Halide 2.15 Lets Users Take Shots With Zero Computational Processing

[nottorp]

Photon Camera from Latenightsoft aka the old Camera+…which was sketchy sold and the people started afresh. The old Camera+ app was outstanding, but I won’t install it now that it is owned by someone else who doesn’t answer their emails.

I just noticed Apple still does not list what the IAPs are on the app store page (at least if you check it out on a desktop).

Does this thing shoot to jpeg? I don't care about raw, I don't have pro photographer dreams. I just want "AI" away from my photos.

 

[Artsketch]

Overpriced gimmick at 12 MP only, if someone doesn't want over processing and more fine detail there is still 48 MP ProRAW and tools like Lightroom. I sold my 15 Pro and bought the 14 Pro again because it has even more fine detail in 48 MP ProRAW.

 

[JohannesO]

✌️lifetime✌️ purchase 🙄

but hey others wouldn’t even offer non subscription.

For 59,99 $ you can get physical cameras probably without AI 😝

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[NightFox]

For 59,99 $ you can get physical cameras probably without AI 😝

Sure, but are you going to keep those charged and carry them around with you at all times?

 

[ignatius345]

✌️lifetime✌️ purchase 🙄

but hey others wouldn’t even offer non subscription.

For 59,99 $ you can get physical cameras probably without AI 😝

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Yikes. Those look like some truly janky Amazon specials. Anybody on here debating image quality is probably not looking to buy **** like this.

 

[nottorp]

Yikes. Those look like some truly janky Amazon specials. Anybody on here debating image quality is probably not looking to buy **** like this.

I suppose you could turn those into decent cameras by replacing the lenses with something 500+ worth

 

[RTG4869]

I’m still trying to understand how this is different from the 12 MP RAW images that you could shoot with the previous version of Halide. Is this a repackaging of that feature (by saying zero
AI, given the current sentiment around it) or a different process?

(I’m a subscriber to Halide)

 

[Astrohunter]

Hey Alex! Lots of camera apps out there, of course Glad you are doing your thing.

I wasn’t aware of mood camera but going by your site, you use ProRAW or JPEG as well as color presets. That’s all a lot more processing than we do - we always work with native RAW and do not apply any presets, and we skip the entire iPhone processing pipeline. We start with the raw sensor data.

Again, lots of room to do different things in the App Store, and plenty of room for us to all get along. Dismissing lots of our work as just ‘nice branding’ isn’t very fair though! I am sure your app is a lot more than just a nice brand, too.

Is there an intervalometer and 30s+ long exposures in Halide in zero processing raw mode?

 

[dlopan]

Greap app, stupid subscription. I'll use the built in app from apple and ON1 to post process

 

[numenorian]

I’m still trying to understand how this is different from the 12 MP RAW images that you could shoot with the previous version of Halide. Is this a repackaging of that feature (by saying zero
AI, given the current sentiment around it) or a different process?

(I’m a subscriber to Halide)

Based on this reddit post it seems like it's the same RAW file. Process Zero is their new method of processing the raw into HEIC/JPEG. Seems geared toward people who don't do their own raw processing but don't like Apple's processing either. I agree it's confusing marketing (perhaps intentionally so, perhaps not), but a nice feature to have.

 

[tedwill]

With all the AI I saw in Google's presentation yesterday, it makes you want to get back to the basics and have real simple photos (with imperfections).

This is why I shoot raw with Leica. I do love my iPhone photos for quick shots of where I parked, but the image processing is so prevalent in too many HDR photos. This Halide application helps to add the joy of photography back to the iPhone.

 

[Cocoi]

Overpriced gimmick at 12 MP only, if someone doesn't want over processing and more fine detail there is still 48 MP ProRAW and tools like Lightroom. I sold my 15 Pro and bought the 14 Pro again because it has even more fine detail in 48 MP ProRAW.

As far as ‘gimmicks’ go, we aren’t outputting 12 MP shots by choice. there’s simply not a way to get access for developers to 48MP raw data. ProRAW is 48MP, yes, but it is arguably not ‘raw’ - it’s demosaicked, and processed, so that doesn’t really work if you want to opt out of image processing that Apple does.

If 48MP raw ever comes to the APIs (we’ve asked Apple!) we’ll of course support that. This isn’t just Apple being dense, it’s challenging because of the layout of the quad bayer sensor.

 

[Cocoi]

This is why I shoot raw with Leica. I do love my iPhone photos for quick shots of where I parked, but the image processing is so prevalent in too many HDR photos. This Halide application helps to add the joy of photography back to the iPhone.

I love to hear this! thank you — that is tremendously high praise I will share with my friend who I build Halide with.

 

[Astrohunter]

I love to hear this! thank you — that is tremendously high praise I will share with my friend who I build Halide with.

Could you answer my question please? As I'm looking for an app that is able to do that.

"Is there an intervalometer and 30s+ long exposures in Halide in zero processing raw mode?"

 

[Artsketch]

it’s demosaicked, and processed, so that doesn’t really work if you want to opt out of image processing that Apple does.

48 MP ProRAW images are still better than your overpriced app.

 

[RTG4869]

Based on this reddit post it seems like it's the same RAW file. Process Zero is their new method of processing the raw into HEIC/JPEG. Seems geared toward people who don't do their own raw processing but don't like Apple's processing either. I agree it's confusing marketing (perhaps intentionally so, perhaps not), but a nice feature to have.

@numenorian Ah, thanks for that. They also have a follow up comment that further explains the difference.

 

[Cocoi]

48 MP ProRAW images are still better than your overpriced app.

Better is super subjective, but if that works for you, that’s great! There’s lots of apps on the App Store (and a camera app on your iPhone) if you don’t like what we do! RAW data is by definition raw and native raws on phones are really rough - you got tiny sensors, tiny lenses, not a lot of light — that’s why so much processing is often used to get better shots. And it’s really magical: just look at what night mode can do. Then look at raw files from process zero. That’s what it uses to make those shots - it’s kind of mind blowing, actually. Good luck getting even a single star visible with a default single frame shot on an iPhone.

We charge what we do because we’re two dads and this is our sole source of income. No need to be mean in a forum. Not sure what we did to get so much ire from you but I hope your day gets better.

 

[Cocoi]

Could you answer my question please? As I'm looking for an app that is able to do that.

"Is there an intervalometer and 30s+ long exposures in Halide in zero processing raw mode?"

Sure! Sorry, got a bit lost in the hubbub. There is no intervalometer - just a self timer. 30s exposures aren’t possible with the native API - your cameras can only capture up to 1 second without combining frames. We can’t support Night mode (and its 1-30s ‘exposures’) as there is no API for that.

We do have another app, Spectre, that does long exposures by combining frames. It’s not RAW, but that has its perks too. It’s free for up to 3 seconds if you want to give it a shot.

 

[Astrohunter]

Sure! Sorry, got a bit lost in the hubbub. There is no intervalometer - just a self timer. 30s exposures aren’t possible with the native API - your cameras can only capture up to 1 second without combining frames. We can’t support Night mode (and its 1-30s ‘exposures’) as there is no API for that.

We do have another app, Spectre, that does long exposures by combining frames. It’s not RAW, but that has its perks too. It’s free for up to 3 seconds if you want to give it a shot.

Thanks for answering.

I need to shoot with zero processing because I need it for astrophotography unfortunately.

So far haven’t found anything better than “Slow Shutter” app.

It has intervalometer and long exposure tiff format. But lacks manual focus.

 

[Cocoi]

I agree there’s something for everyone and I think Halide is a great app, however from trying out your new feature, to my eye it just looks like a “RAW” photo, which is fine.. but you’ve branded it to try and make it out to be more than that. I don’t want to start a fight, just saying how I see it.. maybe you can enlighten me.

Btw, in mood.camera you can use the “Stock DIGI-N” preset and you’ll just get ProRAW images without any sharpening.

Sure, perhaps you aren’t quite understanding the image processing pipeline? ProRAW images aren’t really technically a real raw — as in, raw data — a raw file is typically raw sensor data. That is to say, not pixels! RAW files have to be turned into pixels by a process called ‘Debayering’ - since photo sites on the sensor collect green, blue and red intensities, you can use various (one-way) algorithms to deduce pixel color and brightness values and compose a bitmap. This process is often also adjusted for with various parameters: you can think of exposure, white point, contrast — once the bitmap data is available, denoising and more. Apple does a lot more than that: their ISP delivers bitmaps to the image pipeline, and they take LOTS of them to combine them into one single shot. In doing so, you inherently noise reduce (you are averaging color values after all), smooth over things, but they also do semantic analysis to do more or less noise reduction or detail enhancement or color adjustment for certain things.

ProRAW does all that too, it just does it with higher quality and a bit less heavy handed processing (ie. some sharpening steps are skipped, etc. — apple obviously does not document what it does or doesn’t, but you can observe it pretty well). ProRAW files are bitmaps. They have been debayered; they have processing baked in, and are always the result of multi-frame merging and Apple’s imaging pipeline.

By your saying ‘you can use this preset to get a ProRAW image without sharpening’ it sounds like you are equating a ProRAW file sans-sharpening to a native RAW file, which isn’t really comparable. For one, the latter isn’t yet an image. We use Process Zero to make it an image: our own minimal pipeline generates the image from one frame, as opposed to Apple’s multi-frame method. Going from your website you are always using Apple’s processing, but putting adjustments on top of that.

I hope that clarifies things. you were also commenting on our Instagram that you have ‘had this feature for a while’ — feel free to get in touch if you want to talk more about this, but I think you’re not correct. We’re happy to talk about it directly if you feel like this is at odds with your product.

Badmouthing us or dismissing years of hard work as mere branding isn’t a nice way to show up in the little community of iPhone photography. We’re all just making cool stuff! Let’s be nice to one another and respect the work.

 

[zapmymac]

I just noticed Apple still does not list what the IAPs are on the app store page (at least if you check it out on a desktop).

Does this thing shoot to jpeg? I don't care about raw, I don't have pro photographer dreams. I just want "AI" away from my photos.

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It says full manual control BUT does not specify either way that AI is involved. JPEG and heic -yes

I think they have a free trial ✌️

 

[soundweave]

I just noticed Apple still does not list what the IAPs are on the app store page (at least if you check it out on a desktop).

Does this thing shoot to jpeg? I don't care about raw, I don't have pro photographer dreams. I just want "AI" away from my photos.

The app "NoFusion" takes ProRAW and saves directly to heic, so you get a softer "less AI" look but the space savings of heic. Have just started using it and pretty happy with it. Even allows live photos which apple does not allow at 48MP or ProRAW, not sure how the dev did that but it's pretty amazing.

I tested Halide's process zero and it makes a remarkably clean image as well. Much better than standard 12MP which includes apple processing in the pipeline even in RAW (part of the downsampling?). You can save RAW+HEIC but then you're dealing with RAWs.

 

[Cocoi]

That is somewhat confusing about stock camera labeling — ‘RAW’ and ‘RAW MAX’ are ProRAW, not native RAW. The Apple Camera app has never saved regular 1-shot bayer raw files.

 

[Artsketch]

That is somewhat confusing about stock camera labeling — ‘RAW’ and ‘RAW MAX’ are ProRAW, not native RAW. The Apple Camera app has never saved regular 1-shot bayer raw files.

Nevertheless, I can capture more details in 48 MP ProRAW than in Halide process zero.

 

[Cocoi]

The API doesn’t allow 48MP native RAW, so that’s always going to be a limitation. Regardless, you can capture 48MP ProRAW in Halide, too — with more control at that. Or you can use Apple Camera. Or another app. Lots of apps can