eight efficiency cores), 76 graphics cores, and 192GB of memory. The Mac Pro is expected to be powered by the "M2 Ultra" and "M2 Extreme" chips with at least twice or four times the performance as the M2 Max chip, expected to be announced alongside the updated MacBook Pros next year.
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There was much disagreement about this when no MP announcement was made at WWDC 22 in June. Some claimed the "Two year transition" clock started when the first AS Mac shipped, but that was flawed logic because the transition was first announced at WWDC '20 with no set date for the first AS Mac release.
But flawed logic can only move a goal post so far.
The real issue is by WWDC '22 it was obvious the transition is in trouble.
IMHO, the SOC concept is being rejected by the Mac Pro market. The Mac Studio demonstrated a lack of upgradability, which the Pro market will not accept. Pro users will reject buying an entire new system to just update memory.
I thought Apple learned this lesson with the MP 6,1 "Tube". The MP 7,1 was a firm but expensive answer, and now it serves a Pro market benchmark to meet or beat. It's hard to see how any current M chip can do that.
A lot of us caught a TON of crap here for pointing out the 6,1 flaws, but we ended up being exonerated when Apple admitted the 6,1 "thermal envelope" design constraint.
It will be interesting to see what they come up with for the AS MP.
Do you think Apple has been showing prototypes to the Mac Pro market? That would be fascinating if true. They show their highest end users their new ASi Mac Pro and everyone just says "Nah... Not buying that one." And it causes Apple to delay the release of the new Mac Pro.
Apple has done that in the past, although they usually hide the physical design from testers. For example, when the 6,1 tube prototypes were sent to external developers, the hardware was disguised in a small file cabinet. But this may not be the case with AS because the Mac Studio demonstrates a "near-Pro level" of performance but also a severe lack of upgradability (with current M SOC).
My guess is their "two year transition" was a "we have a plan" statement. But that plan is not going to work for the MP. Think about it... If it was going to work for the MP using what's known about current/future M SOC variants, an Mx MP 8,1 would be shipping by end of '22 because Apple doesn't suck at building computers. Also, what would an M2 "Extreme" (speculated) powered MP even look like? Physically it wouldn't need to look much different or bigger than the current Mac Studio. Check out the heat sink differences between the M1 Max/Ultra equipped Mac Studios and then consider what an Mx "Extreme" heat sink would look like. My guess Apple has developed a case of Apple Silicon "tunnel vision" that led them right back to the "thermal envelope design corner" they were in with the MP 6,1.
Fail, but at least they didn't ship a POS MP 8,1 (yet).
Irrational exuberance, that's what I'd call most of this past year's expectations concerning new Macs.
For an entire year we've heard nothing but more and more predictions about how Apple was going to update practical their entire Mac product line during 2022. But, history has shown that things like that just don't happen and I'm surprised that so many so-called Mac pundits were so quick to assume that 2022 would be a landmark year in terms of new Mac products.
Let's face facts, Apple generally updates their Macs on a two year or longer time frame which means all that we were likely to see this year was a new Macbook Air and 13" MacBook Pro and maybe a new Mac mini (since those were introduced in the fall of 2020). However, Mac minis generally (unfortunately) go more than two years between updates so I would say that we got just about what we should have expected during 2022 (if you omit the Mac Studio, which I think surprised many people).
I called this way back in December 2021 when the rumors about mass updates to the Mac lineup started to appear. And, I didn't change that stance during all of 2022 (differing from many who seem to change their predictions with every new rumor).
Quite frankly, the excuses about product delays from Covid, supply chains, and problems at TMC were pretty much known during all of 2022 and let's remember that Covid started back in early 2020. So, if Apple had really planned on shipping new MacBook Pros, Mac minis, and Mac Pros in 2022 then they too were guilty of irrational exuberance.
All that said, I still think Apple has a very good lineup of Macs excepting the Mac Pro and larger iMacs (and I'm not sure we will every see a larger iMac).
Right now it seems almost certain that we will get new Macs sometime in the first half of 2023. Maybe WWDC 2023 for the Mac Pro? I'm also growing less optimistic about any new Mac mini that would use anything other than a "stock" M2 processor, so count me somewhat surprised if we ever get a Mac mini "pro."
For an entire year we've heard nothing but more and more predictions about how Apple was going to update practical their entire Mac product line during 2022. But, history has shown that things like that just don't happen and I'm surprised that so many so-called Mac pundits were so quick to assume that 2022 would be a landmark year in terms of new Mac products.
Let's face facts, Apple generally updates their Macs on a two year or longer time frame which means all that we were likely to see this year was a new Macbook Air and 13" MacBook Pro and maybe a new Mac mini (since those were introduced in the fall of 2020). However, Mac minis generally (unfortunately) go more than two years between updates so I would say that we got just about what we should have expected during 2022 (if you omit the Mac Studio, which I think surprised many people).
I called this way back in December 2021 when the rumors about mass updates to the Mac lineup started to appear. And, I didn't change that stance during all of 2022 (differing from many who seem to change their predictions with every new rumor).
Quite frankly, the excuses about product delays from Covid, supply chains, and problems at TMC were pretty much known during all of 2022 and let's remember that Covid started back in early 2020. So, if Apple had really planned on shipping new MacBook Pros, Mac minis, and Mac Pros in 2022 then they too were guilty of irrational exuberance.
All that said, I still think Apple has a very good lineup of Macs excepting the Mac Pro and larger iMacs (and I'm not sure we will every see a larger iMac).
Right now it seems almost certain that we will get new Macs sometime in the first half of 2023. Maybe WWDC 2023 for the Mac Pro? I'm also growing less optimistic about any new Mac mini that would use anything other than a "stock" M2 processor, so count me somewhat surprised if we ever get a Mac mini "pro."
It’s still very disappointing especially considering just how far behind Apple is in graphics tech.
With both A&N launching their new silicon, with Apple having no answer until next year…just very disappointing.
They booted NVidia and AMD both out of their ecosystem and now they have no real solution for high end workstation graphics, let alone a modular system.
Workstation users need modular upgradeable graphics. Apple has no solution. That’s the reality, that’s why they can’t launch anything. No one would buy it if they did.
A $6000 workstation that has a lifecycle of ~2 years (current GPU refresh life cycle from A&N) before it’s obsolete with no modular components?
It would be the trash can all over again, which even Apple themselves admitted was a ****** product.
There are very specific environments where performance per watt and fan noise and heat matters for a desktop workstation, and that’s where the Mac Studio shines. In any other environment, it’s pretty much a joke in both price and performance compared to a PC equivalent.
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I bought mine on eBay so I don't know. M1 Mac mini beyond 8/256 is a lot more expensive even on eBay, so I ended up with 8/256 for $440, which probably most bang-for-buck at this point vs. 8/512 or 16/512 and up.
You might want to review the recent history of Mac releases because that statement is way off base. Apple released new MacBook Pros (of various sizes) every year from 2015 - 2019, including 2 model releases in 2019 (the 13 inch MBP continued that run into 2020). The only recent 2 year gap was 2019 - 2021 for the 16 inch as Apple prepped the M1 Pro/Mac MBPs.
Does it concern others what China has in mind for itself and TSMC? It would alter the future of chips and the US
Yes, you are correct that they announced "new" Macs about every year but those were often speed bumps without any new chips or features. However, the redesigns with new processors only happened about every two years (at best). Of course, that wasn't necessarily Apple's "fault" since Intel only released new processors about every two years.
However, the M2 is a new processor and I don't think Apple has ever been up to the task of adapting a new Mac processor every year (they couldn't on Intel and it looks like they will be doing the same with the M-series silicon). IMO, that's a bit of a disappointment and note that AnandTech speculated on this slower pace of updates when they reviewed the M2 chip design back in June 2022. They said that PCs were generally on a 2-year update cycle while Apple's A-series SoC for iOS devices were updated yearly. Then they speculated that the M2 was actually going to split that difference with maybe an 18 month cycle.
That would mean new MacBook Pros in the spring of 2023 or in early summer 2023.
I suspect Apple got scared with the performance of the new NVIDIA graphics chips and realised that the M2 Mac Pro was not going to be up to cheddar. I suspect putting an AMD Radeon 7000 series in a 2019 Mac Pro was going to give much better graphics performance and more expandability so they decided to hold off. The thing is that so many pro apps are dependant now on Graphics performance so unless it is a generation quicker than the 2019 Mac Pro + internal GPU then who would buy it? Also Thunderbolt 5 is going to have much better support for full bandwidth eGPUs so again you would be looking at comparing a cheaper x86 laptop with powerful eGPU against a Mac Pro or MacBook Pro without eGPU support.
Herein lies the problem which was always going to bite them in the ass. They bit off a lot saying they can take on Intel, AMD and Nvidia with Apple Silicon. Apple Silicon is snappy at OS tasks however it's still no match for a dedicated GPU. The new Apple TV is slower graphic performance wise than a PS4 from 10 years ago. Apple needs to fix eGPU support for M2 or M3 and then they may have a suitable product for the Apple Silicon Mac Pro.
Personally I have decided to hold off on migrating to Apple Silicon until the Mac Pro is out. I have too many hardware dependancies that I can't migrate yet - LTFS, SAS, AMD GPU. It's my opinion that all the other Macs on Apple Silicon are just test platforms until the Mac Pro comes out and so far Apple are failing because it's way behind schedule.
Herein lies the problem which was always going to bite them in the ass. They bit off a lot saying they can take on Intel, AMD and Nvidia with Apple Silicon. Apple Silicon is snappy at OS tasks however it's still no match for a dedicated GPU. The new Apple TV is slower graphic performance wise than a PS4 from 10 years ago. Apple needs to fix eGPU support for M2 or M3 and then they may have a suitable product for the Apple Silicon Mac Pro.
Personally I have decided to hold off on migrating to Apple Silicon until the Mac Pro is out. I have too many hardware dependancies that I can't migrate yet - LTFS, SAS, AMD GPU. It's my opinion that all the other Macs on Apple Silicon are just test platforms until the Mac Pro comes out and so far Apple are failing because it's way behind schedule.
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The 3nm die is being released next year so Apple is waiting for it. There is a 1 1/2 to 2 year cycle for the Pro and Max chips, so because the M1 Pro and Max came out last year, the next release will be in 2023. From Gurman's article, it looks to be the first calendar quarter (between January and March).
It is funny how you said "not up to cheddar," when the Mac Pro has a cheese grater design
I am excited to see what the Apple Silicon Mac Pro will look like, from the physical size of it, to what kinds of expansion cards / modules it will allow for. The Mac Pro is the most upgradeable Mac, so it will be nice to see what kinds of options are available for it.
Yep. After the rumored November came and went I decided to hold off on grabbing an M1 Pro. 😕
Although it is tempting now that I can get one with the specs I want for about $400 off. Funny thing is, I really only need a MacBook Air M2 but I want the better screen and ports.
Guess I will wait for the M2 Pro and then delay enough to say maybe I should wait for the M3 🤣
My 2010 MBP is still hanging on by a thread.