Hack Pro or Mac Pro?

[300D]

i do disagree with your statement that the hack will not be reliable or need constant maintenance.

Personal opinion doesn't change factual data that hackintrash computers are nowhere near as reliable as the real deal.

Would there be any legal repercussions from using illegally** using OS X for production reasons?


**I'd like to see a court case that supports this, but it is against the EULA.

Did you not follow the illegal clone company case?

It's an End-User License Agreement, not a federal law.

Which is a legal contract.

Besides, the chance of you getting caught is astronomically tiny.

So is robbing the 7-eleven, by your logic thats okay as well?
Both activities will have a minuscule effect on the global revenue, neither cause physical harm to anybody and the likeness of getting caught for either is very small unless you do something really stupid.

The law is the law. There is no choosing which ones you like and which ones are okay to break, they all must be obeyed. Just because you can get away with it doesn't mean its acceptable.

 

[Erasmus]

Personal opinion doesn't change factual data that hackintrash computers are nowhere near as reliable as the real deal.

Let me ask you a question: If someone were to buy a Windows computer, as well as a copy of OSX, and didn't install it, would this hurt Apple?

If someone built their own custom PC, bought a copy of OSX and didn't install it, would this hurt Apple?

If someone makes a hackintosh, does this hurt Apple?

As I assume you answered "No", "No" and "Yes" in your ignorance, might I ask how the act of installing user purchased software on user purchased equipment for the user's own personal use can possibly affect anyone but the user? Or is there some step in the process that I'm missing which involves the death of puppies?

The law is the law. There is no choosing which ones you like and which ones are okay to break, they all must be obeyed. Just because you can get away with it doesn't mean its acceptable.

You know what else is against the law? Gay marriage and euthanasia. In the past it was women and non-white people voting. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Not all laws should be followed.

EDIT: Erasmus is aware that this is not the correct use of "QED".

EDIT 2: Victim of the multi-post nazi.

EDIT 3: Still trying to teach the concept of humour to all.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

That's not quite how that phrase is supposed to be used.

Did you not follow the illegal clone company case?

That's completely different from my question.

Which is a legal contract.

A legal document that hasn't been tested in court. Just because someone agrees to a legal document doesn't mean the document is entirely valid or even supported by our government. It's not like I can take your soul legally no matter how many documents you sign, nor can one contract someone to carry out a murder.

 

[Mackilroy]

Personal opinion doesn't change factual data that hackintrash computers are nowhere near as reliable as the real deal.

Sources for this factual data, please.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Sources for this factual data, please.

You'll be hard pressed to find any. A home built computer is as reliable as you make it.

 

[Erasmus]

You'll be hard pressed to find any. A home built computer is as reliable as you make it.

Not to mention that if it all does fall over, you just boot up in Windows.

 

[DoFoT9]

Personal opinion doesn't change factual data that hackintrash computers are nowhere near as reliable as the real deal.

"factual data" indicates that the ONLY differences between a Mac and Hack are the BIOS differences (EFI vs BIOS) - given that one can buy EFI compatible PC motherboards, please outline to me exactly where the differences are?

 

[Hellhammer]

Personal opinion doesn't change factual data that hackintrash computers are nowhere near as reliable as the real deal.

You have never even tried one so why on earth are you replying? It's as stable as real Mac

Did you not follow the illegal clone company case?

Building them for selling purposes is different from building for home use. There is a company in Germany that has been selling them for years but Apple can't do anything because EULA is not valid in most European countries.

The law is the law. There is no choosing which ones you like and which ones are okay to break, they all must be obeyed. Just because you can get away with it doesn't mean its acceptable.

EULA isn't even valid here 🙄 And no, Finland isn't poorly governed, it's because you would accept EULA when you open the package without even seeing the terms and conditions which is not acceptable by Finnish law.

 

[parakiet]

Just find one of the guys who did it. Most of them are very kind. 😉

yeah, nice forum over there.
but i need need to do some more research before popping questions ^^

anyway, that machackidea is really getting in to me!

 

[Mackilroy]

You have never even tried one so why on earth are you replying? It's as stable as real Mac

Actually, I think he has tried one. No idea for how long, though.

 

[Phantom Gremlin]

Building them for selling purposes is different from building for home use. There is a company in Germany that has been selling them for years but Apple can't do anything because EULA is not valid in most European countries.

I probably shouldn't get involved, because these types of arguments become very acrimonious. But against my better judgement ...

The clone maker admitted in court that they weren't buying individual retail copies of OS X and installing those copies individually on each computer. They said that was too much trouble to do. They were cloning a previously installed copy of OS X from hard disk to hard disk.

So, IIRC, in the USA, Apple's EULA hasn't been properly tested in court.

 

[grame]

for an experiment i thought i'd try snow leopard on the desktop pc i no longer use since i got my macbook pro - and it worked so amazingly well that i've started to use it again. no less stable than my macbook pro. and quite a bit more powerful it's utterly charming to have another mac to hand.

 

[flatfoot]

for an experiment i thought i'd try snow leopard on the desktop pc i no longer use since i got my macbook pro - and it worked so amazingly well that i've started to use it again. no less stable than my macbook pro. and quite a bit more powerful it's utterly charming to have another mac to hand.

Just out of curiosity: What are the specs of your desktop?

 

[grame]

ga-55-ud3 motherboard,2.6 ghz i5 quad 750 overclocked to 2.8ghz, geforce 8500gt, 4gb ocz ram, firewire pci card, bluetooth usb dongle, samsung 1tb drive.

the only thing that doesn't work is my pci wifi card. for a while i was able to use bluetooth to piggy-back my macbook airport connection but i can't remember how i did it. ho hum.

using snow leopard on it it just means i can use it again - which is kind of nice.

 

[DoFoT9]

ga-55-ud3 motherboard,2.6 ghz i5 quad 750 overclocked to 2.8ghz, geforce 8500gt, 4gb ocz ram, firewire pci card, bluetooth usb dongle, samsung 1tb drive.

the only thing that doesn't work is my pci wifi card. for a while i was able to use bluetooth to piggy-back my macbook airport connection but i can't remember how i did it. ho hum.

using snow leopard on it it just means i can use it again - which is kind of nice.

LOL how could you possibly stop using a powerful machine such as that? but good on you for installing OSX onto it 😀

 

[gaspra]

Hackintrash is never a good option. Its illegal (except in a few poorly governed countries) and it greatly harms Apple.

It's actually another way around. I built my hackintosh before I bought a real mac. I didn't want to spend much to get a real mac before I knew if I like it or not (I was a Linux user exclusively). Now I have mac mini, macbook pro and a Mac pro.

Apple doesn't care too much of individual hackers because they know it won't hurt them, it is indeed a good marketing strategy!

 

[grame]

LOL how could you possibly stop using a powerful machine such as that? but good on you for installing OSX onto it 😀

the first time i tried it was on an older quad core. i used it mainly for music recording but when i got the macbook pro i didn't really like using windows anymore and did my music exclusively on that.

when osx worked on it and i realised i would use it i went out to the local computer fair and upgraded the ram, motherboard and processor. came to about £300. and £25 for the snow leopard disk. it's a similar spec to the new imac which is kind of weird. nowhere near as pretty. but the experience is identical to the macbook - and this is what i wanted. reaper flies on it so i'm quietly delighted.

 

[highdefw]

You could always go buy the original OEM parts from resellers and put a Mac Pro together yourself. You get the EXACT system Apple offers, but for easily 1/2 the cost.

 

[DoFoT9]

the first time i tried it was on an older quad core. i used it mainly for music recording but when i got the macbook pro i didn't really like using windows anymore and did my music exclusively on that.

when osx worked on it and i realised i would use it i went out to the local computer fair and upgraded the ram, motherboard and processor. came to about £300. and £25 for the snow leopard disk. it's a similar spec to the new imac which is kind of weird. nowhere near as pretty. but the experience is identical to the macbook - and this is what i wanted. reaper flies on it so i'm quietly delighted.

im running mine off of an E4600 + crappy low end mobo, once i got it running it was fine! ive since decided to change the computer to a few other things (server based) - but it was perfectly fine. it just goes to show that done right, you can have an extremely stable unsupported machine running OSX fine.

You could always go buy the original OEM parts from resellers and put a Mac Pro together yourself. You get the EXACT system Apple offers, but for easily 1/2 the cost.

couple those cheap parts with an EFI based mobo and all you need to do is put in the disc and install 😀

 

[Wild-Bill]

Hyopcrite

Personal opinion doesn't change factual data that hackintrash computers are nowhere near as reliable as the real deal.

Where is this "factual data" of yours??????

Sounds like a personal opinion to me.

You're still only using PowerPC Macs. No wonder your so biased. 🙄

Do everyone a favor and stay OUT of the hackint0sh threads.

 

[Altimeter88]

Where is this "factual data" of yours??????

Sounds like a personal opinion to me.

You're still only using PowerPC Macs. No wonder your so biased. 🙄

Do everyone a favor and stay OUT of the hackint0sh threads.

I would love to build a high-end hackintosh to replace my 06 Mac Pro, I have looked into it many times over the past year but it seems every time there is a update you have the potential to run into problems with hardware etc. I don't know how true that is now but it seems from reading on hackintosh user boards that they are always trying to tweak drivers to get things to work right etc. Reading these types of posts has basically prevented me from taking the plunge. I am willing to do some work to keep a hackintosh running smoothly, I have a flashed PC graphics card in my Mac Pro currently (which at times is a PITA around update time), but if it becomes a constant headache with updates, editing kexts, waiting for a fix, etc...well then I guess how much is your time worth.

If this is not true anymore and someone has an X58 based i7 high end system that runs Apple updates regularly with no regards to driver problems afterwards I would love to hear them post their experiences, just seems the anecdotal evidence I have seen has prevented me from going out and buying the parts to do it...and I am a guy who actually kinda enjoys this type of stuff but I just don't have the time right now if it becomes a problem.

 

[flatfoot]

I would love to build a high-end hackintosh to replace my 06 Mac Pro, I have looked into it many times over the past year but it seems every time there is a update you have the potential to run into problems with hardware etc. I don't know how true that is now but it seems from reading on hackintosh user boards that they are always trying to tweak drivers to get things to work right etc. Reading these types of posts has basically prevented me from taking the plunge. I am willing to do some work to keep a hackintosh running smoothly, I have a flashed PC graphics card in my Mac Pro currently (which at times is a PITA around update time), but if it becomes a constant headache with updates, editing kexts, waiting for a fix, etc...well then I guess how much is your time worth.

If this is not true anymore and someone has an X58 based i7 high end system that runs Apple updates regularly with no regards to driver problems afterwards I would love to hear them post their experiences, just seems the anecdotal evidence I have seen has prevented me from going out and buying the parts to do it...and I am a guy who actually kinda enjoys this type of stuff but I just don't have the time right now if it becomes a problem.

Have a look at this and this. You may also want to contact some of the X58 users from Tony's forums, especially Rabbit74, who found out that a P55 board with an i7-875K (I think it was) is actually more powerful than an X58 board with an i7-930.

 

[Mackilroy]

I have an EX58-UD5 with an i7-930. I've had no trouble with updating since 10.6.2. It was both extremely easy to build this machine, and to keep it updated. The only updates you ever have to watch out for are point updates, and not always then.

I do no maintenance on my hack (same as on my Mac Pro) and it doesn't crash, doesn't KP, works quickly and reliably.

Flatfoot, of course it's going to be faster, it has a higher base clock speed and an unlocked multiplier. P55 motherboards don't support triple-channel RAM or have as many PCIe slots available, though, and that's important to some people. They also don't have hexacore processors available for P55 yet.

 

[flatfoot]

ga-55-ud3 motherboard,2.6 ghz i5 quad 750 overclocked to 2.8ghz, geforce 8500gt, 4gb ocz ram, firewire pci card, bluetooth usb dongle, samsung 1tb drive.

the only thing that doesn't work is my pci wifi card. for a while i was able to use bluetooth to piggy-back my macbook airport connection but i can't remember how i did it. ho hum.

using snow leopard on it it just means i can use it again - which is kind of nice.

Hey, that's the same board I use! 😉
As for overclocking, set the Vcore to [NORMAL], all advanced CPU features to [ENABLED] and BCLK to 160. You'll end up with 3.2GHz, SpeedStep and Turbo Boost (-> up to 3.84GHz on one core) enabled, Geekbench 64-bit ~9,200 at stock voltage.

For native AirPort have a look at this. I did that myself and it's super-easy.

 

[flatfoot]

I have an EX58-UD5 with an i7-930. I've had no trouble with updating since 10.6.2. It was both extremely easy to build this machine, and to keep it updated. The only updates you ever have to watch out for are point updates, and not always then.

I do no maintenance on my hack (same as on my Mac Pro) and it doesn't crash, doesn't KP, works quickly and reliably.

Flatfoot, of course it's going to be faster, it has a higher base clock speed and an unlocked multiplier. P55 motherboards don't support triple-channel RAM or have as many PCIe slots available, though, and that's important to some people. They also don't have hexacore processors available for P55 yet.

=> Triple-channel RAM doesn't yield a huge power-plus.