Gurman: No New Mac Studio and Mac Pro Until Mid-2025

[MacRumors]

Apple will not refresh the Mac Studio and Mac Pro with next-generation high-end chips until the middle of 2025, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

In the latest edition of his "Power On" newsletter, Gurman said that Apple's current schedule does not include the launch of new Mac Studio and Mac Pro models until the middle of next year. Apple last updated the Mac Studio and Mac Pro with M2-series chips at WWDC in 2023, meaning that they could go around 24 months without an update, even though the iPad Pro now contains the M4 chip.

All other Macs with the exception of the MacBook Air should be available with M4-series chips by the end of 2024, but Gurman does not anticipate any new models being unveiled at WWDC in June, making 2022 and 2023 exceptions for recent mid-year Mac releases.

Article Link: Gurman: No New Mac Studio and Mac Pro Until Mid-2025

 

[woolypants]

I doubt they sell enough Mac Studios to make updating more frequently worthwhile. I suspect they've probably yet to reach triple figures with the Mac Pro.

 

[SpotOnT]

So the Mac Mini will get M4 Pro while the Studio is on M2 Max?

 

[HeavenDynamic]

Looking forward to the M4 Max 14-inch MBP!

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

I call BS on this. They’ve literally just released M4 - how are they going to explain updating their laptops but not the desktops? They sell more, yes, but is it any wonder if they go and do stupid moves like this?

 

[gtmead09]

Gurman, just keeping throwing out things till they stick. Then when wrong, oh plans must have changed. Worse then a weather man…..

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

I call BS on this. They’ve literally just released M4 - how are they going to explain updating their laptops but not the desktops? They sell more, yes, but is it any wonder if they go and do stupid moves like this?

He means it will be announced in October 2024 but because they will sell like hotcakes your delivery will arrive in 2025.

 

[Hopefully Smarter]

It simply doesn’t matter.

 

[Stenik]

I call BS on this. They’ve literally just released M4 - how are they going to explain updating their laptops but not the desktops? They sell more, yes, but is it any wonder if they go and do stupid moves like this?

What we really need is a 30-32 inch iMac 6K.

 

[siddavis]

Pro
For the “they can work on multiple things at once” crowd, can they?

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

I have already pre-ordered Mac Pro M4 Extreme, 128GB, Blu-ray SuperDrive, Space Black, 8K tandem Cinema Display.

 

[MacBird]

Gurman, just keeping throwing out things till they stick. Then when wrong, oh plans must have changed. Worse then a weather man…..

Gurman is like Prosser 2.0

 

[ikir]

I think he is wrong this time. MacBook Air chip will keep 1 previous generation chip and it makes sense. Direct jump to M4 is perfect for differentiate pro lineup. iMac and MacBook Air stay on M3 for now, Pro machines gets M4 Pro and Max. Mac mini could offer a entry level with M3 and mid level with M4. Maybe pro chip are not ready yet ok but I don’t think we will see Air with 4 while Max Studio stays on M2 Max/Ultra

 

[JippaLippa]

Kinda makes sense.
I expect the M4 coming to the mac mini/imac this Autumn, with the Pro/Max variants ready by early 2025.
I think we'll see the M4 Ultra by May 2025.

 

[ikir]

I doubt they sell enough Mac Studios to make updating more frequently worthwhile. I suspect they've probably yet to reach triple figures with the Mac Pro.

You have no idea of global market numbers.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Will there be an event, though?

 

[Darren.h]

WOW1 this sucks. I waiting this long. in 2025 we should see 2nm Apple silicon Mac Studiios with Thunderbolt 5 and WIFI 7.

 

[xraydoc]

Makes me happy for my M3 Max MBP. Mac Studio power in a portable package.

 

[PsykX]

So basically, M3 Ultra will never exist.
This is why the M3 Max didn't have the connector.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Gurman, just keeping throwing out things till they stick. Then when wrong, oh plans must have changed. Worse then a weather man…..

Yeah, “plans have changed” depends on folks not understanding that hardware requires long lead times. There’s very little that can change six months before a delivery date.

 

[zedsdead]

While not great news, the Mac doesn’t just need new chips, there are other technologies the Mac can benefit from such as WiFi 7, Thunderbolt 5, OLED, Face ID and cellular (laptops). The Studio Display needs 120hz (likely won’t happen until Thunderbolt 5) and either mini-LED or OLED.

The M4 series of chips is will come to Mac Studio and Mac Pro once the rollout is complete. It is foolish that the base Mac Studio does not have the M3 Max in it since that chip does in fact exist.

 

[Populus]

If what Mark says is true, and we’re not getting studios until 2025, I suspect it’s because they will probably use N3P for the Max and Ultra variants of M4. While using the cheaper N3E for the M4 and M4 Pro, and putting them into MacBook Pro and Mac Mini.

But it’s still a bit weird. That would make the M4 generation longer than expected, and a good deal for those who value device longevity.

More and more reasons to jump to the M4 SoC generation.

Maybe the Mac Studio is such a powerful machine that really don’t need annual, or even biannual refreshes. An M2 Ultra is still quite competitive, especially regarding GPU performance, compared to the new M3 or M4.

The M4 Ultra, even in mid 2025, is going to be a huge jump in raw performance.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

So basically, M3 Ultra will never exist.
This is why the M3 Max didn't have the connector.

For what they’re designed for, they’re still the fastest Macs Apple makes. For folks that don’t need a system to be mobile and that requires “all the cores with all the RAM”, there’s nothing that Apple ships that comes close.

There will be folks, of course, not in the market for a Mac Pro, don’t own a Mac Pro and won’t buy a Mac Pro for any price that will still demand what the Mac Pro specs should be, though. That’ll never change

 

[Biro]

I suspect Gorman’s report is incorrect or at least incomplete. But, frankly, I don’t care. I bought my M2 Max Studio at Christmas 2023. I wouldn’t be trading it in for a number of years anyway - and it’s more than fast enough for my needs.

 

[Elusi]

Curious to hear how CAD/3D professionals who prefer (or used to prefer) Mac think about this. Does it matter that the RT-accelerated desktop Macs are getting this kind of huge release delay from the laptops?