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Don't be fooled, those from USB "3" ports on the front are the old 5.0 Gb/s variety. Not 10Gb/s like the 3.1 and 3.2 ones.
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Trying to decide between continue using my old Apple keyboard (so old it has old style keys and is full sized and white) and buy a USB-A to USC-C adapter or just buy a new USB-C Keyvoard
Why not look for a new or used wireless Magic Keyboard, examples at MacSales. Obviously there are other online places to buy also.
 
The new Mini is so much cooler than the old Mini (got my new one sitting on top of my old one, for now) - not to mention far more powerful. The original Mini was cool, when people started building their "mini towers", but the later, flatter ones, were just, well, flat lol. These new ones have pizzazz!
 
Got my m4 pro today.. does run a tad warmer than my base m2. Biggest complaint is all my m2 backups with time machine and CCC don't install everything properly. I so wish you could backup like macrium reflect on windows.
 
That’s not how Apple decides on things. If they did that, the back might get too dense and fugly? Also, the chip might not have enough lanes to support that many high speed ports when it scales into a TB5 with M4-Pro. They’d much rather keep everything nice and neat.
They did it on the Mac Studio? I understand your point.
 
Trying to decide between continue using my old Apple keyboard (so old it has old style keys and is full sized and white) and buy a USB-A to USC-C adapter or just buy a new USB-C Keyvoard

I still have one of these. No plans to change it as I use 3x USB-A extender cables so that I can operate from the sofa to the TV (3m away).
 
It will be interesting to see the difference in performance between the internal drive and the external - I wonder if it would make sense to put the system on an external 2TB SSD and use it as a boot drive.
 
The original Mini was cool, when people started building their "mini towers", but the later, flatter ones, were just, well, flat lol. These new ones have pizzazz
Agreed. The 2024 Mini recaptures some of the charm of the original design. My first Mac was the first Intel Mini that I found irresistible at the computer store in 2006. My 2018 Mini is hidden from view, and is overkill for its server function, but count me among those who are fighting the temptation to replace something perfectly adequate with something more appealing.
 
I'd probably be okay with a Dell UltraSharp U2723QE 27" 4K UHD for $435, but crave a ASUS ProArt Display PA27JCV 27" 5K HDR Monitor (and have driven myself nuts struggling with how much Apple's alleged resolution scaling apart from 110 and 220 pixel/inch resolutions is an issue).
I've just bought a Dell A2722QC 27-in monitor as a second display driven off my 27-in iMac. I'm using QuickRes to configure both displays at 3200x1800 and am very happy with the result.

The U2723QE is slightly better in some respects so you should be fine, see https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/dell-s2722qc-vs-dell-u2723qe/28689/31782
 
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It’s a headphone jack, hence the position!
This. For years Apple put the headphone jack on Macs in location that did not make any sense in an ergonomic manner (i.e. on the right side of the MacBooks and the back of the iMac and the Mac mini). It belongs on either the left side or the front, else wise the wire just intersects with mouse and keyboard.
 
Nothing about temps, possible CPU throttling or fan noise?

That would kinda be relevant in this case, for the "smallest Mac ever".
 
Set up my new mini this afternoon with no issues migrating data from my 2019 MacBook Air. The only thing I don't like is the external speaker jack on the front of the machine. The install would look much cleaner if it was on the back so the speaker cable was hidden....

Agreed. However having now seen the teardown I understand why it's on the front. There just isn't space among the row of ports at the back and placing it above the row of ports isn't an option either as the logic board is tightly packed in there.

I think about it as like the MacBook Air which I'm typing on now. It has two USB ports on the left and an audio jack on the right. And that's how they sit on the mini, just on the front face. I suppose it's also more convenient if you are using headphones, however at a cost to those who have speakers and other audio equipment.

It's a small trade off for having the machine as small as it is.

It’s a headphone jack, hence the position!

It's an audio jack, not just for headphones. If I want to plug in some speakers I now either have to get a dongle and use up a Thunderbolt port or have a wire poking out of the front. And I thought Apple had spent the last decade on a crusade against wired headphones?
 
Have a hard time swallowing the upgrade prices. While the entry level model sure is a good value, just going up a little in specs make the price rocket away and suddenly the good value isn’t so good anymore.

From a review at MacWorld.com:

Get this: The entry-level M4 Mac mini, with 16GB of RAM and 256GB of storage, is $599. Boosting that to 32GB RAM and 512GB SSD is an additional $600.​


I think this scares away some potential customers who would like a bit more than the base specs and I don’t think this is what Apple wants, or? 🤔

I don’t get it. The prices don’t have to be as low as the separate PC components you can buy, but it gets ridiculous when the prices are several times that of what you would pay if buying similar components separately.
 
I don’t get it. The prices don’t have to be as low as the separate PC components you can buy, but it gets ridiculous when the prices are several times that of what you would pay if buying similar components separately.

Apple just can't seem to get off the "drug" or absolutely GOUGING people on component upgrade pricing

The prices are easily double what they should be to still allow a very healthy margin for Apple

More power to y'all buying all these. I just refuse to support this level of flat out rip off and I can't go the "put it all on externals" route as Apple has made it so iCloud won't sync to an external drive.

(not to mention, I just don't really want a "desktop" that needs external drives hooked up full time)
 
The M4 Mac mini is my favorite Mac so far! I got the M4 Mac mini (not M4 Pro) and adding a 4TB SanDisk PRO-G40 External Thunderbolt 3 SSD, and am using that as my Startup Drive instead of the 256GB Apple internal SSD. I now have a $499 (with Education Discount) M4 Mac Mini with 16GB RAM and a 4TB SSD drive (paid $275 for it) very capable Mac computer for such a low cost. This Mac Mini is so fast that it is making me want to get rid of my Mac Studio M2 Max in favor of it!
 
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as said many times before the power button on the bottom is just wrong
ok just an idea - setup the mini on its side - its a joke
 
Is it viable to buy the base 256GB model? I find my 256GB MacBook Pro (2015) is always out of space just from the updates it gets. I also like to keep my phone and iPad backed up to it though now I’m having to delete the backups. Is anyone familiar with a way to back up an iOS device OFF the internal drive?
Symlink MobileSync to an external.
 
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Not sure where you saw this, but USB 3.0 does not support more than 5 Gb/s bandwidth.

Hmmm, seems the fruit is claiming 10 Gb/s. BUT in all the marketing I saw, they say USB 3.0. I think the 10Gb/s came with USB 3.1 Gen 2.
Since it just says ”USB 3” and up to 10 Gb/s maybe they actually mean USB 3.1 Gen 2 without actually writing that out. I would have been more worried if it said ”USB 3.0” on Apple's home page, but I agree it would be better if they typed out the exact USB 3 version.
 
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It's an audio jack, not just for headphones. If I want to plug in some speakers I now either have to get a dongle and use up a Thunderbolt port or have a wire poking out of the front. And I thought Apple had spent the last decade on a crusade against wired headphones?
You can also use USB-C connected speakers where you can control the volume via keyboard. Most Mac desktops/laptops do have the 3.5mm jack in a forward accessible area mostly for headphones and cheaper speakers usage. Apple only removed the 3.5mm jack from mobile devices such as iPhones and iPads, not Macs.
 
Judging from forum discussion, people will want to know whether it makes substantial noise at any point in your use, and what the circumstances were that brought that on. The presenter asked about what we ordered and what we're using it for. Here's my scenario:

I ordered an M4Pro Mac Mini, the higher end version, with 48-gig RAM and 2-terabyte SSD (would've loved 4, but could not choke down the the offensive cost for 2 more terabytes), and 1 gigabit ethernet (home user connecting via 6E wireless network (really 6, since the 'e' is short range and the router's in another room)). For general home use. Over-powered for what I do, but I like to keep and use a system for at least several years.

And I wanted Thunderbolt 5. Whether I'll ever benefit from it much I don't know, but we're at the start of what's likely to be at least a few (if not several) years of TB 5 peripherals and the speeds are roughly double, so that bit of future-proofing is nice.

The real struggle relates to monitor choice. My old 2017 iMac doesn't have target display mode, so it's new monitor time. I'd probably be okay with a Dell UltraSharp U2723QE 27" 4K UHD for $435, but crave a ASUS ProArt Display PA27JCV 27" 5K HDR Monitor (and have driven myself nuts struggling with how much Apple's alleged resolution scaling apart from 110 and 220 pixel/inch resolutions is an issue).
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