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I find it hard to believe that Apple would design another new Mac Pro, and completely exclude the option of discrete graphics.

I just don't think anyone is going to spend $10k on integrated graphics, no matter how good Apple has advanced it.
For people in the market for the “fastest Mac money can buy”, “integrated graphics” is of little concern. If they need and can buy a new Mac that performs twice as well or better than the one they have in every way, the only thing that matters is, “How soon can I get it?”

I mean, folks have paid over $6,000 for a MacBook Pro with integrated graphics, a few thousand more isn’t far fetched :)
 
I remember when Jobs came back and streamlined the product line because it was so convoluted and confused customers. Looks like we are back to that again. iMac, iBook, PowerMac, Power Book. Now we have 4 models of the same iPhone. So strange.
Until they get back to the point where the same configuration has two separate prices and two separate model numbers, they haven’t come close to their old complexity yet :)
 
I believe Apple's words at WWDC2020 were something like "about 2 years" (they said the same about the Intel transition, but that was done in one) so I think you're applying spurious precision here.
It was “about 2 years” in the PR, didn’t listen to the keynote again, though. :)
 
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67% of the line up has already transitioned in 18 months since the announcement, so long as the remaining 3 products transition by WWDC (or are at least announced) they are pretty much on schedule for the two year transition, as some might say the two year transition ends in November 2022 (as technically the transition never actually started until November 2020), however the two year transition was announced at WWDC 2020 so either timescales can be accepted.

Some might say WWDC 2020 started the transition with the release of the Mac mini (chassis) based Developer Transition Kit...?

This post is directed (mostly) to Tim Cook:

🤣 As if Tim Cook is sitting in his office scrolling thru the MacRumors forums... 🤣

It’s an Intel device but, as it’s an i5, while it may have been the top end Intel Mini, I’d guess the $899 M1 Mini beats the $1099 Intel Mini in everything but Boot Camp. The top-end mini is here now.

No, it is not, otherwise the 2018 Intel Mac mini would not still be available for sale from Apple, the top end mini will have M1 Pro/Max SoCs within...

My question is… will they go 16G for the memory in a Mini?

Apple already offers 16GB of RAM in the low-end 2020 ASi Mac mini; the better question I am sure a lot of folks are wondering, will the low-end M2-based Mac mini have a 32GB option for RAM...?

If so, then maybe the low end M1 Pro would replace the current $1099 Mini.

Yes, the entry-level double binned M1 Pro SoC, with an 8-core CPU (6P/2E) / 14-core GPU configured SoC, will be the base line replacement for the 2018 Intel Mac mini; most likely with a new chassis design, intended for the low-end/entry-level Mn-series SoCs...
 
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No, it is not, otherwise the 2018 Intel Mac mini would not still be available for sale from Apple, the top end mini will have M1 Pro/Max SoCs within...
Is your thinking that the Intel i5 (3.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 if you upgrade it) outperforms the M1? I haven’t looked into this model specifically, but I guess I could do some googling at least on the benchmark results.

Apple already offers 16GB of RAM in the low-end 2020 ASi Mac mini; the better question I am sure a lot of folks are wondering, will the low-end M2-based Mac mini have a 32GB option for RAM...?
No, I mean as a BASE option. Because of the SoC’s RAM requirements and the fact that the M1 Pro’s already being made with 16 GB of RAM as a base configuration, Either:
Apple will use the Pro M1 and the Mac Mini will have 16 GB as a base configuration, OR
Apple will use a new chip with Pro M1 and 8 GB… which I think is unlikely. I think I need to do a chart of all the current configurations and binned options just to see if there’s something there.
 
Is your thinking that the Intel i5 (3.2GHz 6‑core 8th‑generation Intel Core i7 if you upgrade it) outperforms the M1? I haven’t looked into this model specifically, but I guess I could do some googling at least on the benchmark results.

Not in the least, nor did I say that; I clearly said that the top-end Mac mini would be one with M1 Pro/Max SoC options...

No, I mean as a BASE option. Because of the SoC’s RAM requirements and the fact that the M1 Pro’s already being made with 16 GB of RAM as a base configuration, Either:
Apple will use the Pro M1 and the Mac Mini will have 16 GB as a base configuration, OR
Apple will use a new chip with Pro M1 and 8 GB… which I think is unlikely. I think I need to do a chart of all the current configurations and binned options just to see if there’s something there.

16GB RAM as base line in a Mn-based Mac mini would raise the price by US$200...
 
Apple is working on a number of new products that are set to launch this fall, and Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says that it will be "the widest array" of new devices that Apple has introduced in its history.

Yea 1993 wasn't very special. Yes it wasn't all in fall 93'.

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That's a 2 year update cycle, too slow. We were promised progress will be much swifter when not held back by Intel.
Who promised you that?
Tim Cook never stood on stage and said "The MacBook Air will be updated every 12 months, with absolutely no fail."
The "M" series of chips is a clear replacement for the old "A-X" series, which were updated every 18-24 months or so.
A9X: September 2015
A10X: June 2017
A12X: October 2018
M1 (basically the A14X): November 2020
It was never a 100% annual upgrade.
 
For people in the market for the “fastest Mac money can buy”, “integrated graphics” is of little concern. If they need and can buy a new Mac that performs twice as well or better than the one they have in every way, the only thing that matters is, “How soon can I get it?”

I mean, folks have paid over $6,000 for a MacBook Pro with integrated graphics, a few thousand more isn’t far fetched :)

Well, yes and no. Some have the means to get what they need at whatever cost. But there are many professionals who do have to keep an eye on expenses. They may have a setup that works for them and merely need a boost in graphics. Having an option to go discrete, would seem to be the smarter route.
 
This headline conjures up nightmare images of Apple pre-Jobs being rehired. Quantity has never been Apple's strength, and Steve knew it.
You mean the same Steve Jobs who had three different Mac laptops, three different Mac desktops, four different style of iPod… you see where I’m going with this?
Steve said that Apple‘s Mack lineup, at that time, in 1998, needed to be cut down to the four essentials.
After he did that, he very quickly moved past that philosophy. He at no point ever said that Apple needed to *always* stick to four products, and four products only.
So he had his four products, the iBook, the power book, the iMac, and the Power Mac.
Then he added the cube.
Then he added the titanium power book.
Then he added the iPod.
Then he added the eMac.
Then he added the iPod mini.
Then he added the Mac mini.
Then he added the iPod shuffle.
Then he added the iPod nano.
Then he added the Apple TV.
Then he moved all of the Mac lineup over to Intel and changed the name to the MacBook, the MacBook Pro, the Mac mini, the iMac and the Mac Pro.
Then he added the iPhone.
Then he added the iPod touch.
Then he added the MacBook Air.
Then he added the aluminum MacBook to go along side the white plastic MacBook.
I think you get the point
 
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This post is directed (mostly) to Tim Cook:

Tim, highly-recommend you read the section of Walter Isaacon's Steve Jobs bio that describes Jobs returning to Apple & making the company "focus" ONLY on specific products.

To ALL others, that section of the book is a very good read !
They already do. They sell phones and phone accessories, tablets, and computers.
Even more minor products like the Apple TV basically function as an accessory to the rest of your ecosystem.
Apple hasn’t expanded into making washers, dryers, refrigerators and airplanes, pretty much the only category they’ve entered since Steve Jobs passed away is wearable phone accessories.
 
The problem is Apple is now a Jack of ALL trades, & Master of NONE !
Here's what Apple is the best at: Making beautiful and easy-to-use computers with premium materials.
That works extremely well with luxury and consumer markets. They can charge more for these computers that people covet.

If you want a gaming rig or a editing/3D machine, then you want a computer with great price-to-performance and dependable upgrade cycle. Apple needs to get out of here. They'll never be the best at this.

If school boards want a computer they can give to thousands of students, they want a cloud platform for classwork and inexpensive and rugged machines. Apple needs to get out of here. They'll never be the best at this.

This is how you focus.
 
Not in the least, nor did I say that; I clearly said that the top-end Mac mini would be one with M1 Pro/Max SoC options...
Ok. When I said the top-end Mac mini is here now, I meant that the Mac mini WITH M1 processor is currently the highest performing Mac mini anyone can buy.

16GB RAM as base line in a Mn-based Mac mini would raise the price by US$200...
If you upgrade a current 8GB RAM system to 16, it’s $200. However, if they replace the current baseline 8GB M1 system with a base 16GB M1 Pro, I’d figure the cost delta would be more than $200.
 
Well, yes and no. Some have the means to get what they need at whatever cost. But there are many professionals who do have to keep an eye on expenses. They may have a setup that works for them and merely need a boost in graphics. Having an option to go discrete, would seem to be the smarter route.
Oh, no question, I’m just guessing anyone who buys a future Mac Pro very likely won’t have that decision to make, even if they’d really like to be able to make that decision.
 


Apple is working on a number of new products that are set to launch this fall, and Bloomberg's Mark Gurman says that it will be "the widest array" of new devices that Apple has introduced in its history.


In his latest "Power On" newsletter, Gurman explains that Apple is working on four new flagship iPhones (iPhone 14, iPhone 14 Max, iPhone 14 Pro, and iPhone 14 Pro Max), an updated low-end MacBook Pro, a refreshed larger-screened iMac, a new Mac Pro, a redesigned MacBook Air, second-generation AirPods Pro, three Apple Watches (Series 8, SE, and Rugged), a low-end iPad, and new iPad Pro models.

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There are also rumors of updated Mac mini and a 24" external monitor, a 27" external monitor and some other monitor with Apple silicon. Also updated MacBook Air and Pro with M2 generation SoC.
 
The problem is Apple is now a Jack of ALL trades, & Master of NONE !

I will say that Apple is the master of providing an integrated ecosystem that no other platform (not even Google or Microsoft) can match. And that’s really their main selling point. Yes, you can probably identify flaw here or a shortcoming there when picking apart their individual products, but put them all together and the sum is typically more than the individual parts.

And I think that’s really what I am paying for. The experience of walking around the classroom with my ipad mirrored to the Apple TV. Of airdropping a dozen photos to my MBA. Of having my calendar on my wrist or making payments. Of having AirPods be that right size for my pocket and being so darn easy to use. And a myriad of other conveniences.

Yes, every product has compromises, but they are the right compromises for me (in that I either don’t care, or simply am not affected by their design limitations, or they happen to “just work” for me).
 
Who’s Dylan?
 
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You mean the same Steve Jobs who had three different Mac laptops, three different Mac desktops, four different style of iPod… you see where I’m going with this?
Steve said that Apple‘s Mack lineup, at that time, in 1998, needed to be cut down to the four essentials.
After he did that, he very quickly moved past that philosophy. He at no point ever said that Apple needed to *always* stick to four products, and four products only.
So he had his four products, the iBook, the power book, the iMac, and the Power Mac.
Then he added the cube.
Then he added the titanium power book.
Then he added the iPod.
Then he added the eMac.
Then he added the iPod mini.
Then he added the Mac mini.
Then he added the iPod shuffle.
Then he added the iPod nano.
Then he added the Apple TV.
Then he moved all of the Mac lineup over to Intel and changed the name to the MacBook, the MacBook Pro, the Mac mini, the iMac and the Mac Pro.
Then he added the iPhone.
Then he added the iPod touch.
Then he added the MacBook Air.
Then he added the aluminum MacBook to go along side the white plastic MacBook.
I think you get the point
That is nothing compared to the Apple of today. Nothing lol.
 
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Well, yes and no. Some have the means to get what they need at whatever cost. But there are many professionals who do have to keep an eye on expenses. They may have a setup that works for them and merely need a boost in graphics. Having an option to go discrete, would seem to be the smarter route.
I don't know what Apple plans, but not all professionals need "a boost in graphics", or need one as well as a boost in CPU power. If they want to have the option to replace the GPU separately, the current Mac Pro does that for them. A "mini Pro" is likely going to have to give up some flexibility the larger version has. But I will agree that i miss the degree of configurability we used to have, with the PDP-10 for instance. Now there was a machine with room for expansion!
 
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I don't know what Apple plans, but not all professionals need "a boost in graphics", or need one as well as a boost in CPU power. If they want to have the option to replace the GPU separately, the current Mac Pro does that for them. A "mini Pro" is likely going to have to give up some flexibility the larger version has. But I will agree that i miss the degree of configurability we used to have, with the PDP-10 for instance. Now there was a machine with room for expansion!
I’m totally willing to be wrong and find that the Apple Silicon Mac Pro could have some esoteric proprietary technology that allows for some modularity. However, of those folks that Apple talked to about their workflows prior to releasing the Mac Pro, if their feedback was that they never touch the internals and only upgrade the whole system every 4-5 years, then Apple having a non-upgradable Pro would be just what those few big customers would want (like the current Mac Pro is what those few big customers would want) at a price only those big customers would want to pay.
 
That is nothing compared to the Apple of today. Nothing lol.
Yes, but the iPod lineup proved that Steve didn’t follow de original 4 product grid, instead expanded it to cover “niche” markets. Apple of today is doing the same exact thing, but in every product line
 
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