Hands-On With Apple's New 16-Inch MacBook Pro

My simplistic view is really that one universal port such as USB-C whilst not as convenient for some as a dedicated SD, HDMI or other port is a better way to ultimately provide you with all the port access you will ever need, it makes sense to me at least.

Having four such ports gives the flexibility to connect devices to whichever side is most convenient.

Also flexibility to have multiple USB, display port, HDMI, TB etc in way that is not possible with dedicated old standard single function ports.

Yes you need adapters, these can be small and often can live with the device they are connecting.

Flexibility is not something I see mentioned in threads about four multipurpose USB-C ports vs single purpose ports.

As with so many things it all depends on your usage.
 
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Having four such ports gives the flexibility to connect devices to whichever side is most convenient.

Also flexibility to have multiple USB, display port, HDMI, TB etc in way that is not possible with dedicated old standard single function ports.

Yes you need adapters, these can be small and often can live with the device they are connecting.

Flexibility is not something I see mentioned in threads about four multipurpose USB-C ports vs single purpose ports.

As with so many things it all depends on your usage.
"As with so many things it all depends on your usage."

You hit the nail on the head.

Theres no better or worse. All depends on your usage.
 
If you can prove this makes a significant difference on daily general use then I might consider caring for you opinion.

Weight in my bag and how it fits easily in my bag is more important.
A larger screen may increase productivity, as it may allow more elements to be shown simultaneously. If you work with two applications side by side, a 15 or 16 inch display may indeed make a difference.

It depends on the usage, though.

Speaking for myself, I think a larger screen is better for productivity. However, the smaller size and lighter weight counts a lot, and I usually end up preferring the smaller and lighter laptops instead.

If Apple ever released a 15/16-inch MacBook Air, I might consider it. I think LG has a great approach with its Gram line, but I would still prefer its 14-inch model over the 15 and 17 inchers.

Apple does not make every product for everyone, though. If you are in need of a thin and light laptop, you are basically stuck with the 13-inch MacBook Air (now that the 12-inch MacBook is gone), or maybe the 13-inch Pro, if you have no problem in exchanging some of the portability for more power.

The 16-inch, being heavier than the 15-inch model, does not work for many people, including myself. I had a 15-inch retina model which was about the same weight as the 16-inch, and it was not so easy to carry around, fit in bags, and use in airplanes. But the added weight is negligible for some people who need all the power it makes.
 
The new 5500M GPU is supposedly twice as fast as the old 560X at the same price point, looking forward to benchmarks.
Can't wait to see how the MBP stands up in about 2-3 years from the heat generated from that much higher TDP. AppleCare would probably be a suggested additional purchase, which has become the norm, that really the overall purchase price of these is the total cost of ownership with this extended warranty. I believe for the premium price, then the standard warranty should be increased to 2 year with the option of an extended warranty to 4 years.
 
Can't wait to see how the MBP stands up in about 2-3 years from the heat generated from that much higher TDP. AppleCare would probably be a suggested additional purchase, which has become the norm, that really the overall purchase price of these is the total cost of ownership with this extended warranty. I believe for the premium price, then the standard warranty should be increased to 2 year with the option of an extended warranty to 4 years.

Yes to extending the warranty! In the past there were often issues with Mac notebooks that would come up after several years (from the upper ram slot failure in the old Powerbooks to the Nvidia GPU's failing in the MBP's). I'm already getting nervous because my 2015 MBP is soon out of Apple care. 4 years warranty would make me feel a lot better about paying 3300 bucks for a notebook.
 
Well, it sure would be nice if my brand-new 8-core 2.4 gHz 32GB 16" MacBook Pro could not crash literally every time I put it to sleep.... every time I wake it up, it boots fresh and tells me there was a serious problem (that I do report to Apple). I've had it less than 20 hours and barely installed anything on it yet!
 
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Well, it sure would be nice if my brand-new 8-core 2.4 gHz 32GB 16" MacBook Pro could not crash literally every time I put it to sleep.... every time I wake it up, it boots fresh and tells me there was a serious problem (that I do report to Apple). I've had it less than 20 hours and barely installed anything on it yet!
WAAAAA????
 
Well, it sure would be nice if my brand-new 8-core 2.4 gHz 32GB 16" MacBook Pro could not crash literally every time I put it to sleep.... every time I wake it up, it boots fresh and tells me there was a serious problem (that I do report to Apple). I've had it less than 20 hours and barely installed anything on it yet!
Probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but it sounds like, rather than trying to resolve the problem with Apple, you should exchange the machine for a new one before your return window expires. Even if it appears you can resolve the problem completely (e.g., by wiping the disk and doing a clean install of the OS), it's still suspicious — so best to get a new machine to avoid something coming back to cause problems in the future.
 
You're WAY off base. The MacBook Pro is targeted towards pro photographers and filmmakers. SD cards are not going away ANY time soon in that space. It's the standard media for image acquisition for pro photography and prosumer video, and it's not going away anytime soon.

Ummm... no. YOU’RE way off base. How can you be so narrow minded as to definitively say photographers and filmmakers are the only target? So your market research is more definitive than Apple’s? Or even a cursory google search?

There are countless other professions and users these machines are targeted at: Developers, scientists, musicians, artists, business people of all kinds, IT people, engineers, consultants, etc.

Only a small fraction of those have the slightest interest in SD cards. Why should the rest of us miss out on something else just for you?

Pro means you make money doing what you do with it, as opposed to amateur or consumer.
 
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I’m agree with those who say SDreader is not necessary anymore, I connect my camera with the USBA cable, so I just need a dongle to USB-C, well I Have 3 USBA to USB-C as even the lighting cable of my iPhone 11 (2019) is USB A!!!!
IF You want to be modern, unify your ports along the devices and use the same for everything, dont make us buying cables and wires just because you want more money.
Anyway, this is how all people see apole, as a money making machine, even some fanboys as me long time ago asumed this

Cook is so bad at product that he couldn't even give just one or two usb A ports and one SD card slot on such a huge MBP with so much space. Heck a pro machine should have a DVD reader/writer too. because dvds won't be outdated until you have everything made available in streaming which you don't.
 
I upgraded from a 2015 15" MBP to the new 16" and I love it!! Machine is unreal. Only thing I can't seem to get going now is sidecar. I get this message: Unable to connect to "Glen's iPad Pro" device timed out.

Set up all the settings in preferences but it simply doesn't connect. Any suggestions anyone?

Its a 10.5" iPad Pro.

Update: 11-23-19 A simple restart corrected this problem and sidecar now works fine.
 
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NITGATE is BACK! Seeing multiple reports that this display is about 80-100 nits DIMMER than the last model, at around 420 max. Why so many reviewers took Apple at their word and didn’t actually test the brightness is beyond me.
 
Well, it sure would be nice if my brand-new 8-core 2.4 gHz 32GB 16" MacBook Pro could not crash literally every time I put it to sleep.... every time I wake it up, it boots fresh and tells me there was a serious problem (that I do report to Apple). I've had it less than 20 hours and barely installed anything on it yet!

Probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but it sounds like, rather than trying to resolve the problem with Apple, you should exchange the machine for a new one before your return window expires. Even if it appears you can resolve the problem completely (e.g., by wiping the disk and doing a clean install of the OS), it's still suspicious — so best to get a new machine to avoid something coming back to cause problems in the future.

This only seemed to happen after my laptop had been sleeping for more than a trivial amount of time (it happened every time I waited 30 minutes or so). After a dozen times, I finally had a chance to call Apple Support. They had me reset the SMC, which was already on my list to do, but it didn't help.

After a few more crashes, I decided to reset the PRAM -- and that worked! It was completely unexpected, but I did this yesterday and I've been able to wake it up 8+ times already without any issues.

I'll report back if this recurs, but as of right now it seems like this was an issue with something in parameter RAM causing the sleep crash after a non-trivial period of time.

I have to say... Apple reached out to me several times on this issue. They were really interested in finding the root cause. I have seldom received such support from any company -- I'm totally thrilled!
 
By the way, from what I have read, the new MacBook Pro still lacks 802.11ax (WiFi 6) support due to the fact Apple is still completely reliant on Intel for the complete motherboard chipset, including the WiFi client hardware support. The latest production Intel motherboard chipsets do not yet support 802.11ax, though the ones coming in 2020 may do so.
 
By the way, from what I have read, the new MacBook Pro still lacks 802.11ax (WiFi 6) support due to the fact Apple is still completely reliant on Intel for the complete motherboard chipset, including the WiFi client hardware support. The latest production Intel motherboard chipsets do not yet support 802.11ax, though the ones coming in 2020 may do so.
Yes. Comet Lake, expected mid-year for the 45W CPUs the 16” uses, will support WiFi 6.
 
The writing has been on the wall wrt SD cards for a while. They are used by an ever smaller segment of the user population and will eventually go the way of zip drives.....And for that reason, Apple did not find it beneficial to splurge on and include such a seldom used hardware component.

I don't believe that's the reason SD wasn't included. Note the following:

1) Dell includes an SD card slot on the XPS15 (their competitor to the MBP). Dell is a big company, and has the resources for, and knows how to do, market research. Its PC (desktops/laptops/notebooks) market share, by units shipped, is more than twice Apple's (by dollars it would be less dominant, since Apple devices are more expensive). Dell wouldn't have included an SD card slot (taking up precious space on their machine, which is about the same size as an MBP) if there weren't a reasonable demand for it.

2) Apple also doesn't include USB-A. Regardless of what you want to argue about SD, clearly there is still a significant demand for USB-A.

Taken together, we can conclude that Apple doesn't base its port decisions on what specific ports people most commonly use. [Indeed, by excluding USB-A, it's deliberately ignoring what most people use.] Rather, it bases its port decisions on its broad-based design philosophy. And it's design philosophy is two-fold: (1) We're going to look to the future to determine what we believe will (or should be!) be the upcoming standard. (2) Using that standard, we're going to give you four powerful, flexible ports. With the right adapters, you can connect whatever you want to the machine. I.e., we're not going to give you the ports you think you want, we're going to give you the ports we think you should want.*

There are pluses and minuses to this approach:

It makes the machine very flexible, and gives it significant potential connectivity, but at the same time reduces its convenience for those employing common devices that use the current standards: You have to keep track of which of the current common standards you might be using, and make sure you carry the right adapter along with the machine. E.g., you can't just plug in a USB-A key.

It also makes the device more clean and beautiful by itself, but at the same time makes it uglier and less compact in actual use. The ultimate example of this was the "trashcan" Mac Pro. By itself it was very compact, neat, and clean. But in actual use, because of its limited port selection, you couldn't do the clean thing and plug directly into the machine, you needed to add one or more outboard port docks. They have, fortunately, rectified this on the new Mac Pro.

[*This is consistent with Apple's historical design philosophy, which is to give the customers what Apple likes, and assume that, once customers use it for themselves, they will realized it's the better way, even if they didn't see it at the time. Sometimes this has worked brilliantly (and Apple wouldn't be the company it is today without this), and sometimes it fails utterly -- as it did with the butterfly keyboard, and as it did when Apple unwisely tried to Apply their "we know what you want better than you" philosophy to the pro market, resulting in the trashcan Mac Pro. With they new 16", they've held to this design philosophy when it came to the ports, but acceded to customer demand in many other areas, particularly the keyboard, smaller bezels, physical esc key, better thermals, and maxed-out battery size.]
 
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I had a 2016 13" with only two ports. Having the new 16" with four ports, I can certainly appreciate them.

One of the things this machine does well is definitely the slight increase in screen real estate. The physical ESC key is welcome, but not a game changer for me. The Touch Bar works once I figured out that I could customize the functions, very useful to been able to sleep or lock the screen on the machine with a single touch command.

The ability to unlock the machine with a fingerprint is also nice.

Having said that, and comparing this new machine to the older 15" generation, there's definitely benefits to moving up, like the screen, faster RAM, faster video.
 
Trying to say to myself my MacBook Air is enough lol and not get tempted
Well, they are two very different machines. The MacBook Pro is far more powerful and has far more features. But if you need portability, you should keep the Air, as the new Pro is almost double the weight.
 
Well, they are two very different machines. The MacBook Pro is far more powerful and has far more features. But if you need portability, you should keep the Air, as the new Pro is almost double the weight.
Well yeah the air is more than enough power for what I use it for. Price wise its over £1300 more for the pro so will be happy with the MacBook Air
 
Looks like the 16" has pretty good thermals. Notebookcheck.net evaluates thermal performance by putting the laptop through a continuous loop using Cinebench R15, which maxes out all the CPU cores (but doesn't use the GPU). Here I used their comparison feature to merge their results for all the laptops they've reviewed that employ the i9 H-series (mobile) processors. The 16" MBP is bolded in red, and has an avg score of 1407. That's 14% faster than the 15" with the same processor (avg = 1238).

The only laptop with better sustained performance is the Eurocom Nightsky RX15 (avg = 1490), which is in a completely different class -- it's a 1.12" thick gaming laptop that weighs 5.5 lbs (and the Eurocom also has a somewhat faster processor, the HK instead of the H). [There are i9 gaming laptops that do even better than the Eurocom -- one of the highest-performing being the huge 9.2 lb 17" MSI GT76 9SG (4.1 lbs for the power supply alone!) -- which averages ~2000 on this test; but these all use the i9-9900K, i.e. the desktop processor.]

Interestingly, the 16" MBP also comes out ahead of the Gigabyte Aero 17 XA, a .84" thick, 5.5 lb. 17" laptop (avg = 1328), and the HP Omen 17-cb0020ng, a 1.29" thick, 7 lb. 17 " gaming laptop (avg=1291).

It will be interesting to see how the 16" MBP does vs. what is probably its closest PC competitor, the Dell XPS 15 (not shown here). Preliminary reports from other reviewers suggest that the 16" MBP equals or edges out the XPS 15, which is significant, as the XPS 15 has typically bested the MBP in the past.

Then again, the 16" should be at least as fast (thermally) as the Dell (indeed, faster), since it is now 20% larger by volume (1150 cc for the Dell, vs 1400 cc for the 16" MBP). Of course, the 15" MBP should also have been at least as fast as the Dell, since it was 1300 cc.

[The Dell Precision 5540, whose results are shown here (avg = 1288), has the same thickness and width as the XPS 15, but isn't as deep -- 9.3" vs. 9.7".]


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This question is for anyone who uses their pre'2016 pro for Editing, Graphic Design and Photography who recently switched to the 2019 16-inch Macbook Pro. Have you noticed quicker rending times in applications such as, Premiere, Final-Cut, After Effects, Lightroom or Cinema 4D? If yes, which model did you purchase and how many cores did you go for? Thanks!
 
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