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Hackers Release 1 Million iOS Device UDIDs Obtained from FBI Laptop

CplBadboy said:
Aint no difference between us and the likes of North Korea, its just that our Iron Fist wears a silk glove :D
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Winning Statement of Hyperbole Bowl 2012.

Geez. You really have zero comprehension of what it's like to live in a totalitarian state like N. Korea. I have many disagreements with the "in the name of security" rationale being allowed to weaken Constitutional Rights here in the U.S., but, there is zero comparison between the diabolic N. Korean dictatorship and any western-style government.


And the fact here is, almost every post in this thread is knee jerk. All we know is that the FBI had the information. We don't know whether they obtained it actively, though a direct request, or if it was compiled from evidence seized though the years. We also have no information to indicate they intended to do anything extracurricular with it.
 
gnasher729 said:
Trying not to be too cynical, but these guys will have a small database of UDIDs soon :rolleyes:

I was thinking what a hacker could do with this database, and I cannot really think of anything. All that you would have is a list of a million UDIDs of iOS devices, and you would know that they found their way onto an FBI owned computer. A UDID on its own is harmless, it is only dangerous when it can be connected to other information. And when you have lots of "other information", you can put together all the information about some UDID and do things with it. But here the only connected information is "UDID turned up on an FBI computer".
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According to the story:

a list of 12,367,232 Apple iOS devices including Unique Device Identifiers (UDID), user names, name of device, type of device, Apple Push Notification Service tokens, zipcodes, cellphone numbers, addresses, etc.
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What lots of "other information" do you think they would need to do something with it? There already seems to be lots of other information.
 
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AaronEdwards said:
According to the story:



What lots of "other information" do you think they would need to do something with it? There already seems to be lots of other information.
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From the hackers -

there you have. 1,000,001 Apple Devices UDIDs linking to their users and their
APNS tokens.
the original file contained around 12,000,000 devices. we decided a million would be
enough to release.
we trimmed out other personal data as, full names, cell numbers, addresses,
zipcodes, etc.
not all devices have the same amount of personal data linked. some devices
contained lot of info.
others no more than zipcodes or almost anything. we left those main columns we
consider enough to help a significant amount of users to look if their devices
are listed there or not. the DevTokens are included for those mobile hackers
who could figure out some use from the dataset.
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I don't know if I am on the list because I'm at work and don't care to download this file to my work laptop; however, I too wonder what we should be concerned with here. Aside from the true obvious of course but spelling it out for the layman (woman) wouldn't hurt.

To me, if these people are pissed at the FBI they're really hurting all of us to prove their point, I think.
 
Escher2112 said:
I don't usually comment, but I cant help it this time..

What astounds me is how many US folks 1)just accept this type of thing as the defacto standard and say "get over it" or 2) are shocked that is is happening.

Make all the tinfoil hat statements you like - but if even 1% of the "tinfoil hat" stuff is true - we are in for a very rude awakening.

If you really want some good bedtime reading - do a search on the following topics:
bohemian grove
fema coffins
Guillotines in America
georgia guillotine bill
the bilderberg group
freemasonry illuminati

ohh and it goes on and on...

I realize this post will incite rioting in the streets and I'll be banned - ohh well..

Look folks - at the end of the day - whether any of its true or not - realize one thing - there will never again be a chance to reclaim the "power of the people" in the US. And you are kidding yourself if you think that the "democratic system" works - that has been broken ever since the invention of the "career politician".

We have allowed too much control to be taken in the name of "peace" and "helping our fellow man". Bottom line is - get used to not having any privacy.

You can bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is going on - but when you finally realize whats happening it will be too late.

Personally - I'm glad that these folks were brave enough to release this info - even though I'm sure they painted a huge target on their back for doing so. We need more people who are willing to hold the government to task and expose whats really going on.

ohh - and dont stress about if your ID is or isnt on the list - I can guarantee you are on a list somewhere unless you have no online or electronic signature at all.

and one last thing- since this may be my last post and all :)

Before you call the tinfoil brigade and start waving the troll banner - I ask you one thing - did you research *any* of the suggested search topics?
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Yes. They were all conspiracy theorist drivel.
 
Scary stuff. No matter if you argue that our info has already been stolen, it's up to the collecting agencies to keep it secure. While this can't be 100% guaranteed (nothing is), it is still disconcerting to think that AntiSec has information that could be potentially sold/used for evil. I don't want my info easily attainable by anyone, ESPECIALLY a hacker group! I wonder if I should wipe my iPad clean now to reset the APNS Token?? Not sure if that would even help at this stage...

Permissions for developers is a serious issue and needs to be re-evaluated. They don't need all of your information for a fart app. They can still make their money and give us our privacy.
 
Everyone picks on Adobe Flash but, Java is probably the biggest security hole on everyone's computer. More then anything else in the internet world, Java needs to be kicked to the curb, there are better, more secure solutions these days.
 
what concerns me....

Why was this data on a machine owned by the FBI? The implications of that worry me more than any other part of this story. Did Apple provide this information to the spooks?
 
I checked my iPhone and iPad and neither were in the list of 1 million. Although, I don't know what, if any, damage could happen if my UDID was known. If by chance my name, email and/or telephone numbers were listed, I would be concerned to say the least.
 
The only reason they released the UDIDs is to show the FBI is tracking them. It's to prove the US Government is is violating privacy in every way possible. The sick part is it is legal under the Patriot Act.

Ironically, this is just like those few episodes from the Newsroom, when the NSA agent comes to Daniels about how the NSA is tracking every communication on everyone, everywhere.
 
jdawgnoonan said:
Why was this data on a machine owned by the FBI? The implications of that worry me more than any other part of this story. Did Apple provide this information to the spooks?
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Presumably because it's part of, or related somehow to an investigation of some sort, could be anything really. The name of the file starts with NCFTA, which is National Cyber-Forensics & Training Alliance. It could the result of some bad guy who have harvested the information that they are investigating, I'm obviously guessing here but.

I find it hard to believe that it's some systematic monitoring however, why would that appear as a single csv file on some guy's desktop, that does not make sense to me.
 
gnasher729 said:
Trying not to be too cynical, but these guys will have a small database of UDIDs soon :rolleyes:

I was thinking what a hacker could do with this database, and I cannot really think of anything. All that you would have is a list of a million UDIDs of iOS devices, and you would know that they found their way onto an FBI owned computer. A UDID on its own is harmless, it is only dangerous when it can be connected to other information. And when you have lots of "other information", you can put together all the information about some UDID and do things with it. But here the only connected information is "UDID turned up on an FBI computer".
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Apparently you didn't read the post. The hackers stripped the list of personal information before releasing it. So there's a very good chance most of these UDIDs have personal info attached to them.
 
Really?

I think the FBI needs to devote more resources to secure information rather than getting it. if they can't keep a lid on it.

What else was in that laptop? I'm sure it wasn't the "iOS user" laptop, and that was it's only purpose.

I don't mind that they collect it, it's MY government, but I DO mind if they collect it and don't secure it.
 
Well I'm not one of the 1 million released. I do wonder if I was part of the 12 million though. Either way, I think someone has some explaining to do.
 
Good to see that the Tin Foil hat club are out in force today.

What I find hilarious is that so many of you are so concerned that the FBI or government has this data, but you are quite happy to let Apple or some random App developer have this data without it concerning you at all. Not to mention every time when you give this information away freely when buying things online or (in many cases) entering competitions or just surfing the web.

Has it never occurred to you that the government (any government) has access to pretty much every detail of your life, including much more potentially damaging information than is included in this file? They know where you live, your medical history, your DOB, your bank details, your income, your next of kin, spouse, full family history, they know where you go when you leave the country, how much you paid for your house, if you've ever been arrested or charged with any crime, your full employment history, etc etc etc.

If you want privacy then go and live in a tent in the woods, without a job, bank account, phone, or internet connection. Or of course leave the country and go and live in a country where they don't keep such information, but then it would be a 3rd World country which wouldn't offer you most of the freedoms and protection that we all take for granted everyday.

Anyway, I better stop posting now or else they might track me down...
 
Wtf?!?

This is absolutely a watershed moment for Apple ....

Steve?

His head would've exploded & he'd've gotten to the bottom of this INSTANTLY.

It'll be interesting to see how "Mr. Laid Back Southerner" responds & what he does about it ....
 
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