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How about a base M4 Mini to replace an Apple TV? Pros? Cons?
go for it!

but its not equivalent, maybe adding a mini is more like augmenting the ATV?

you cant airplay TO the mac mini, one of the killer apps of having an ATV.

also macos cannot act as a Homekit hub.

remote control. if you do go this route, i highly suggest a FLIRC device to translate IR commands to HID keyboard commands. otherwise, a mouse and keyboard -required- for a living room setup? ehhh
 
Agreed. However having now seen the teardown I understand why it's on the front. There just isn't space among the row of ports at the back and placing it above the row of ports isn't an option either as the logic board is tightly packed in there.

I think about it as like the MacBook Air which I'm typing on now. It has two USB ports on the left and an audio jack on the right. And that's how they sit on the mini, just on the front face. I suppose it's also more convenient if you are using headphones, however at a cost to those who have speakers and other audio equipment.

It's a small trade off for having the machine as small as it is.



It's an audio jack, not just for headphones. If I want to plug in some speakers I now either have to get a dongle and use up a Thunderbolt port or have a wire poking out of the front. And I thought Apple had spent the last decade on a crusade against wired headphones?
right angle adapters and cables exist
 
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This thread may interest you!
Beyond my abilities, but thanks. I also looked into Luna Display, but even the Thunderbolt version gives rather low frame rates, from what I heard online. It's a real shame how many sharp, beautiful old 5K iMac displays basically get tossed out.

Richard.
 
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First day with an M4 mini and the following seem significant:

For even my relatively modest needs, the performance boost over an M1 8/256 is very obvious. I suspect a lot of that is down to the extra memory.

Disappointed that a watch charger being plugged into a front USB socket cause it to complain about a high power device.

Disappointed that it was even more unhappy at my iPhone 15PM being connected. (I wasn't wanting to charge it - just check it connected OK.)

Happy that a four-way powered USB-C hub works fine with four drives plugged in. All four remained stable for hours. However, an unpowered hub saw drives dropping off and/or not appearing.
 
All working now.
Did some online reading; it's my understanding even the Thunderbolt version of the Luna Display with an iMac yields frame rates around 30-45 Hz, IIRC? Have you seen that, or noticed an observable difference vs. when you were using the iMac itself?
 
How about a base M4 Mini to replace an Apple TV? Pros? Cons?
A base Mini M4 would not replace an Apple TV as far as apps are concerned, apps such as Disney+, Netflix, Prime...

But for Apple One subscribers (Apple Music + Apple TV+ and some other services), a Mac Mini connected to your 50" or larger Sony or Samsung or whatever nice TV setup with a decent 2.1 or 5.1 audio setup (receiver + surround speaker set or soundbar + sub), it could be a "nice to have" add-on to your Apple TV... If you like the Apple TV aerial screen savers, the latest MACOS versions have them and you can download all of them, contrary to the Apple TV which is limited in space and only show a limited number of them for a giving time...

If you have a Mac laptop, such as a Macbook Air or Pro, you don't really need a dedicated keyboard and mouse for the Mac Mini (except for initial setup...). You can control your Mac Mini from your laptop through screen sharing, as long as you share the same Apple id on both Macs...
 
Beyond my abilities, but thanks. I also looked into Luna Display, but even the Thunderbolt version gives rather low frame rates, from what I heard online. It's a real shame how many sharp, beautiful old 5K iMac displays basically get tossed out.

Richard.
it really is! we've been saving them!
 
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Apple launched the new Mac mini, iMac, and MacBook Pro models with M4 chips today, and because the Mac mini is the only one of the machines that got a design update, we thought we'd check it out to see how it compares to the prior version.


The 2024 version of the Mac mini is much smaller than the previous M2 model, so it takes up less space on a desktop. It's 5 by 5 inches, down from 7.75 by 7.75 inches, and you can really see a difference when they're side-by-side. There were rumors that the Mac mini could be as small as the Apple TV, but it's not that small.

It's impressive to have a powerful M4 computer in such a small enclosure, and with so many available ports. There are two ports on the front and three on the back, all USB-C or Thunderbolt. If you have USB-A accessories, you'll need an adapter. There's also an HDMI port, a 3.5mm headphone jack, an Ethernet port, and a port for the power cable.

You can get the Mac mini with an M4 or an M4 Pro chip, and the M4 version has three Thunderbolt 4 ports at the back while the M4 Pro version has three Thunderbolt 5 ports that support faster transfer speeds. The M4 and the M4 Pro offer notable speed improvements over the prior M2 and M2 Pro chips. We've got the full array of benchmarks in the video, but CPU performance is up to 55 percent faster in the M4 Pro compared to the M2 Pro. GPU performance is up significantly, and even the SSD is faster.

Apple is also selling the M4 Macs with 16GB RAM at a minimum, which is a major upgrade over the previous 8GB starting RAM for the base model.

The Mac mini is priced starting at $599, but that's because it doesn't come with a display or peripherals. You'll need to supply your own. It's a solid machine for home or work, and because it's so small, you can take it from one place to another if you have two setups with displays and accessories.

There is one downside to the Mac mini. If you often turn your Mac off and on, you might be annoyed to find that the power button is on the bottom of the device. To access it, you'll need to lift the Mac mini up a bit. That's no big deal if you don't turn your computer off regularly, but if you do, just note there's a little bit of an extra hassle to deal with.

Did you get a new M4 Mac mini, or do you plan to? Let us know in the comments below.

Article Link: Hands On With Apple's New M4 Mac Mini
I have an M2 pro (4 TB) which has about 5500 MB/s, not the 2500 MB/s you show in the video, so it seems the apple now has lower storage models also faster SSD speeds? Does the M4 2TB run much faster than M2 2/4TB?
 
I get it, but it's weird and feels a bit fake how so many reviewers are "amazed" at the smallness of this computer. The chip inside is in a very thin iPad already and it's not that much more powerful than the phone chip. I don't mean to be a killjoy, but if the thing was 2x2 I might get on board. At 5x5, I am thinking it's pretty big for that tiny chip. (I'm referring to the M4, not the M4 Pro - please don't pedant me)

The pro chip is not in the iPad already and is massively more powerful than the iPhone chip.

5x GPU size, 4x (from memory) the P cores…the chassis is made for both.

Even the m4 is way larger than a phone chip and the variant inside the mini is not the same as the one in the iPads.
 
(not to mention, I just don't really want a "desktop" that needs external drives hooked up full time)
Yes me too. I don't want external drive(s)as it just looks messy. Everybody though recommends external drives, honestly, am I missing something, can someone convince me otherwise apart from the obvious price savings ?
 
I have an M2 pro (4 TB) which has about 5500 MB/s, not the 2500 MB/s you show in the video, so it seems the apple now has lower storage models also faster SSD speeds? Does the M4 2TB run much faster than M2 2/4TB?
Did they ever say what size SSD was in the M4 Mac Mini they tested?

It wasn't so far back that news broke out that 256 gig SSDs in Macs had much slower data transfer rates than 512 & larger (I think it was due to number of NAND chips). Check out this old thread from Jan. 2023: New 256GB Mac Mini and 512GB MacBook Pro Have Slower SSD Speeds Than Previous Models
 
Yes me too. I don't want external drive(s)as it just looks messy. Everybody though recommends external drives, honestly, am I missing something, can someone convince me otherwise apart from the obvious price savings ?
you can never remove the internal storage. with external, file transfers, moving from machine to machine, and using it in the future as a boot device, or dedicated backup disk. its cheaper and more flexible.

you may wanna wait for the inevitable torrent of mac mini accessories that will make externals look/integrate better
 
you can never remove the internal storage. with external, file transfers, moving from machine to machine, and using it in the future as a boot device, or dedicated backup disk. its cheaper and more flexible.

you may wanna wait for the inevitable torrent of mac mini accessories that will make externals look/integrate better
Great points though not everything you say applies to me even with the flexibility, I still don't like external drive(s) and cables hanging off desktop macs - just looks messy but it's a personal thing and I'm sure there's plenty who are fine with that 😀

But lets see what the mac mini accessories (and prices included) are like for better "externals look/integration"

Remember you also have the back up the external hard drives. Then there's the buying the right enclosures and choosing the right drives. More time and effort.
 
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I have zero use for a mini, but I really, really want one!
Mee to. I keep telling myself that if I had a mini or a Studio I could keep my MBP in the other room and use it more like a mobile device instead of the desktop-shaped-like-a-MacBook that it currently is. But then again, I've got an awesome iPad that satisfies all my on-the-couch and mobile computing needs.

Then there's the whole meaningful upgrade -- not sure that there's much real-world difference between an M4 Pro and an M3 Max (as I've got an M3 Max chip in my MBP).
 
So I received an M4, 512, 24gb Mac mini to try out as my work computer and so far so good. My worry was in lowering my RAM down to 24 and if the overall graphics and bandwidth would be enough for the video work I do (which is only a part of my job, but the demanding part), but it was able to handle my video edits...the memory pressure was getting close for comfort but nothing bogged down (this was not the case with the M1 mini with 16gb of RAM).

The regular M4 seems to finally be at a level where I can use it at work - I am going to really put it through the paces over the next month with the extended return period to see if I can replace bringing my M1 Max all around and have a dedicated desktop in my office again.
 
You can AirPlay to any Mac from 2020 onwards (from 2018 for MacBooks).
Correct. Rather then simply share the entire screen the latest MacOS 15.2 beta 2 allows you also to select windows or apps, and also just extend your display to that other Mac. This dialog will come up last after you select the another Mac to mirror to. You can change it at any time.

macos-sequoia-15-2-airplay.jpg
 
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I made a quick unboxing video and some benchmarks - but the most important question that I've not seen anyone else answer - Will it DOOM?


(shameless plug for my video)
 
So I received an M4, 512, 24gb Mac mini to try out as my work computer and so far so good. My worry was in lowering my RAM down to 24 and if the overall graphics and bandwidth would be enough for the video work I do (which is only a part of my job, but the demanding part), but it was able to handle my video edits...the memory pressure was getting close for comfort but nothing bogged down (this was not the case with the M1 mini with 16gb of RAM).

The regular M4 seems to finally be at a level where I can use it at work - I am going to really put it through the paces over the next month with the extended return period to see if I can replace bringing my M1 Max all around and have a dedicated desktop in my office again.
Hi, using your video work, did the fan start to spin often? Is it noisy, or is it dead silent like the Mac Studio? Can you please update in the next days about the fan noise during your work: how often it starts, noisy etc. Thank you very much for your information. I'm thinking to buy the M4 Pro Mac mini, the alternative would be the future M4 Max Studio (but at a higher cost and bigger footprint).
 
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Did some online reading; it's my understanding even the Thunderbolt version of the Luna Display with an iMac yields frame rates around 30-45 Hz, IIRC? Have you seen that, or noticed an observable difference vs. when you were using the iMac itself?
The web site says that, but In Luna Settings I can set 60 hz with 5k retina.

I am a code developer and therefore don't really notice slow frame rates. I do watch WWDC videos full screen on my 5k iMac with Luna and no appreciable lag. While the video is playing the mouse is fully responsive. With that said, my primary computer is a fully decked out 2019 MacBook Pro i9 64GB memory and my secondary is an 2017 5K iMac with 64GB. Everything runs SSDs. In addition, the connections are hardwired 1Gbps ethernet each connected to a router with 5 Gbps IDS/IPS routing.

Latency reports an average of 0.6x msec latency and a max throughput of 736.2 Mbps. As I type this with the Luna vitals displayed the average throughput is 16.9 Mbps.

When originally setting this up I had planned on using a local layer 3 switch with its own VLAN for Luna so that the comms were short distance and not having to go through a router. But that turned out to be unnecessary.

The easy setup for Luna is wireless. I would not do that.
 
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