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All these new changes will work only when you using iMessage and won’t apply to standard SMS messages, right ?

If so, all these changes are pointless - as long as other OS platforms (mainly Android) won’t have this app it will never compete against the big players in the market, and will stay a small niche for Apple users (same like FaceTime).
Hold your horses. I'm sure there will be changes and possibly talks of an Android app when new hardware is released in the Fall.
 
What is this "web" and "hypertext" of which you speak? Why, in my day, we had Usenet news, and computers talked to each other over phone lines using UUCP, and if you wanted cat pictures in your messages you drew them with ASCII art. This "web" thing is just a fad that'll never catch on! ;-)
My earliest memories of the web involve 14.4k modems, gopher sites, and no search engines. But I have some vague memories of people using Usenet with modems measured in baud. The first computer I ever used was my grandpa's 386 with a 500MB HDD and a few MB RAM on Windows 3.1. I would use MS Paint all day and my grandpa would chastise me for opening too many windows and crashing the OS. I think he told me when he first bought it, it had an 80MB HDD or something, and maybe 640KB RAM? I think he still has it. My first computer was a 75MHz Intel Pentium from Packard Bell with 32MB RAM, 14.4K modem, 1MB video card (maybe Matrox or Cirrus Logic?), 4X CD-ROM (fancy), and of course 3.5" floppy running on Win95. I remember upgrading it to 33.6K modem, my grandpa's old accelerated 8MB PCI card (big upgrade from that ISA piece of crap) that was in his Pentium II machine, I think 80MB RAM (32+32+16 because I think it had three slots) and a 24X CD-ROM. And now my iPhone 6s is faster than the first MacBook Pro I bought in 2008. What a time to be alive!
 
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I'm assuming that a lot of these new features are for iMessage and not for SMS. Will Apple be disabling these features that are not SMS compatible and how exactly will that work? I also understand that the replace text with Emoji is cool, but soon as that is done, the message text limit is limited from 160 chars to 70 chars on SMS messages. Which means if you had 100 chars typed, replaced text with an emoji, you are now are limited to 70 chars. Which now means you are 30 chars over limit, which will cause your text to be mulitiple messages. I really hope Apple is aware of these limitations.
 
My earliest memories of the web involve 14.4k modems, gopher sites, and no search engines. But I have some vague memories of people using Usenet with modems measured in baud. The first computer I ever used was my grandpa's 386 with a 500MB HDD and a few MB RAM on Windows 3.1. I would use MS Paint all day and my grandpa would chastise me for opening too many windows and crashing the OS. I think he told me when he first bought it, it had an 80MB HDD or something, and maybe 640KB RAM? I think he still has it. My first computer was a 75MHz Intel Pentium from Packard Bell with 32MB RAM, 14.4K modem, 1MB video card (maybe Matrox or Cirrus Logic?), 4X CD-ROM (fancy), and of course 3.5" floppy running on Win95. I remember upgrading it to 33.6K modem, my grandpa's old accelerated 8MB PCI card (big upgrade from that ISA piece of crap) that was in his Pentium II machine, I think 80MB RAM (32+32+16 because I think it had three slots) and a 24X CD-ROM. And now my iPhone 6s is faster than the first MacBook Pro I bought in 2008. What a time to be alive!

14.4K modems, 500MB HDD, you are but just a child :)

300 Baud acoustic coupler, BBS, 5MB, 5.25" double height HDD...
 
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14.4K modems, 500MB HDD, you are but just a child :)

300 Baud acoustic coupler, BBS, 5MB, 5.25" double height HDD...
Well, maybe relatively, but I'm buying my second house in a few weeks, having my second kid a few weeks after that, and started my freelance design company 11 years ago now, lol. Kids these days will talk about how they had an iPad as their first computer. Yesterday my daughter was yelling into her toy phone at the Apple TV "Play music! Show pictures of kangaroos!" Crazy how much can change in a generation. Her kids will probably be able to conjure up whatever their heart desires through pure thought.
 
I cant wait for my next drunk texts, baloons and lasers EVERYWHERE!

But then again, i'm quite worried about Apple... This new message system really isnt anything brakethroughish and whole iOS 10 became even more complexed to use. Swipe there, whipe here, click to see this... sooo many new functions that are hidden in all kinds of places. Meh.
 
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Well, maybe relatively, but I'm buying my second house in a few weeks, having my second kid a few weeks after that, and started my freelance design company 11 years ago now, lol. Kids these days will talk about how they had an iPad as their first computer. Yesterday my daughter was yelling into her toy phone at the Apple TV "Play music! Show pictures of kangaroos!" Crazy how much can change in a generation. Her kids will probably be able to conjure up whatever their heart desires through pure thought.

I have a 2 year old niece. First words spoken were mommy, daddy, ipad and selfie.
 
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I have a 2 year old niece. First words spoken were mommy, daddy, ipad and selfie.
Hah, my kid doesn't get to use electronics much, but she sees us use them, and I often use my iPad to show her things. She likes to look at photos of different animals, and sometimes I'll show her educational videos on YouTube or let her draw. But yeah, she learned the words iPad and Apple pretty early. She was fascinated with my watch before I even got an Apple Watch, and now she's always swiping at it while I'm not paying attention. I'm worried she's going to set off an S.O.S. in watchOS 3! The other day when we were in the other room, she opened the camera app from the lock screen on my wife's iPhone and snapped a photo of her feet. When we came back in she proudly proclaimed "Mommy I made picture of my feet with your iPhone!" Oh kids…I can't even imagine what iMessages will look like when she's a teen, if it's even still a thing.
 
That's it......... No need to use social networking sites anymore everyone,, just use iMessage, since u have all the fun stuff a social site has.. plus more..

no wonder kids would like iOS10.... (and probably us older ones too)
 
The new features are all I need in order to lengthen the time it takes to send a text. Productivity becomes a plaything.
 
Why aren't you -en-mass complaining to your providers? In my country the problem is nonexistent and a scammy stuff gets huge media coverage.

In my country isn't a problem either, but it was mentioned in the Keynote that in some countries, i.e. China, it's common to be spammed on the phone
 
Personally, this was a brilliant move on Apple's part. The iMessage app is probably the most used feature on the iPhone all alone.

I can say with a certainty that in my circles (Los Angeles, entertainment industry, family, friends etc) the opening up of the messages app will be a huge "sticky" feature that will further addict users to their iPhones.

Was a bit dumbfounded yesterday reading some comments around the web like "how un-apple the changes to iMessage were" or the frequent "steve jobs is rolling over in this..." or "steve jobs would never have...."

BS!

Messaging IS the future. Clearly those bashing the changes have no clue how intensely important this one phone feature is across EVERY SINGLE DEMOGRAPHIC globally. Bewildered why anyone would underestimate the importance of better effects, emoji's, interactivity, input of video, photos, music etc into iMessage, then setting up it being offered on Android etc.

The second most important feature on an iPhone is.....

The Camera. Clearly too when iPhone 7 is released we will see that improve significantly. Those already bashing the "underwhelmed sense from no physical changes" to iPhone 7 is already a "pre disappointment" I think when all is said and done will see significant changes to the camera, to touch ID (setting up for it's complete removal as button in 2017), our audio experiences and headphones etc.

Just the headphones alone for a guy like me that NEVER has been able to use the earbuds will be a HUGE new feature if in fact they upgrade them to wireless and hopefully a better more universal fit.

Nice response however you are looking at this from a "your" perspective. Use iMessages a lot. For my work/peer circle (engineers) this is one feature hopefully we can turn off. Like iMessages. This though needs two options: I want the glitz vs. I don't want the glitz. I can see most of my kids going for glitz - if they used iPhones. They don't.

Improvement is a good thing. So is choice. Really really hope this has an off switch.

Messaging is the future? No. It is the most recent trend. What it looks like in a few years? It won't be this.
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The reason is that you are living in the same marketing L.A. bubble as the guys that "designed" this new messages. This new messages app will cause baby boomers and others to deflect from using the app and they own the same amount of smartphones as the millennials. There is a need for standardization if you want to hit all markets, this new messages app it isn't. Even facebook understands this better than the new designers at apple.

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There is a big reason whatsapp is the #1 messages app globally and its not because of stickers and special effects.

That "older" group is where most of the $$$ currently comes from.
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It is not optional for the recipient, presently. You do not need to send them yourself, but you will see all of these effects.



But... but... stickers and bombastic backgrounds are the FUTURE! Haven’t you heard?

So if you set iMessages to off, does all this glitz go away?
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It's going lots of places. It may not go where you live, but as you said, whatsapp is omnipresent there. So I'm not worried at all about you.

iMessage will remain in the iOS world unless it comes to Android. After watching the video a couple of times I really don't see this taking off long term in its' current format. Unless everyone else has access to the same "functions" why would they leave the current "fun" app they are using?

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True, it's momentum and marketshare. Don't let survivors bias cloud your mind; resistance to change keeps a lot of people in their current behaviour (using whatsapp) imho it's the main reason whatsapp is so sow to adapt new features: they don't want to upset their demographic. everyone insisting on only using whatsapp in my environment is above 50...
Now, what is the reason Snappchat is so popular in spite of that? And why is the owner of facebook pouring resources in a seperate app, wich does include all of this bloat?

Because his market is not OS centric. Doesn't matter the OS, FB has it covered. This new iMessage, not so much.
 
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Kids these days will talk about how they had an iPad as their first computer. Yesterday my daughter was yelling into her toy phone at the Apple TV "Play music! Show pictures of kangaroos!" Crazy how much can change in a generation.
My first computer was Apple II serial# 893, with cassette tapes for saving and loading programs ;-) When my dad bought it, having a computer at home wasn't just unusual, most people had no idea it was possible. I've seen the personal computer revolution, the rise of Usenet news (my best friend was the third woman on Usenet), the birth of the Internet, laptops freeing users from desks, and the smartphone revolution. And now I'm sitting here watching WWDC session videos streaming to my Apple TV (explaining HomeKit, which lets me talk to the lights in my living room from my watch - from anywhere in the world). It's an amazing time to be alive.

My 5 year old niece delights in finding her parent's iPhones, waking up Siri, and saying "add anything to shopping list", causing some confusion when her parents are at the store - and she managed to get a number of surprising items purchased, early on, when one parent would assume the other parent had added them. She is perhaps unusual among her preschool classmates in _not_ having her own iPad/iPod/iPhone (a very deliberate move by her parents; they also watch almost no TV - as a result, she's got an amazing imagination; she does get to use some apps on my phone occasionally: she highly recommends "Endless Alphabet"). She's heard us explain that it wasn't that long ago that nobody had a phone in their pockets and how they were wired to walls in a house and you had to enter in long numbers to call anyone and they could only do voice calls and didn't have screens and didn't have games... but I don't think she's ever actually used such a phone. And, yeah, I can't even imagine what amazing technology she'll get to see become commonplace in her lifetime.

Apple isn't adding these features like stickers and animations to Messages because it was deficient for communication, and it isn't going to make anyone use them (some here misconstrue the possibility of receiving sticker-festooned messages from friends as being forced by Apple to use stickers - no, that's you and your friend abiding by, or breaking, an implied social contract between the two of you - if you disagree with your friend's choices, take it up with your friend, not Apple). Apple is seeing that many users (particularly, but not limited to, the new generation of users) clearly want these richer forms of communication (you can argue their merit, but they clearly provide more tools for communicating), and they're making that available in the default messaging app you get on iOS. This is a smart move, and it will make a lot of casual users happy. Apple has a long history of adding features that are already becoming popular elsewhere, and doing so in a somewhat more limited way, with Apple's versions of those features going on to become wildly popular - because Apple's versions are good enough to meet most user's needs, and simple enough to gain very wide adoption. Will this kill SnapChat and WhatsApp? No, certainly not, but that's not the goal. It'll make a lot of existing users happy, because they'll get some of those new Messaging features they've heard of (stickers and such) "by magic" (as in, sometime this fall those new features will just appear, in the Messages app they already use). Keeping existing users happy makes them more likely to buy new iPhones when they decide to replace their existing phone, and it makes them more likely to recommend iPhones (either directly, or by their actions) to their friends. And hardware sales make Apple happy.
 
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I've been an Apple user for 20 years, and I now have finally lost hope. I've put my iPhone for sale, and have no intention of buying a new one any time soon. This is without a doubt the ugliest piece of software Apple has ever made. What a shame.. I could write a thesis but I won't bother, that's how disappointed I am.

I never thought Apple, the epitome of elegance and advanced technology, would end up like this. Glitter photos and emoji obsession.. how far you have fallen Apple. This is a sombre week indeed.

Faerwell. Enjoy sending love hearts and disco messages to each other, a new breed of customer clearly populates the Apple fanbase now, my time has passed.
 
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But the Chinese market will never use iMessage unless it's Android friendly!!!! Everyone uses "WeChat" and "Line" here, never once have I been iMessaged.
There are rumors of Apple making it cross-platform. Though I suspect WeChat is half government-imposed and isn't going anywhere.
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OMG. How about fixing the most basic stuff first? Standard sms receipt is still not working (unless you manually type a specific string in front of every sms. Moreover, the string differs according to the carrier network). Even the most basic archaic phones can do this properly!

Regarding these new rich messages: If you are not connected to the internet, a message is sent as a sms (or mms in case of an image). What happens now? If I am not mistaken mms does not support this (quite useless) "enhancements"...
SMS and MMS aren't going to have new features. They're the "lowest common denominator" in terms of compatibility and don't even support read receipts AFAIK. Apple has no place messing with the standard anyway.
 
I share your opinion.

It's disgusting to see Apple pander to the juvenile market.
It's good probably that in reality that's not actually the case then, right?
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I've been an Apple user for 20 years, and I now have finally lost hope. I've put my iPhone for sale, and have no intention of buying a new one any time soon. This is without a doubt the ugliest piece of software Apple has ever made. What a shame.. I could write a thesis but I won't bother, that's how disappointed I am.

I never thought Apple, the epitome of elegance and advanced technology, would end up like this. Glitter photos and emoji obsession.. how far you have fallen Apple. This is a sombre week indeed.

Faerwell. Enjoy sending love hearts and disco messages to each other, a new breed of customer clearly populates the Apple fanbase now, my time has passed.
Good luck.
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I have a 2 year old niece. First words spoken were mommy, daddy, ipad and selfie.
And the previous few generations had "TV" and the like in their early vocabulary. Just like some previous ones had "car" or "airplane".
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Nice response however you are looking at this from a "your" perspective. Use iMessages a lot. For my work/peer circle (engineers) this is one feature hopefully we can turn off. Like iMessages. This though needs two options: I want the glitz vs. I don't want the glitz. I can see most of my kids going for glitz - if they used iPhones. They don't.

Improvement is a good thing. So is choice. Really really hope this has an off switch.

Messaging is the future? No. It is the most recent trend. What it looks like in a few years? It won't be this.
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That "older" grip is where most of the $$$ currently comes from.
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So if you set iMessages to off, does all this glitz go away?
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iMessage will remain in the iOS world unless it comes to Android also. After watching the video a couple of times I really don't see this taking off long term in its' current format. Unless everyone is has access to the same "functions" why would they leave the current "fun" app they are using?
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Because his market is not OS centric. Doesn't matter the OS, FB has it covered. This new iMessage, not so much.
So in relation to using iMessages a lot for "work/peer circle (engineers)", what is the issue there that would be encountered with these optional things being present? Are you saying that suddenly that circle of people will be using these things to annoy others or anything like that?
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All these new changes will work only when you using iMessage and won’t apply to standard SMS messages, right ?

If so, all these changes are pointless - as long as other OS platforms (mainly Android) won’t have this app it will never compete against the big players in the market, and will stay a small niche for Apple users (same like FaceTime).
So, same like FaceTime, clearly none of this is pointless given that plenty of people use FaceTime (and iMessage).
 
iMessage will remain in the iOS world unless it comes to Android also. After watching the video a couple of times I really don't see this taking off long term in its' current format. Unless everyone is has access to the same "functions" why would they leave the current "fun" app they are using?
I'm in the iOS world. I don't run any messaging apps other than iMessage. If you want to send me messages, you have to use iMessage, or SMS. Or email. (Or Facebook messages, but I'll respond to them when connect to Facebook on my laptop. I'm not saying you have to leave your "fun" app if it works for you. You just can't send me messages with it.

iMessage meets my needs and it's smoothly integrated.
 
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I am not opposed to any of the new stuff as an option, but I want the option to turn it off and keep Messages how it is now. That means I want to have some control over what I receive, not just what I choose to send.
You already have complete control over what you receive - ask people to not send you glitter-filled messages if you don't want such. If they persist, simply go punch them in the face repeatedly and then block their #. You won't have to worry about them sending you glitter-filled messages any more. This is a people problem, not a technological problem. Just as whether profanity is off-limits in a given conversation is governed by an implied social contract, so to with these new features.

What you're really asking for is to have Apple quietly censor your conversations by throwing away select pieces before they reach you. What if the meaning of the message changes in an important way by dropping those extra bits? And do you have this capability already in, say, email? Does your email client, for instance, silently remove profanity from messages you receive? Or do you count on the people you're communicating with to control their behavior to a (explicit or implied) standard? If a coworker in a business setting starts using a lot of profanity in business email, do you seek some sort of technological solution to censor their messages, or do you have a talk with that person about proper business etiquette?

You choose whether or not to receive these kinds of messages by whom you choose to communicate with, and how the two of you have agreed (implicitly or explicitly) to limit your conversations.
 
... as long as other OS platforms (mainly Android) won’t have this app it will never compete against the big players in the market, and will stay a small niche for Apple users (same like FaceTime).
Yes. A small niche where they only handle 200,000 messages a second (but then you probably do more than that with the server running in your coat closet at home, right?). Apple has a billion active devices out in the world. I think a lot of folks don't really get that Apple IS one of the big players in the market.

(Fun fact: FaceTime would have long since become an open, cross-platform, standard if not for a patent troll or two.)
 
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It's aimed at the Chinese market, which enjoys it especially.
pretty soon we will be filled w stickers and all movies will be of the same caliber as WarCraft.... :(

(Warcraft even beat Star wars and Furious 7 on China)
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Predictive emoji doesn't work for "poo" (). Why is that?
try "poop"? maybe that brings it out?

Its called:
  • Pile of Poo
  • Dog Dirt Emoji
  • Smiling Poop Emoji
 
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I just don't care about emojis and all kinds of bobbles and jingles on my messages. Has everyone become a little girl all of a sudden?

Strange how it is the supposed adults that are so obsessed with the software other people use.

You will notice that the "little girls" and "teenagers" and "slackers" don't feel a need to criticize when a new version of XCode or Numbers or Final Cut gets released; they understand that different people use different software.
Makes you realize which are the mature humans and which the not so mature...
 
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