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Don't overestimate swiss time peaces. My Maurice Lacroix ( really expensive one ) was off time and could not be fixed, my titanium T-Touch II failed completely after the first battery exchange. Now I wear no watch and will probably buy a smartwatch in 2015.

I'm not. But Swiss time pieces are the standard at which all watches are measured are they not?
 
No argument there, but it wasn't my point. Great info though, thanks.

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Why would you take offense if I am comparing the 2? Sounds a bit insecure, I'm not going to apologize for owning one. Should I refer to it in 3rd party terms? Ok let me compare my moto 360 with this Rolex that for some odd reason is lying around my house. Weird.

I miss the down vote feature from MacRumors. I wish they would bring that back.
 
First you said that the only reason they made one was because they heard apple was.

I could have worded my original post better, you are correct. Thanks for your input. My point is (if I was writing more clearly) that if there were no rumors of an Apple smart watch, would any of these companies really have put a lot of effort into watches? Would anyone have cared? Few people care about Samsung's current crop of watches (it was obvious that Samsung barely cared) and few care about smart watches in general. Many geeks love the idea but most people don't care.

However, lots of people care about Apple so what Apple does drives the market. It's like Google Glass. No one cares and most people think they are creepy. I'd buy them if I had the money to spare but that's just me. Now, what happens if/when Apple develops a set of smart glasses? People would want them. A lot of people would want them. People would care. That's the power of Apple. That's why I said Samsung and other only really developed smart watches - because Apple was rumored to do it. If they had their own ecosystem and brand loyalty like Apple and had Apple's profitability, then they'd not need to be as reactionary.

/time to go back to my Nexus 4 and dumb (feature?) watch (that I don't wear and haven't worn in more than 10 years). In other words, I'm not going to purchase an Apple Watch, I've never even owned an iPhone.
 
The iphone and ipad revolutionized and or created and improved on devices that we used or were starting to use in our daily lives so much already. I mean the design, and ease of the iphone and the touch screen. The ipad has replaced many people computers for the most part. The Iwatch is an accessory that you need to have an iphone with you at all times that you can't compare it with the iphone or ipad. It just doesn't do anything on its own that is different or better than the iphone.

Again with the Ipad - there was a market for tablets, this was identified years ago and again with the competitors, no credible ones. This is being dismissed for valid reasons, putting aside the lack of functionality, it's freakin ugly, plus its fragile. It's not even waterproof! I'm not saying smart watches won't end up being worn by the masses at some point in the future, but what I'm saying is this model iWatch won't. It fails on many levels. It will probably still sell a reasonable amount, but that doesn't make it any good.

I mentioned the iPad specifically because it demonstrates the typical behaviour of people when confronted with a new product after massive hypes. I also think that people’s high opinions of the initial iPad and iPhones are misguided. These products weren’t in any way revolutionary or incredible, but bloomed due to various factors.

The iPad was shunned and mocked heavily when it was introduced, regardless of the fact that there was a market for tablets. It was generally considered an upscaled iPhone. Even Steve Jobs said so later on, when he admitted that the success of the iPad caught even him by surprise. The iPad’s potential only became really apparent when consumers and developers got their hands on it. The same is to some extent true for the first iPhone. Multitouch wasn’t new technology, the software was rudimentary at best and lacked many features other smartphones had at the time, not even the camera or signal reception were great. The controls are what fascinated people about the iPhone, but it wasn’t until the App Store when things truly took off and developers started showing people what they could do. That is what made the iPhone and iPad great products, smartphones in general became a lot more popular afterwards.

I see many parallels with today’s introduction of the Apple Watch. This is just the first product of this category released by Apple and I can see that it addresses several concerns that people had with competitors’ devices. But we have to remember that the technology isn’t optimal yet. Battery life and space is limited, so we can’t avoid a limited feature set and dependence on the smartphone. The crucial thing for Apple is that they took the geekiness out of the smartwatch and added many tools for developers to let them do their magic. If that hurdle is overcome, the smartwatch will probably really take off.

You should stop having such high expectations of Apple. They don’t work with magic. The Apple Watch is a very interesting take on the smartwatch with Apple’s typical attention to detail, refreshing user experience and fun elements. Google sees the smartwatch as just another device that runs Android. Apple devotes much more attention to the smartwatch itself, including its integration of some new hardware features that aren’t on any Android Wear device yet.
 
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So funny as I wonder what you will say when these sell in the millions? In my circle of friends of 8 people, 7 love it and want one day one...

Apple could paint an old Iphone 1G gold, throw in some fancy marketing and be able to sell it in the millions. Selling lots of products does not mean the product is any good. If that were the case the US auto industry would have ceased to exist 40 years ago.
 
I don't think it looks as bad as some of these "ugly/fugly" comments but it did not wow me the first time I saw it. Perhaps it looks better in person?

The software looks better than anything I have seen on a smart watch.
 
I don't think it looks as bad as some of these "ugly/fugly" comments but it did not wow me the first time I saw it. Perhaps it looks better in person?

The software looks better than anything I have seen on a smart watch.

Apple Watch has a paralyzing design. Remember when BMW changed the design of their cars years ago ? Nobody liked and now people like it.

I watched the live stream and my first thought about the design was OMG. I expected something like the Moto 360. Now I watched quite some pictures on apple store and I start to like the watch and I am impressed about the multiple variations offered.
 
Looks like a pretty cool device. But honestly, since it requires that an iPhone be in your pocket, I don't at all see the use for it. I mean, all this stuff they're showing it can do, would be a million times easier to do if I just take half a second to pull my phone out.

I guess if, in the future, it doesn't require an iPhone to be in your pocket, it might be kinda cool.

I don't get it. It seems to be solving a problem that didn't need to be solved and it was made just because it's a kinda cool idea and we have the tech to make it.

And as for how it physically looks - well, I don't see how it could look any better really. The ui and control thing seems pretty cool.

It's just kinda like....ehhhh.
 
I want this. Now. :cool:

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I like the concept of the watch but the two things are making me hold off for now are:

It doesn't seem to be waterproof

It needs the damn iPhone at all times.

Until they fix these, I will wait.
 
Looks like a pretty cool device. But honestly, since it requires that an iPhone be in your pocket, I don't at all see the use for it. I mean, all this stuff they're showing it can do, would be a million times easier to do if I just take half a second to pull my phone out.

I guess if, in the future, it doesn't require an iPhone to be in your pocket, it might be kinda cool.

I don't get it. It seems to be solving a problem that didn't need to be solved and it was made just because it's a kinda cool idea and we have the tech to make it.

And as for how it physically looks - well, I don't see how it could look any better really. The ui and control thing seems pretty cool.

It's just kinda like....ehhhh.

Like the iPad, IMO. A big iPhone where you cannot make phone calls. However, it's the device I use most at home.
 
First of all apple's width looks huge and chunky compared to 360.
Notice all the watch pictures you see is of the mini. not the full or bigger size.
I have yet to see actual footage of the regular size. And there's a reason for that.
They are hiding it, just like they are hiding the battery life. Disgusting.
Its huge and alot clunkier than 360. huge is an understatement

meanwhile 360 looks good when worn even from the side:

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look at it being displayed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA4vs-g_pq8

I'm sorry but im not wearing this toy.

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Really? For me, the Moto is oversized and trying too hard to be elegant, whereas Apple Watch is easily elegant without trying too hard.

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Like the iPad, IMO. A big iPhone where you cannot make phone calls. However, it's the device I use most at home.

Right, but the iPad is better at things than the iPhone and you don't NEED an iPhone in your pocket at all times for the iPad to work.

But it's like, okay, I can get texts on the Watch. Cool but replying to one would be a thousand times easier if I just take an extra second to pull out my phone (and overall, using the phone would be faster) and do it. Unless I'm a jerk and don't even want to take an extra second to actually type a response to the person.

Maps seems ridiculous to use beyond just checking a turn-by-turn direction.

Like...what else is there....? Weather? Calendar? Okay. I can just pull out my phone and swipe down and get a BETTER view of these things and all the other widgets and notifications I have on my phone at the same time. So it's actually easier, quicker and better to do all this stuff on my phone....that I NEED to have on my anyways. I'm sure there are a few things that might be sightly more convenient like music control or something, I dunno, but for $350+ and having to now have a thing on my wrist all the time...?

Seriously, I'm not trying to be negative and I love the **** out of Apple and tech and I'm looking forward to playing around with a Watch. But unlike my initial thoughts and ideas about the usefulness of the iPad and iPhone...I just don't see it here and I don't see anything they could even do in the future (beyond not requiring an iPhone!!!!) that makes this interesting beyond novelty.

But I hope I am wrong and this thing is super awesome and useful!
 
Apple Watch has a paralyzing design. Remember when BMW changed the design of their cars years ago ? Nobody liked and now people like it.

I watched the live stream and my first thought about the design was OMG. I expected something like the Moto 360. Now I watched quite some pictures on apple store and I start to like the watch and I am impressed about the multiple variations offered.

Are you referring to the rear deck lid design fiasco that was intro'd on the 7 series? Yep...that was ugly...on the 7 series it was quite bad, not horrendous but certainly not graceful and not what one expects from BMW design. It looked like the trunk area was tacked on as an afterthought. Oddly it translated to the 3 series in a more sculpted way and actually wasn't bad. BMW eventually softened it out and blended it more gracefully on the 7s, thankfully.

Apple Watch, no amount of lipstick or strap changes will get it to the design level of what Apple is CAPABLE of delivering.

I am glad Apple went back to the soft rounded edges on I6. Never upgraded to the 4/5 simply because I didn't like the looks (wife and kids are all on 4s/5s).

But then again, in a trend against larger-is-better.. I'd love it if it Apple came out with an iphone the size and maybe even the shape of an Apple TV controller. Yep...iPhone Mini (I'm trademarking that tonight). All glass front with a slightly ovoid crossection ..blended seamless edges like the 6...only a sliver of aluminum showing around the edge.....slick like the mockup of the Apple-ized Nike Fuel...and in a size that doesn't cause lumpy pockets in slacks and is light as a feather.

THAT IMHO would be a thing of functional beauty and simplicity in my mind...no openings/plugins/not a single switch/button...both sides have a usable screen...camera lens is built in to the screen and not visible..and everything is wireless...bluetooth headset/earbuds...wireless charging...slick-clean-contemporary sculpture...sigh.

But what do I know? I'm just a dumb country-boy...

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Apple Watch has a paralyzing design. Remember when BMW changed the design of their cars years ago ? Nobody liked and now people like it.

I watched the live stream and my first thought about the design was OMG. I expected something like the Moto 360. Now I watched quite some pictures on apple store and I start to like the watch and I am impressed about the multiple variations offered.

Are you referring to the rear deck lid design fiasco that was intro'd on the 7 series? Yep...that was ugly...on the 7 series it was quite bad, not horrendous but certainly not graceful and not what one expects from BMW design. It looked like the trunk area was tacked on as an afterthought. Oddly it translated to the 3 series in a more sculpted way and actually wasn't bad. BMW eventually softened it out and blended it more gracefully on the 7s, thankfully.

Apple Watch, no amount of lipstick or strap changes will get it to the design level of what Apple is CAPABLE of delivering.

I am glad Apple went back to the soft rounded edges on I6. Never upgraded to the 4/5 simply because I didn't like the looks (wife and kids are all on 4s/5s).

But then again, in a trend against larger-is-better.. I'd love it if it Apple came out with an iphone the size and maybe even the shape of an Apple TV controller. Yep...iPhone Mini (I'm trademarking that tonight). All glass front with a slightly ovoid crossection ..blended seamless edges like the 6...only a sliver of aluminum showing around the edge.....slick like the mockup of the Apple-ized Nike Fuel...and in a size that doesn't cause lumpy pockets in slacks and is light as a feather.

THAT IMHO would be a thing of functional beauty and simplicity in my mind...no openings/plugins/not a single switch/button...both sides have a usable screen...camera lens is built in to the screen and not visible..and everything is wireless...bluetooth headset/earbuds...wireless charging...slick-clean-contemporary sculpture...sigh.

But what do I know? I'm just a dumb country-boy...
 
Apple Watch has a paralyzing design. Remember when BMW changed the design of their cars years ago ? Nobody liked and now people like it.

I watched the live stream and my first thought about the design was OMG. I expected something like the Moto 360. Now I watched quite some pictures on apple store and I start to like the watch and I am impressed about the multiple variations offered.

Are you referring to the rear deck lid design fiasco that was intro'd on the 7 series? Yep...that was ugly...on the 7 series it was quite bad, not horrendous but certainly not graceful and not what one expects from BMW design. It looked like the trunk area was tacked on as an afterthought. Oddly it translated to the 3 series in a more sculpted way and actually wasn't bad. BMW eventually softened it out and blended it more gracefully on the 7s, thankfully.

Apple Watch, no amount of lipstick or strap changes will get it to the design level of what Apple is CAPABLE of delivering.

I am glad Apple went back to the soft rounded edges on I6. Never upgraded to the 4/5 simply because I didn't like the looks (wife and kids are all on 4s/5s).

But then again, in a trend against larger-is-better.. I'd love it if it Apple came out with an iphone the size and maybe even the shape of an Apple TV controller. Yep...iPhone Mini (I'm trademarking that tonight). All glass front with a slightly ovoid crossection ..blended seamless edges like the 6...only a sliver of aluminum showing around the edge.....slick like the mockup of the Apple-ized Nike Fuel...and in a size that doesn't cause lumpy pockets in slacks and is light as a feather.

THAT IMHO would be a thing of functional beauty and simplicity in my mind...no openings/plugins/not a single switch/button...both sides have a usable screen...camera lens is built in to the screen and not visible..and everything is wireless...bluetooth headset/earbuds...wireless charging...slick-clean-contemporary sculpture...sigh.

But what do I know? I'm just a dumb country-boy...

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Looks like Apple's forum server(s) is overloaded tonight...got an error message to such when I submitted my response ....and then 3 copies of my reply appeared...can't be a bug at Apple..so must be a new multi-cast "feature"....:)
 
Fine. It's still not an attractive piece of hardware. Jony I've is quickly showing he is nothing without Jobs.:

Agreed. If this gains traction I am giving up all pretense of a forcaster. I was similarly unimpressed with the ipod, but once i saw itunes I realized what a great product that would be. There is no similar missing context here. What you see is what you get, and what I see is an ipad nano on a wristband--give or take. The ui is clever but a good implementation of a bad concept wont go far.

I think this is an inflection point as to how people percieve apple. The midas touch has been replaced by the champagne touch. Let the sell off begin
 
... I dunno, but for $350+ and having to now have a thing on my wrist all the time...?

Seriously, I'm not trying to be negative and I love the **** out of Apple and tech and I'm looking forward to playing around with a Watch. But unlike my initial thoughts and ideas about the usefulness of the iPad and iPhone...I just don't see it here and I don't see anything they could even do in the future (beyond not requiring an iPhone!!!!) that makes this interesting beyond novelty.

But I hope I am wrong and this thing is super awesome and useful!

At this stage how useful is :apple:watch remains to be seen, since the actual use of it will have to wait until 2015. (I suppose comments like you will be appreciated more by Apple engineers and apps developers because they have several months to work that out). Apps will use the tech that :apple:watch already can offer, including haptic feedback, pressure gesture, movement feedback, NFC payment (or any NFC pass such as bus, doors, etc), iBeacon which utilise geo sensors and other health sensors. Sending haptic messages to the other person is an interesting features, taptic engine still can't be replicated with iPhone. Also, quick glancing for notification is useful and Siri can be used more conveniently.
 
Looks really cool, and I could see myself using this. But it's not worth $350.

I also feel that Apple are just jumping on the band-wagon. Samsung has a smart watch, Motorola has a smart watch. Google are releasing one.... So Apple are just filling the gap.

It's cool. But not for $350.

You do realize that the rumors of Apple releasing a watch predate even Samsung's first watch by a year? They didn't jump on a bandwagon, the bandwagon jumped on just the rumor alone.
 
I don't think the AppleWatch's ability to send orgasms to your friends accidentally is going to catch on... really... I don't.

I really thought Apple would have come up with something that oh I don't know -- did what watches are good at doing, liek... HOW ABOUT TELLING TIME WITHOUT NEEDING A BATTERY/RECHARGE FOR A COUPLE YEARS???

Forget 50 nano-second-time BS... No one gives a damn, no one will even know.
 
That's the normal price to fill up an SUV, and there's no shortage of those amongst "poor" people. Mine just happens to be a sedan & requires premium.

Well It's not like that in Australia. And that's all I can comment on as I am not from the USA.

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Not for a watch. That is a very reasonable price actually.

Actually I agree. That's why hardly anyone around here wears a decent watch.
 
The iPad was shunned and mocked heavily when it was introduced, regardless of the fact that there was a market for tablets. It was generally considered an upscaled iPhone. Even Steve Jobs said so later on, when he admitted that the success of the iPad caught even him by surprise.


I pad was a hit from day one because it priced out $500 under expectations. The app store was already fairly robust--every one could see the potential because of the dramatic success of the iphone. If your quote is accurate, Jobs is the only person caught off guard by the success of that product.

The i watch has now successful antecedent--it is breaking new ground. No one has any idea why they need or want one.
 
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