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Guys, get 16 GB.
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Lets not forget that the RAM he bought most definitely is faster then the stock RAM he was using.
So yes, downgrade your RAM but take out the stock chips and leave the new ones in.
If u install win on a partition ull need to restart every time.
VM will use a lot of ram. 8gb should suffice though.
Rebooting is nothing with todays speed though, and it clears out your RAM and processes =)
I actually like shutting down my machine. However, most people on this forum never shut their computers down, any thread here about asking about shutting down the computer usually results in a barrage of posts against the OP talking about how it's completely stupid to shut down the computer and that clearing RAM is a myth in OS X.
Nope, the RAM I bought is the same old 1067 MHz DDR3 that would've shipped with the machine.
I have a 2011 4GB RAM MBA that performs just as well today as it did when I bought it. In fact I can argue that when it comes to speed, performance, and overall smoothness my 2-year old base-model MBA is slightly better than my 8GB RAM rMBP. I have no doubt it could go another two years. This is why I am absolutely certain that 8GB of ram is all the future-proofing I need for my particular usage patterns. No one can tell me otherwise. But then again I usually take 'max out everything' advice with a grain of salt.
and yet apple offers a base model of 4gb of ram. Apple, being a company who is obsessed with company ratings thinks 4gb is enough.
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My Chrome session is using 3Gb now - on Windows, but I doubt it would be different on OSX.
Web pages are getting more content rich, not less.
We can go back and forth all day. Some people haven't had problems, some people have and I would have no problems finding threads indicating as such. Personally I've been on the short end of that and I'm not going to be on the short end of it again anytime soon. $200 to me is not much on a ~$2600 machine all in with AppleCare and tax. $2600 or $2400 isn't a big difference spread out over at minimum 3 years, but more realistically 5+.
I guarantee you 3 years down the road we will see threads about Haswell machines acting slow, and they won't be the machines with 16 gigs.
Windows... using IE explorer and just loaded the same pages in Chrome at the same time. Im using less then 2 gigs.
Personally I would like to be able to put 32GB in these machines. This is because I'm one of the people that can max out as much ram as I can possibly throw at a machine by running virtual machines. That said, I believe that a regular user needs at least 8GB if they want to do any sort of computing intensive work these days. If you want the machine to last three years and still be fast you should get 16GB.
If you have no page outs, they'll both run just as fast on an otherwise equally specced machine. No difference at all. If you start to page out, that's when the slowdowns occur and it'll happen sooner on 8gb than 16gb, but that depends on your usage. You may never see a single page out depending on your usage.
EDIT: Slight correction: Actually since Mavericks does a lot of file caching to help speeds things up more (by keeping as much data as it can in RAM), you might also notice a bit of a slow down when it has to dump some of that cache to make way for other apps needing it, therefore next time an app, that has its cache flushed, needs to run it may be slightly slower at first in launching or in its responsiveness till it is yet again cached in memory. But the difference will be minimal. Page outs remain the biggest speed killer by far and with Mavericks, it's much harder to get it to page out with *normal* use.
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Yes we could go back and forth all day.....
The bolded portion.... That should tell you that RAM is not the issue. If RAM was the issue then everyone would have the problem, not just some people.
Im sure we will see slow acting machines in 3 years. It doesn't mean its because they only have 8 gigs of RAM. I guarantee you that will not be the problem.
With that said, Im done here. I made my case and its pointless to go back and forth any longer.
as an apple shareholder, i welcome people spending money unncessarily. i wished apple offerd 32gb of ram so you guys can get that to future proof your rigs.
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and yet computers are getting cheaper (chromebooks, cheap laptops) as people start using more and more tablets with less and less ram. Believe me, we've reached a point in computing where people are focused on efficiency AND performance instead of just performance.
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and yet computers are getting cheaper (chromebooks, cheap laptops) as people start using more and more tablets with less and less ram. Believe me, we've reached a point in computing where people are focused on efficiency AND performance instead of just performance.
With memory compression, I could see how someone could get by with a rmbp and 4gb of ram. When I say get by, I mean web browsing, email and watching HD videos without trying to run a bunch of other tasks. No VMs, no photoshop, etc...
Although at that point you'd be better off getting an ipad for half the price. The whole point in still needing a laptop is bc tablets still can't do anything more than basic productivity.
Although at that point you'd be better off getting an ipad for half the price. The whole point in still needing a laptop is bc tablets still can't do anything more than basic productivity.
Yeah Im sure the base MacBook Pro can not handle photoshop :roll eyes: .....at all ..... in fact editing pictures will cause several minutes of lag and beach balling.
Dude, u gotta be kidding right?
No wonder there is clueless folks starting threads on what rmbp they should get for their extensive need tasks of emailing and web browsing.
To clarify once again: The rmbp with 4gigs of ram can photoshop, aperture, iMovie, play some netflix and have 20 tabs in safari open, all at the same time, without any glitch whatsoever.
U can't be telling me apple sells u a machine for 1300,- that opens ****** emails!!
i got a brand-new mba at home with haswell and yes ! 4gigs of ram.
it runs and multitasks like greased lightning.
It actually fells faster than the 8gig haswell rmbp i am writing on at the moment. maybe cuz it doesn't hav to support the retina.
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...neither of which run OS X, so why even bring them up?
Exactly. Might be a different ballgame if you could easily drop 16 gigs in down the road for $80, but you can't. You have to live with the choice you make today for as long as you own the machine.
Personally I'm not someone who upgrades my machine all the time like a lot of people. When I buy a laptop, I'm very selective and get the best that I can, something I truly love and I take absolutely beautiful care of it with the intention to use it for quite a long time. The last time I bought a computer, not counting the Air that I bought in January '09 and sold less than a year later, was my 2008 original unibody MBP that was a fully loaded CTO (2.8 C2D, 4 GB RAM, 320 GB 7200 RPM HDD) that I loved to death. Apple replaced it in 2010 with my current machine under AppleCare, and having just upgraded the RAM/SSD in this one, I see no reason this can't last another 2+ years. Maybe Skylake or beyond will be my next computer, so I always like to spend money once, get what I love and what I know will be enough for the life of the machine, and be done with it.
I bring it up because people talk about e-mails/web surfing/netflix/etc
wait that sounds like stuff i do on my phone!
Man you are crazy..with only 1GB
Hm and actually iOS is derived from OS X.
u need at least 8gb for web browsing! everyone knows this!
When everything is moving to html5 and co pronsites still use a lot of flash
But what the hell are you doing to get 3gb?! ^^
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