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Guys, get 16 GB.
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My IDE is a hog (500 MB), flash, lots of photoshop files, audacity. I wasn't getting getting beachballs all the time but it enough that it caused a few short seconds of lag that the 8MB made everything so much more snappy.
It all depends on the user. Computers these days are quite future proof. If you're just watching movies and doing typical things, you won't need the 16GB of ram. I would be fine with 2GB. 
OS's are getting optimized a lot better (Vista was stupid).
SSD + Decent CPU/GPU and you're set for quite awhile.
OS's are getting optimized a lot better (Vista was stupid).
SSD + Decent CPU/GPU and you're set for quite awhile.
I occasionally have PS CS6 and Aperture 3 open at the same time. I'll definitely be getting 16MB!
For future proofing definitely!
I can already feel the lag on my dual core.
So if u r a college student u better get another job. Because trust us:
You will need that 15" top end model.
It all depends on the user. Computers these days are quite future proof. If you're just watching movies and doing typical things, you won't need the 16GB of ram. I would be fine with 2GB.
OS's are getting optimized a lot better (Vista was stupid).
SSD + Decent CPU/GPU and you're set for quite awhile.
2gb? Really.. I need 16gb minimal
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And when your usage pushes you from barely under that 95% into the 5%, then you are looking at another $2k+ layout for another machine.
If it takes you 5 years to reach that point, your machine had a good run, and you might just be due for an upgrade.
Assume that the extra 8GB buys you an extra year of usage, something we cannot validate as it will depend on the user. So you spend $200 for an extra year. How much more does your machine depreciate for that extra year? That's one more model past what you already have.
For most people, this is not some sort of $200 guarantee. It assumes no hardware failures out of warranty, no damage caused by the user, no theft, etc. No other parts, like the CPU or the SSD, becoming a limiting factor.
If it takes less than 5 years, then you aren't in the 95% that iluvbeer99 mentioned.
Who the hell uses the same computer for 3 years?
1 year is enough, buy the new one when it's released and sell your old one.
It's faster, safer (you won't be using an old machine that could fail in any moment and will probably cost you a fortune to repair it) and not very expensive. (keep in mind you don't need apple care).
I can't even imagine using a 2010 macbook pro.
Core 2 Duo, dual core, TN screen, low-res, usb 2.0.
Haha, what a joke!
Who the hell uses the same computer for 3 years?
The vast, vast, vast majority of people.
Considering Apple replaced my machine for free with a better one at the two year mark, I'm ahead of someone who takes the biggest depreciation hit and sells their machine every year. It might not cost a lot to upgrade every year, but it still costs more than someone who keeps their machine longer - it's no different than a car depreciation.
Who the hell uses the same computer for 3 years?
1 year is enough, buy the new one when it's released and sell your old one.
It's faster, safer (you won't be using an old machine that could fail in any moment and will probably cost you a fortune to repair it) and not very expensive. (keep in mind you don't need apple care).
I can't even imagine using a 2010 macbook pro.
Core 2 Duo, dual core, TN screen, low-res, usb 2.0.
Haha, what a joke!
If you calculate inflation into that method, its perhaps the worst financial advise I've seen on this board.
Who the hell uses the same computer for 3 years?
1 year is enough, buy the new one when it's released and sell your old one.
It's faster, safer (you won't be using an old machine that could fail in any moment and will probably cost you a fortune to repair it) and not very expensive. (keep in mind you don't need apple care).
I can't even imagine using a 2010 macbook pro.
Core 2 Duo, dual core, TN screen, low-res, usb 2.0.
Haha, what a joke!
7 years here. Still handles 60% of my needs.
Just bought :
15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display
$2,299.00
With the following configuration:
2.3GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.5GHz
16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
256GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
Accessory Kit
I went to the apple store and easily hit 7.68GB of usage under a mild scenario .. No VMs were used. I'm sorry, but 8GB is the minimum for a 2013 machine. For all of those making jokes, you'd be amazed at how much memory chrome uses once you get several tabs loaded. Further, if you have any understanding of how a computer's memory hierarchy works or how modern Operating systems work, you'd understand the more RAM you have, the more things can be cache'd.
If i'm already paying $2,000 for a machine, I'm sorry, but an extra $200 isn't ***** to ensure it is going to be a solid machine for ~4-5 years... $40 more a year.. big woop. My problem would be actually be with dropping $2,000 on a machine and then within a year noting that I am hitting the RAM limits.. and oh wait, I can't upgrade it. If you are pushing into the 15" mbp space, you are already deciding you want performance. If 8GB was suitable, I would have opted for the Feb 13' MBP w/ a dual core and not quad core processor.
But whatever... To each is their own. I have the machine I need and I guess for others 8GB is just fine for 4-5 years.
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My 2007 17" MBP can't even play HD youtube videos w/o the fans going ballistic.. it burning a hole in my leg and both cores new 70-80% usage... and that's after putting a SSD drive in it.. 4GB RAM.
15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display
$2,299.00
With the following configuration:
2.3GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.5GHz
16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
256GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
Accessory Kit
I went to the apple store and easily hit 7.68GB of usage under a mild scenario .. No VMs were used. I'm sorry, but 8GB is the minimum for a 2013 machine. For all of those making jokes, you'd be amazed at how much memory chrome uses once you get several tabs loaded. Further, if you have any understanding of how a computer's memory hierarchy works or how modern Operating systems work, you'd understand the more RAM you have, the more things can be cache'd.
If i'm already paying $2,000 for a machine, I'm sorry, but an extra $200 isn't ***** to ensure it is going to be a solid machine for ~4-5 years... $40 more a year.. big woop. My problem would be actually be with dropping $2,000 on a machine and then within a year noting that I am hitting the RAM limits.. and oh wait
, I can't upgrade it. If you are pushing into the 15" mbp space, you are already deciding you want performance. If 8GB was suitable, I would have opted for the Feb 13' MBP w/ a dual core and not quad core processor.But whatever... To each is their own. I have the machine I need and I guess for others 8GB is just fine for 4-5 years.
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My 2007 17" MBP can't even play HD youtube videos w/o the fans going ballistic.. it burning a hole in my leg and both cores new 70-80% usage... and that's after putting a SSD drive in it.. 4GB RAM.
Say what? My Mavericks 2011 13" MBP 2.7ghz 8gb ram is lagging with photoshop (2 photos open), Adobe bridge, Chrome (5 tabs), Aperture (main library open), iTunes, and couple PDF files open.
$200 on a $2000+ laptop should not be considered an issue.
If all you do is watch movies, go on the internet and email, go for the 8gb. Hell if thats all you do, the 11" MBA is just as fine.
I remember back when 8gb was such a godsend. God damn it people, buy 16gb's if you need it. If you don't, feel free to make a thread in 5 years asking how to speed up your computer.
I'm not, because it's an asinine, blanket claim without regard to how different people use their computers. For some users, 16GB absolutely makes sense. For others, depending on their usage and their upgrade horizons, 8GB makes sense.
Telling people what they "need" to do, and basing that statement on a whole bunch of assumptions, is the height of arrogance.
Must be lonely looking down your nose at everyone else.Who the hell uses the same computer for 3 years?
1 year is enough, buy the new one when it's released and sell your old one.
It's faster, safer (you won't be using an old machine that could fail in any moment and will probably cost you a fortune to repair it) and not very expensive. (keep in mind you don't need apple care).
I can't even imagine using a 2010 macbook pro.
Core 2 Duo, dual core, TN screen, low-res, usb 2.0.
Haha, what a joke!
I have a family who gets hand me down computers. I use a mid-2012 cMBP with 16gigs of RAM(4->16). The misses uses my old 2.53Ghz C2D with 8 gigs of RAM(upgraded twice). My son used my older still, 1.83 CD(RAM upgraded once) for playing minecraft.
Perhaps I should just spend $6k every year then, right?
SMH
Your conclusion is flawed because your assumptionthat the extra RAM suddenly will make it a "solid machine" half a decade lateris flawed. Moreover, your entire calculus is flawed. Saving that $200 now and earning a reasonable rate of return on that, and in turn upgrading your computer sooner, makes a lot of sense. It is especially logical given that add-ons like RAM depreciate more steeply than a basic machine itself.
Guys, get 16 GB.
Didn't say it was fun.
9 months ago, I put in an SSD to buy time for Haswell.
As much as I love this old slugger, I'm not going to miss it.
Things I can't do with it, 4GB ram and SSD:
- HD YouTube
- 1080p mkv
- Lightroom without beach balling every time I move a slider.
- Photoshop anything.
I can still have 60 tabs spread across 3 browser windows for research though.
Didn't say it was fun.
9 months ago, I put in an SSD to buy time for Haswell.
As much as I love this old slugger, I'm not going to miss it.
Things I can't do with it, 4GB ram and SSD:
- HD YouTube
- 1080p mkv
- Lightroom without beach balling every time I move a slider.
- Photoshop anything.
I can still have 60 tabs spread across 3 browser windows for research though.
Actually, his advice was sound. You're assuming some things about resale and purchase values that are incorrect. I've been using yearly upgrade cycles since 2004. It can be incredibly cost effective, done right.
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