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I don't see how a 15" Macbook air slots into the product lineup.

8/10 core 16gb/512gb 13" Macbook Air is $1699
10/16 core 16gb/512gb 14" Macbook Pro is $1999

It isn't the MBP 14" that is the contention point here. 15" MBA likely will slot in in zone that the MBP 13" covers (with its increasingly data enclosure).

The other major issue is that vast bulk are not going to do 16GB RAM upgrade piled on top of the GPU core upgrade. The more BTO options weave in the more distorted a picture you create about the market product placements Apple is actually going for. Walking the BTO optiona ladder is about goosing more margin. Highly likely Apple doesn't really care much about fratricide when the mark up margin gets very far when basically printing profits either way.

The MBA 13" with your upgrades is $1699 and so is the MBP 13" . Did the sky collapse raining utter destruction? Nope.

The base standard MBA 15" ( likely closer to 14.8 and 14.9 and Apple is rounding up. While rounding down the MBA's 13.6" being rounded down to 13". ) The screens are not 2" gapped. So little good reason that the prices would be broadly gapped. The base standard MBA 13" and 15" will likely start with some GPU cores down. [ NOTE: the MBP 13" has two screens. The touchbar screen costs money. Is that going to more than about an 1" more in diagonal space on the primary screen? ]


Apple could 'fix' this by starting the MBA out with better SSD floor where the bandwidth isn't kneecapped. The difference in NAND availability between 1H '22 and 1H '23 is HUGE. There is now a glut of NAND chips. In 2023, Apple Scrooge McDuck end users on NAND is a bit over the top .. even for Apple. If Apple isn't going 'upgrade' the MBA 13" for a decent amount of time then wouldn't hurt to fix its SSD starting point also.


To unkeecap the MBA 13" (and presumably 15") it is $200 to take it two packages and no bandwidth backslide. There is your $200 right there. Dropping the 2 GPU cores is another $100 . There is a $300 gap between entry MBA 13" and MBP 13" . Another option is that the screen is only $100 more and keep kneecap folks on the base level SSD (hoping folks looking not to backslide just pay up ... on even cheaper NAND. The bill of material costs have gone down on NAND and use that to help pay for screen size bump. ).


[ If the notch is adding cost .. could 'de-notch' it also. I suspect though making more notched laptop screens have economies of scale help across the line up though. ]



I'm going to assume that a 15" Macbook Air will be $200 more than a 13" one so it really doesn't leave much space before you're just better off buying a 14" Macbook Pro.

"after taking the hit of 3-4 BTO option pricing changes , I'm pretty close to buy the entry more of the next one up ... So what the heck just buy the more expensive model. (with slightly smaller screen). ". Congratulations ... Apple has just walked up the pricing ladder from build to order machine with higher logical overhead to a standard off the shelf model ( likely available immediately in the retail store room).

Problem here where? ( at least for Apple. They just walked you into spending more. At likely about the same profit margins; so they make as much either way. )


P.S. I suspect Apple keeps the MBP 13" around as a cheap alternative to throw M2 ( and later M3 ) SoCs into to soak up entry flow. Pretty good chance the MBA 15" would take over the #2 in sales slot from the MBP 13". Apple keeps it around the the notch haters , touchbar fans , and corner case use cases.
 
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In time, I would not at all be surprised if these 15" MBAs prove to be Apple's best-selling laptop to date.

The screen size and lack of dual monitor support (which a 15" MBA won't address the latter) are my only complaints about my 13" MBA M2. Otherwise, it's as close to perfection as they have produced. Its build quality, lines, capabilities are stunning. The culmination of years of R&D, all in one product. And it shows.
 
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I really hope that Apple implements a better SoC cooling system on the 15" MacBook Air. That way, you can occasionally run more complex apps without running into thermal throttling problems.
 
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Thoughts on the weight of the new 15" MBA?

Decent chance it is about what the MBP 13" is ~3.0lbs.
That will make it lighter than the MBP 14" ( 3.5 lbs) . [ Smaller battery because M2 is lower power than M2 Pro. ]
MBA 13" is 2.7lbs. But the MBA 13 is actually 13.6" big screen. If rounded up (instead of down) that would be 14". Likewise pretty decent chance this MBA 15 is rounded up from 14.7-14.9. Apple could be taking opposite rounding protocols to place a larger gap in the "product name numbers" than in the actual screens. The closer the screens sizes the more so the bigger screen isn't going to greatly blow past the mark set by the MBA 13. ( incrementally more glass , aluminum and battery on the same baseline chassis thickness design)


[ edit PS. even if the new screen stretches out to 15.5 .. it still less full two inch gain and they can cap the battery growth at some point. wouldn't hurt to put holes in some of the additional aluminum also for better ventilation. Would likely be over 3.0 than under, but still gap the MBP 14". It will just be a smaller gap. ]
 
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Let’s hope the GPU configurations allow for two external monitors….pretty big blunder in the current Air. Less functionality than the hardware it replaced…

If it has the M2 then it isn't changing. That limitation is set by the SoC. Same SoC then same limitation.

For better or worse Apple creates relatively large display controllers. I think this allows them to save power lower performance modes, but that comes with a tradeoff that they are limited on number of controllers on smaller sized dies. That bulky factor probably driven by having local cache to run some of the display frames from. If so somewhat doubtful this will change for M3, M4 , M5 , etc either as between the external I/O logic not shrinking much and the SRAM/cache memory not shrinking much that 'bulk' isn't going anyway. Still soaking up about as much space on a limited sized die.

Yes, other stuff is shrinking but likely Apple will want to throw more of that stuff onto the die to boost performance in other aspects. New updates in display controller would be following DPv2 bandwidth output. ( drive larger screens or screens faster perhaps).


And Apple will hope that more folks switch from 4K to 6K or 8K monitors which puts downward deployments of two monitors. ( driving single , bigger screen can help in some contexts ).
 
I don't see how a 15" Macbook air slots into the product lineup.

8/10 core 16gb/512gb 13" Macbook Air is $1699
10/16 core 16gb/512gb 14" Macbook Pro is $1999

I'm going to assume that a 15" Macbook Air will be $200 more than a 13" one so it really doesn't leave much space before you're just better off buying a 14" Macbook Pro.

Would you pay $1899 for a 16/512 15" Macbook Air and not just upgrade to the $1999 Pro? If you're shopping at the budget end of Apple laptops why not use that extra $200 to double your memory or storage (from the very paltry 8gb or 256gb).

People who wants a BIGGER screen for as little money as possible will buy this machine. To them the 14" MacBook Pro is a worse machine because the screen is smaller.
 
What issues do you have that require a 120 display? Are you still going to buy it if it doesn't have a 120 display?
Agree, for what I do on a Mac, it's not even a nice to have feature, particularly as the LCD panels Apple have been using for the iPad Pro & MacBook Pro have such poor response times it disguises the refresh rate to a large degree. If they go OLED in the future it will be more noticeable, but outside of gaming or video creation/ watching (which I don't do on a Mac) I don't think I'm going to miss the UI being twice as smooth.
 
I really hope that Apple implements a better SoC cooling system on the 15" MacBook Air. That way, you can occasionally run more complex apps without running into thermal throttling problems.
I do not think this is in the cards. I think they want to keep it smaller and lighter than the MBP. If you need serious horsepower, the MBP is the way to go.
 
I do not think this is in the cards. I think they want to keep it smaller and lighter than the MBP. If you need serious horsepower, the MBP is the way to go.
I always thought a 12" AS M2 MacBook would be more useful to carry around than a 11" M2 IPad.
Just think how light weight that would be with a normal keyboard/trackpad.
 
I'm expecting it to be the current Air but with a larger screen. Everything else will be the same as the current Air and the gap it fills in the lineup is clear - a cheaper, larger-screened laptop.

What's going to be interesting to see is the footprint of it. My main issue with using the 16" MPB on the move is the amount of space it takes up on a desk/coffee shop table/train table etc.
 
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Let’s hope the GPU configurations allow for two external monitors….pretty big blunder in the current Air. Less functionality than the hardware it replaced…
Why would this change just because it has a bigger screen? It won't.
 
What issues do you have that require a 120 display? Are you still going to buy it if it doesn't have a 120 display?
No issues! but I got used to using a 120 Hz Display. It would be ideal if Apple uses the same 120 Hz display. Even if MBA doesn't have the 120Hz I will still purchase one... Yeah, first-world problems.
 
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and why do we have to keep listening to the same rumors from Gurman? that we all ready seen like 1,000 times buy now can't wait to see when Gurman gets a wrong and the 15" dos not come at WWDC
Doesn't matter. If it doesn't, Gurman will use his mind wipe ray on everyone again and his perfect track record will remain intact.
 
People who wants a BIGGER screen for as little money as possible will buy this machine. To them the 14" MacBook Pro is a worse machine because the screen is smaller.
The 14" Macbook Pro is a worse machine because it has a fan. Fans should be illegal.
 
Here’s hoping for a single fan design. Starting to lean towards it not happening, just an Air. A fan is the only reason I’d need a MBP. Air would be fine if it had a fan.

A step between ultra portable and Pro machine in the laptop lineup would be nice.
 
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