Hands-On: iOS 11 Brings Major Updates to the Camera and Photos Apps

[recoil80]

Anybody have any information about how HEIF compresses photo's? Reducing file sizes by 50% seems to indicate it would loose quite a lot of information (perhaps in fine details).

It should provide good quality with better compression. And it is optimised for burst photos and even live photos, so I can see why they adopt the new format.

Does anyone know more about the technical details about the new formats who has been using them? Are they still good looking? Is everyone going to adopt them instead of JPEG? If I send them to a friends computer will it be transparent to them or will they need new software to read them?

Your pics will be converted to JPG when you'll send them via email or whatsapp, so you don't have to worry about compatibility.

 

[zapm]

Does anyone know more about the technical details about the new formats who has been using them? Are they still good looking? Is everyone going to adopt them instead of JPEG? If I send them to a friends computer will it be transparent to them or will they need new software to read them?

It should provide good quality with better compression. And it is optimised for burst photos and even live photos, so I can see why they adopt the new format.



Your pics will be converted to JPG when you'll send them via email or whatsapp, so you don't have to worry about compatibility.

Here's some technical details about it.

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/503/

 

[simon lefisch]

FCPX will support HEVC.

The question, when will iTunes support it?

Yea I'm not really concerned with iTunes since I encode my own movies and use Plex.

Funny, but not surprising, that Apple is so slow to adopt h265. Adobe Premiere has had it for some time now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[bellang]

Wonder if you can now add comments to your photos on iOS and not have to use the Mac or iCloud.com?

 

[iDento]

Yea I'm not really concerned with iTunes since I encode my own movies and use Plex.

Funny, but not surprising, that Apple is so slow to adopt h265. Adobe Premiere has had it for some time now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I use Plex too and I love it but iTunes support will allow me to easily transfer movies to my iOS devices, I know Plex Pass would do that but it's not perfect.

 

[konqerror]

As, in this world you rarely get something for nothing.

If a new format gave 5% or 10% over a previous one, I'd understand that, but 50% for free, seems a LOT.
[doublepost=1497346946][/doublepost]Here: http://nokiatech.github.io/heif/comparison.html

Video is way better than a gif (but you would expect that)
but Images, saving no where near 50%

The demos show that at similar file sizes, the quality is much better. They don't show what happens when you keep quality the same.

JPEG is brain-dead simple. I explain its lossy compression in two sentences. They started developing it in 1986, it was literally constrained by the technology in the 640 K of RAM days. A quarter-century later, it is no surprise at all you can do much better.

 

[overcast]

Here's the real question. Can we actually stop the unmirroring of front facing camera images when saved? Or at least provide a mirror option in the editor? No one likes selfie pics, because it's actually the unmirrored version of what you shot.

 

[Applestock]

Yea I'm not really concerned with iTunes since I encode my own movies and use Plex.

Funny, but not surprising, that Apple is so slow to adopt h265. Adobe Premiere has had it for some time now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They wanted to wait until they had hardware support so the overall experience isn't compromised by slow speed and poor battery life. Kabylake processors have it.

 

[chmarch]

Is anyone able to show me....

I'm looking for the interface in iOS 11 of adding an existing photo (mainly from the camera roll) to an existing shared photo stream on iPad (I have iPad Air 2). At the moment, it is incredibly difficult to scroll my numerous shared photo streams with the very small scrolling window in the center of the screen. Here is my example in iOS 10... https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3kSfk0DVj_YWmhVWGJGUXVNN1E Any information is greatly appreciated.

 

[Johnreturns]

When Photos makes the full screen map with pins at photo locations like iPhoto did, I'll switch to Photos.

You mean like this??

 

[JKAussieSkater]

Is the "Hidden" photos album password/Touch-ID protected yet?
Have they stopped including "Hidden" photos in the "All Photos" album yet?
And if not, is the "All Photos" album password/Touch-ID protected yet?

 

[dysamoria]

Why no RAW/DNG support for photos? all I shoot is RAW now that apps like lightroom/vsco allow for it, but always find myself having to change from the default camera to an app to take a photo now.

Why are we the only two people on this forum who care about this?

 

[dypeterc]

What case/skin is this?

 

[Eorlas]

Did you even read the article?

They weren't there when I posted.

 

[MarcoPohlo]

So I don't know if anyone tried, but my wife recently shared photo through messages with me and when I looked into details it was in .jpeg format. However of course on hers iPhone it's in HEIC. Also she has the toggle "Keep Originals" on, albeit it only works when connecting through cable.

So I tried to send her heic photo back, and here are some things I've learned.

When sending through messages, mail etc, the photo keeps its original resolution, but is in .jpeg format.
When sending through iCloud Photo Sharing, the photo has only half the resolution and it's in .jpg format.
When sharing through AirDrop, photo keeps its original resolution and is in .jpg format.

Seems kinda odd, but I bet they will fix that in the future. I want to share HEIC with everyone, especially with other iDevices. However I was really surprised that the resolution of photos shared through iCloud Photo Sharing is so low.

As far as file sizes go with one file shared differently:

• Extension .jpeg shared through iMessages has 2.6 MB
• Extension .jpg shared through iCloud Photo Sharing has 740 KB, that's because it's half the resolution.
• Extension .heic not shared and only imported through cable has 1.1 MB

Note: JPEG and JPG extensions are interchangeable, I specify them just to demonstrate how weird those sharing options are.

When you have your iCloud Photo Library turned on then of course all images are in HEIC.

Update: When choosing the "Save to Files" option, it's also in JPG.