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Hands On with a Physical Mockup of the iPhone 5

Aidan5806 said:
I take pride in being neither blind nor stupid:p. But i do just get iriated when people complain about things like this being called "incremental" or "just a stretched 4s". its just not and the sad thing is people are still going to buy it even if they're the ones complaining. Same deal with the people who said the new ipad is really just the ipad 2s.
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The issue is that ALL smartphones constantly change, and apple is getting more and more behind.

Its all been done by others and faster/better. Take the 4s (and no I dont care that 5 or 6 or whatever is about the be released thats apples choice a 1 release every year) its slower in a lot of area's then the current crop of just as expensive or even cheaper smartphones less storage/screen estate/connectivity/...

Frankly the consumer doesnt care how difficult for apple it is to get simular results then others, they care about a great phone.

So yes for the consumer it is just a faster (if they dont just plop in a 32nm a5x soc) slightly larger iphone 4s with iOS 6/LTE/whatever else apple includes.
 
Mr Fusion said:
That translates into "Poor engineering resulted in aesthetic design sacrifices." Doesn't sound like the Apple I know.
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It's the same reason there are cutouts in the metal case on the iPhone/iPhone3G/iPhone3GS, as well as every generation of iPad + cellular.

So that DOES sound like the Apple you know.;)
 
The *REAL* reason for the two tone design

Plain and simple. Without the two tone the new iPhone will not look different from the iPhone 4(s), when held in one hand and making a phone call. :D

The two-tone IMHO satisfies those purchasers that WANT AND MUST show that they have the newest gadgets. :cool:

I am going to grab the new iPhone, because I like iOS and I have an iPhone 4 and my contract is up.
 
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Michael Scrip said:
You never said it was terrible.

I said that people buy iPhones because they like them... so they must NOT be terrible.

And that was a reply to your original comment... that said the iPhone is only purchased because of hype.

You seem to be stuck on the hype thing... when the fact is more people are choosing phones other than the iPhone.

Is the iPhone really the hype-machine when it's only 15% of the market?

I bought my iPhone 4S because I wanted it... not because it was hyped up. I purchased it because I liked iOS and its apps... not because it was over-hyped or exaggerated.

Maybe we are getting confused on the definition of "hype"

Yes... there is excitement around every iPhone launch... including next week, in September 2012.

But... people will be buying iPhones in April 2013 too... will they still be fueled by the hype?
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I don't think we are actually reading each others post correctly. I am learning I should really post one or two liners here, nobody reads long posts.


Edit: (Ok after this, I'll do short posts :p) Yes people still buy iPhones or whatever phones out of hype, this is a hot market, its not the ONLY reason, but from what I've seen first hand, I'm convinced. For example, all my siblings and their spouses bought iPhones, yet I'm the only Apple fan in the family, nobody had Apple gear, half didn't keep theirs and another half don't fanboy/girl their iPhones, they got it because its the phone the whole world is talking about and they wanted to see what all the hype was about. That's probably a better way to put it. This was all iPhone 4, so they were new to Apple and iPhone from the 4th iPhone, half of them eventually sold it, one recently sold his iPhone for the Galaxy S3, not that that's a better phone, he thinks it is, but I know him, he bought it because its the new thing, which is a repeat of why he bought his iPhone 4 in the first place, next year or 18 months at best, he'll buy something new to replace his S3. I didn't say YOU bought it out of hype, not everyone who uses Apple products fall in love with them, here are some other examples, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer (hahaa), doesn't have an iPad or an iPhone! But I guess that is a different case :D
 
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Chrisg2014 said:
Still doesn't change the fact if I lose my phone, some one has access to my credit cards or dept cards.
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  • If your wallet is stolen, the thief has immediate access to all your card numbers.
  • If your phone is stolen, that card information is hidden behind the wallet app login, blocking the thief.
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  • If your wallet is stolen, the thief can use your credit card until you report it stolen, up to your limits.
  • If your phone is stolen, the thief can only charge small amounts, and only if you and the merchant allow such without a PIN.
In neither case do you have to pay for bogus charges.

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  • With a normal credit card, a thief can just write down its information even without stealing the card itself, and use the info to buy stuff off the internet.
  • With a phone, there's no access to that information.
 
Please God,

I just want to believe that Apple has gone super xtreme in secrecy and they just build a prototype to keep the media busy and they will impress everybody with a brand new phone so different that will revolutionize the market once again! Please, God let that be the true about all of this rumors. I don't want to think that Apple just don't give a dime about secrecy no more and everybody knows already what they are going to announce this month!

Amen
 
If it's a thin as the metal band on the 4S, it's gonna be awesome. Much easier to grip and still be able to reach (almost) the whole screen. I think the new screen technology and probably some more goodies with iOS and the phone itself are going to make this one awesome keynote. This is going to sell like hotcakes, regardless of what us nerds say. The general population loves iOS devices and this one will do quite well.
 
I'm really bummed Apple isn't redesigning a brand new, totally different iPhone that I can use for 1 year (maybe 2 if I'm feeling frugal) only to replace it with another totally redesigned, brand new iPhone..... (*sarcasm*)

Guys, these things refresh EVER YEAR. Aside from the fact that they are both rectangular, compare the reported specs of the iPhone 5 with the iPhone 4 and tell me its not a hefty upgrade.

If you're buying a phone every year expecting huge redesigns and innovations, I'd hope that big paying job you have to supplement your buying of new phones didn't hire you for your mental acuity.

If you want constant refreshes, switch to Android where you're guaranteed a new, different looking phone every other month (on hopefully the newest/newer-ish version of the OS you are using) that will be obsolete when the next one comes out and your phone can't get the OS update (no Project Butter for you) and doesn't have a 26 core graphics processor that's outperformed by a little dual/quad core.

*Oh look shiny object!*
 
andyjam said:
I hadn't really noticed until I saw this photo, but it looks rather 'hipster'...
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oh please. define "hipster"...because its one of those words that now means anything you dont like, isnt it?

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ixodes said:
I'd hate to attribute this (or blame) J. Ive for such a pedestrian look. First year designers my company hires are far more imaginative.
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oh yeah? can you link us to your first-year designers' billion-dollar portfolios? would love to see their work.
 
k995 said:
The issue is that ALL smartphones constantly change, and apple is getting more and more behind.
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So yes for the consumer it is just a faster (if they dont just plop in a 32nm a5x soc) slightly larger iphone 4s with iOS 6/LTE/whatever else apple includes.
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er, and the problem w/ that is...? look, the vast majority of human beings are not phone geeks. they dont care about specs like you do. they just want a solid tool that works well. thats what apple specializes in. not bleeding edge specs or tech.
 
mdelvecchio said:
er, and the problem w/ that is...? look, the vast majority of human beings are not phone geeks. they dont care about specs like you do. they just want a solid tool that works well. thats what apple specializes in. not bleeding edge specs or tech.
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Eh just read the post I quoted ? "But i do just get iriated when people complain about things like this being called "incremental" or "just a stretched 4s""

As you say people dont care they just see a longer iphone 4s wich works just as well .
 
kdarling said:
Yes, metal acts as a barrier to radio transmissions, unless of course it's part of the antenna itself.

(LiquidMetal is a metal alloy with more plastic like molding characteristics. We keep joking that it should've been called PlasticMetal, but that's not as cool a name - grin.)

In this case, however, the back seems to be aluminum and that's why there's the different end cap materials for most antennas. (There's speculation that the metal section might be used as an NFC antenna, though.)
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ahhh! I never knew that. So liquid metal could be 'cheaper' than actual aluminum. Knowing apple and their profit maximizing tactics they could easily move all their production base to liquid then. Sounds really cool and I did fall for the marketing name :D

Knowing apple again they could move away from NFC, cause I imagine they would have to pay a license and apple don't do much of that. They prefer to create their own version. We'll soon find out.
 
applefanDrew said:
It's needed so that all the antennae work. Especially the cell antennae on top and bottom.
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Another iphone antenna fiasco. Apple has problems with antennas.

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Aidan5806 said:
Also to everyone saying this is just a stretched 4s, you are incredibly ignorant. The fact is, if many of the rumors are true, this could potentially be the biggest upgrade to the iPhone ever
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Not biggest upgrade, but longest :)
 
nerdflower said:
I don't think we are actually reading each others post correctly. I am learning I should really post one or two liners here, nobody reads long posts.


Edit: (Ok after this, I'll do short posts :p) Yes people still buy iPhones or whatever phones out of hype, this is a hot market, its not the ONLY reason, but from what I've seen first hand, I'm convinced. For example, all my siblings and their spouses bought iPhones, yet I'm the only Apple fan in the family, nobody had Apple gear, half didn't keep theirs and another half don't fanboy/girl their iPhones, they got it because its the phone the whole world is talking about and they wanted to see what all the hype was about. That's probably a better way to put it. This was all iPhone 4, so they were new to Apple and iPhone from the 4th iPhone, half of them eventually sold it, one recently sold his iPhone for the Galaxy S3, not that that's a better phone, he thinks it is, but I know him, he bought it because its the new thing, which is a repeat of why he bought his iPhone 4 in the first place, next year or 18 months at best, he'll buy something new to replace his S3. I didn't say YOU bought it out of hype, not everyone who uses Apple products fall in love with them, here are some other examples, Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer (hahaa), doesn't have an iPad or an iPhone! But I guess that is a different case :D
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Good points.

I still maintain that the iPhone and iOS are a proven platform... and that's the biggest reason people buy them :)

One person likes their iPhone... and someone hears that and they get one... and repeat.

That is one form of hype... but hype in a good way. The iPhone has been around for 5 years... has tons of great apps and games... and people seem to like it. The iPhone is a safe bet.

The bad form of hype is when something is exaggerated and overblown... and you get tricked into buying something that isn't as advertised. Bad hype is a risk.

I don't think the iPhone falls under the bad category of hype :)
 
I think the long 4" iphone would make sense if alongside would Apple release the second size iphone 4.8" or so (same aspect ratio). I still have a small hope for that. That's would be a stock market bomb.

Otherwise the 4": meh... too little, too late.
 
k995 said:
The issue is that ALL smartphones constantly change, and apple is getting more and more behind.

Its all been done by others and faster/better. Take the 4s (and no I dont care that 5 or 6 or whatever is about the be released thats apples choice a 1 release every year) its slower in a lot of area's then the current crop of just as expensive or even cheaper smartphones less storage/screen estate/connectivity/...

Frankly the consumer doesnt care how difficult for apple it is to get simular results then others, they care about a great phone.

So yes for the consumer it is just a faster (if they dont just plop in a 32nm a5x soc) slightly larger iphone 4s with iOS 6/LTE/whatever else apple includes.
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I find it frightening that people can display as much ignorance as you've just shown with google being available. The 4S is the most powerful phone on the market in GPU power, beating the GS3 by around 40%. The 4S's display produces a superior image with a better viewing angle, and comes with as much as or double the internal storage of the GS3.
How can people still not be aware of such old news? The only thing Apple has 'lagged behind' with is the implementation of 4G, which doesn't have as big an impact as you think. It's not a deciding factor for me or many others; I want it, but I'm not willing to endure the awful of the iPhone's competitors while sacrificing the build and software quality of the 4S.

Check out Anandtech's performance comparison between the 3 month old GS3 and the 11 month old 4S; the GS3's quad-core outperforms the 4S's dual core, in an area where CPU power is not a bottleneck. :rolleyes:

Furthermore, your assessment of the average consumer's view of the iPhone 5 is one of the most vacuous I've read.

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(marc) said:
It's incredibly, amazingly, stunningly ugly. The design of the 3G / 3GS is still the best.
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To each his own.

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saturn88 said:
I think the long 4" iphone would make sense if alongside would Apple release the second size iphone 4.8" or so (same aspect ratio). I still have a small hope for that. That's would be a stock market bomb.

Otherwise the 4": meh... too little, too late.
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This guy, in one comment, has necessitated the return of down-voting.
 
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