Indeed. Candy Crush, Genshin Impact and COD mobile turnover each well over a $1b per year through iOS and Android, they don’t need PC or console gamers.
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I think you're right about point 1.
For point 2, from what I've heard it's not quite just a checkbox. There are a lot of things Apple says are just a checkbox but which don't practically work out very well. Like Catalyst or iPad apps on Mac. Some companies still seem to be having trouble finding that Apple Silicon checkbox. But Apple has dedicated developers and people are making the adjustments so practically speaking I think that'll be about right as well.
As for point 3...well this has always been the tricky bit. I don't think Apple quite has AAA developers over a barrel as you implied in the next post. We'll see if they're ready to cut the checks / make the deals this will take.
This image is such a testament to how insanely good Apple's marketing team is. Need to distract from the fact that someone is wearing a computer on their face and that it may be large? Here's a woman with her hair done in such a way that it is large, straight up, and prominent to distract from the computer on her face.
I'd wear that over the Vision Pro. Weight distributed better, more coverage, room for A/C.
"Hey! Y'all want a lower priced ScubaHeadSight ProPlusMaxUltra without the goofy eye gimmick no one can see if we're all wearing them? I know y'all were super excited for AppleGoogleGlass UltraPlusProMax with transport wheels for $999, but we got another AR/VR product nobody wants in a market struggling to maintain relevance."
"How much?"
"About 2 grand..."
"Still the price of a used car, and it doesn't fit in my pocket....."
"How much?"
"About 2 grand..."
"Still the price of a used car, and it doesn't fit in my pocket....."
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
You envision those 3 bullets as some onerous tasks? Rewording your own post...
I foresee Vpro as laptop-like screen substitution being as easy to slip on and off as using an iPad with separate screen... except of course also having complete privacy of whatever you want to work on on that screen and it being able to be ANY size instead of trying to work on big spreadsheets on tiny iPad screens.
But let's imagine it does take some added time to put 2 things away instead of one, what is that extra time? 10 seconds? 30 seconds? We know lunch is coming for upwards of 10-20 minutes after they come through and take the orders. There's plenty of time.
It's perfectly OK to not like or see any use for Vpro... but no need making mountains out of molehills. Use 2 hour battery life or cable on belt or cost or dorky or heavy or headache-inducing or motion sickness or any of the other quite tangible guesses of why this may not be a desirable product.
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HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
In virtual reality, you don't have to go to the bathroom for that mirror. Just summon a virtual mirror to stare at your creepy eyes... or stare at your creepy eyes staring at your creepy eyes... or stare at your creepy eyes staring at another set of your creepy eyes staring at another set of creepy eyes.
Or virtually remove/improve the creepy so you can stare at your not creepy eyes... or have super models staring at your not creepy eyes and telling you how beautiful they are. Etc.
Not in its current configuration.
Come up with something that is more in line with a pair of wrap around Oakleys and I would seriously consider that.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I'm VERY interested, mostly if it does ONE thing well: provides a huge screen for laptop-like (on the go) computing use... as obviously shown in the WWDC video...
If I can basically have my desktop 40" screen virtually with me every time I want to use a laptop, that will be enough for me. My desktop screen cost about $2K. $1500 more to have it anywhere I happen to be with a MB seems towards "bargain."
Doubt it? Spec a MBpro 16" for biggest possible mobile screen now from Apple as you want it. How much does that cost? If you don't know, "starting at" with minimal specs is $2499. Nicely specced easily gets into and above Vpro pricing... but limited to that 16" screen for life of device.
I'm actually envisioning potentially pairing Vpro with only the bottom half of a MB- in those "screen is broken" but bottom half is still fully functional scenarios, yielding a Mac that is more like Amiga 500 or Commodore 64 (all in one case with keyboard + trackpad + computer)...
It's not hard to imagine Apple even developing such an "accessory" for Vpro like that... with a big battery on board to keep that "half" Mac and Vpro going for many hours... perfect for the LONG flights where road warriors want to get a lot done (and sometimes lacking seat space to actually open existing laptops and use them).
Put it + Vpro in a laptop-like bag and we finally get the 17" MBpro that many still want... and a 20"... and a 24"... and a 30"... and a 40"... and a 50"... and an ultrawide... and 2 ultrawides, etc.
Whether that accessory is ever developed or not, no big deal. The broken screen ones already work that way now: remove the screen and enjoy the aMaca 500 or CoMacdore 64 today with existing physical screens. Connecting to super-size virtual Vpro screen(s) should be as easy.
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At the right price, I would be stoked to have a portable 50 inch 4k display, or several if they are virtual. E.g have a dual screen setup, one for browsing and the other one for YouTube.
For this use case, a lightweight ar glass will suffice, no need for a full blown out vision proI'm VERY interested, mostly if it does ONE thing well: provides a huge screen for laptop-like (on the go) computing use... as obviously shown in the WWDC video. If I can basically have my desktop 40" screen virtually with me every time I want to use a laptop, that will be enough for me. My desktop screen cost about $2K. $1500 more to have it anywhere I happen to be with a MB seems towards "bargain."
Doubt it? Spec a MBpro 16" for biggest possible mobile screen now from Apple as you want it. How much does that cost? If you don't know, "starting at" with minimal specs is $2499. Nicely specced easily gets into and above Vpro pricing.
I'm actually envisioning potentially pairing Vpro with only the bottom half of a MB- in those "screen is broken" but bottom half of the clamshell is still fully functional scenarios, yielding a Mac that is more like Amiga 500 or Commodore 64 (all in one case keyboard + trackpad + computer)...
It's not hard to imagine Apple even developing such an "accessory" for Vpro like that... with a big battery on board to keep that "half" Mac and Vpro going for many hours... perfect for the LONG flights where road warriors want to get a lot done (and sometimes lacking seat space to actually open existing laptops and use them.
Put it + Vpro in a laptop-like bag and we finally get the 17" MBpro that many still want... and a 20"... and a 24"... and a 30"... and a 40"... and a 50"... and an ultrawide... and 2 ultrawides, etc.
Whether that accessory is ever developed or not, no big deal. The broken screen ones already work that way now: remove the screen and enjoy the aMaca 500 or CoMacdore 64 today with existing physical screens. Connecting to super-size virtual Vpro screen(s) should be as easy.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Isn't iPhone just Android? Where is the innovation?
Isn't iPad just Fire Tablet? Where is the innovation?
Isn't Mac just PC? Where is the innovation?
If you can answer any of those questions, similar answers probably apply to yours.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Which one? I don't want blurry big screens (so no low resolution)... and needs to work easily with Mac. So point me to a great alternative and I'll be happy to look into it and hopefully get what I want for lower price, lighter weight, etc.
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Use as:
-Portable computer
-External display for your iOS apps
-3D cinema with content filmed using an iPhone 15 pro
-Augumented reality
Currently oculus use case has been limited to gaming.
Certainly they used to be with their whole ‘S-<noun>’ features that used to get scattergunned out every year but they’ve really refined things as time has gone on.
I see the Fold phones all the time on business-types And they’re really good from a productivity point of view. The number of companies jumping on the bandwagon (which is basically everyone but Apple at this point) shows that this is clearly a direction worth commercially pursuing.
Apple literally used the phrase ‘redefining the phone’ during the iPhone X presentation and every device from every manufacturer since 2010 has been a riff on the classic iPhone 4 design. Apple used to be the company that dictated how smartphones were perceived. The iPhone 12 was the company finally adopting things that had been on Android for years as standard across their line.
I don’t mean to do Apple a disservice here. The 15 Max is one of the best phones you can buy and probably the best iPhone in years but it’s also that way because it finally adopted things that had been standard on Android for a while. Apple still knocks it out of the park in terms of software polish but iOS isn‘t a bullet point on Apple’s cheatsheet.
Devils Advocate: Its an iPad Pro you strap to your face. Base your expectations on those capabilities.
The thing is this is a product that we secretly wish, just to escape our wives and kids...
Seems to me like people miss the main point when trying to extrapolate VP to other markets. I think the Vision Pro is clearly the MVP for AR. Just as with resistive screens back in 2007, it doesn’t matter how cheap the device is. If it doesn’t provide a minimum UX threshold, it fails. And this is extremely critical in AR.
If I don’t experience something which can be felt like reality, it will be a failure as an AR device - that’s the whole point of the device! It’s not about how much a 4K display is worth over a 2K display. It’s more a YES or NO: if it doesn’t provide a compelling reality experience, it’s not even competition. We’re in that stage.
And currently, that implies a very very expensive device, with the highest density displays out there, a lot of cameras and LiDAR sensors, high-speed processors and crazy good software that ALWAYS keeps the right perspective, casts shadows perfectly based on different materials, etc.
Doing acceptable AR is awfully difficult. If an app suddenly closes on a phone or PC, it’s okey. If a shadow is weirdly shaped on AR, it might ruin your experience. I think many don’t people realise how difficult is what Apple has done.
Some day in the future, we’ll have quantitative competition, based on specs. But until then, the question is more whether the Vision Pro should be launched now or not, not how it competes with (let’s say) the Quest 3.
If I don’t experience something which can be felt like reality, it will be a failure as an AR device - that’s the whole point of the device! It’s not about how much a 4K display is worth over a 2K display. It’s more a YES or NO: if it doesn’t provide a compelling reality experience, it’s not even competition. We’re in that stage.
And currently, that implies a very very expensive device, with the highest density displays out there, a lot of cameras and LiDAR sensors, high-speed processors and crazy good software that ALWAYS keeps the right perspective, casts shadows perfectly based on different materials, etc.
Doing acceptable AR is awfully difficult. If an app suddenly closes on a phone or PC, it’s okey. If a shadow is weirdly shaped on AR, it might ruin your experience. I think many don’t people realise how difficult is what Apple has done.
Some day in the future, we’ll have quantitative competition, based on specs. But until then, the question is more whether the Vision Pro should be launched now or not, not how it competes with (let’s say) the Quest 3.
Easy. Just support prescription lenses with Apple Vision Pro. Or sell two models: one not supporting prescription lenses (current one), and other only to watch 3D movies (or any movie on large area), allowing prescription glasses (which would also be a much much, much cheaper model, selling like hotcakes). Problem solved for all.
Probably Apple will not do that, unless forced to do it. If sales of the current Apple Vision Pro are scarce and people ask for the other model, Apple could make it. That would be awesome.
Probably Apple will not do that, unless forced to do it. If sales of the current Apple Vision Pro are scarce and people ask for the other model, Apple could make it. That would be awesome.