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The greatest thing about everything related to audiophilia (spellcheck hasn't caught it so it must be a word!) is that by the time anyone can afford to buy anything described as audiophile, they're too old to hear anything...audiophile


Also, no one looks cool if they're wearing Apple headphones and an Apple watch while using an iPhone. It's like wearing an Adidas track suit.
 
Anyone tested for latency? Does the sound lag in videos? How big is the difference in latency between wireless connected Apple products and other brands? AppleTV vs any mainstream TV-set?
 
Apple took a page from Beats here. Nice headphones but overpriced for what they are. They look good but in no universe am I spending this much on headphones, especially if they aren't professionally focused. These things are cool looking but absurd.
 
The Privileged will enjoy these to help differentiate from those who aren't. The small group with God Ears (who make up less than .001% of the market because they hear things common people cant and then make up a cult called audiophiles) wont be carrying this product for Apple. Its the Privileged....simple. And if you cant afford them but still bought them...don't come here to defend your purchase by saying there are other headphones out there more expensive.
 
Bose QC35 are amazing and by all means a premium product, they beat the new Apple product in most departments, including cable/jack, case and price.

I'd think hard and long when choosing between the two. Bose does not have transparency mode nor auto-switching, and changing the paddings is rather cumbersome (they do get worn out once in a couple years). But the case is great, and audio jack does come in handy on airplanes (and yes, some of us still fly in 2020).
I have the Bose, an update last year mucked up the NC. They deny it, no fix. I was ready to move on.

To handle the audio jack, I just use an AirFly and have it paired to my AirPod Pro’s and now I will with the AirPod Max’s.
 
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I wish Apple would drop the audiophile nonsense.

Headphones/Earphones that really concentrate on audio do not have Noise Cancelling Algorithms, Spatial Cinema (Lol) or Bluetooth. All these things hinder, taint and ultimately ruin the source input. They are conveniences where the trade-off is really crappy sound.

If you're fine with that, (and the conveniences out-weigh the audio quality) then this new Apple offering is probably about as good as the Sony XM3 or XM4 - once you stop drooling over the design and actual concentrate on the audio quality.

I have a pair of XM3s. They're okay for watching a film or maybe YouTube but I'm under no illusion that these are what I would choose for actually listening to music. For that, I'd go to the Shure SE846 or something similar.
Would an audiophile even listen to music from an Apple device? The sound quality depends on more than just the headphones, it also depends on things like the player hardware and the audio filetype. Apple hardware tends to be pretty good, and these headphones might be pretty good for listening to stuff up to the limit Apple supports, but I doubt I would count any of it as audiophile-grade
 
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I promise I'm not an ******* but I did buy these. I wanted them to blow me away beyond anything I've ever used before in order for me to keep them. However it's hard to assess the audio quality over a long period of time because I constantly keep pulling them off of my head to relieve the pressure on my skull. The audio on the few conference calls I've had today were great but the tension from the mesh canopy is getting to be too much. I hope this rubber softens over time - I will give them another chance tomorrow. Looking forward to some peaceful music testing to distract me from the pain.
 
Where did Apple say that this was for audiophiles? Talking about how good they sound is what any company would do but it doesn't mean they're aiming for audiophiles. Anybody who is actually into sound quality will know these are not in that category. These are just "premium" headphones like Bang and Olufsen but priced higher because they can.
I think it was the price that implied it. Heavily implied it.
 
I guess the build quality doesn't photograph well.

At that price I need Apple to deliver new technology that somehow replicates dynamic sound while preserving eardrums.
 
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I promise I'm not an ******* but I did buy these. I wanted them to blow me away beyond anything I've ever used before in order for me to keep them. However it's hard to assess the audio quality over a long period of time because I constantly keep pulling them off of my head to relieve the pressure on my skull. The audio on the few conference calls I've had today were great but the tension from the mesh canopy is getting to be too much. I hope this rubber softens over time - I will give them another chance tomorrow. Looking forward to some peaceful music testing to distract me from the pain.
Oh man, please do keep us up to date. That is quite an important set of remarks.
 
The greatest thing about everything related to audiophilia (spellcheck hasn't caught it so it must be a word!) is that by the time anyone can afford to buy anything described as audiophile, they're too old to hear anything...audiophile


Also, no one looks cool if they're wearing Apple headphones and an Apple watch while using an iPhone. It's like wearing an Adidas track suit.
It’s a good thing I don’t buy gadgets to “look cool.” The iPhone is a tool, the Apple Watch is a tool, and the AirPods lineup are all tools for most people. Contrary to what Apple haters would you have believe, I have yet to meet someone who buys Apple stuff to “look cool.” It’s only used in a pejorative way from non-Apple users in an effort to feel clever as they cling to their outdated, laggy android phone that haz customz ROMZ! No one noticed or cares what devices/gadgets you’re using, and if you are the 1% that cares, all the Apple gadgets in the world won’t help you.
 
I promise I'm not an ******* but I did buy these. I wanted them to blow me away beyond anything I've ever used before in order for me to keep them. However it's hard to assess the audio quality over a long period of time because I constantly keep pulling them off of my head to relieve the pressure on my skull. The audio on the few conference calls I've had today were great but the tension from the mesh canopy is getting to be too much. I hope this rubber softens over time - I will give them another chance tomorrow. Looking forward to some peaceful music testing to distract me from the pain.
You should return them right away. Headphones should be comfortable from day one. Having pain from them is a big red flag.
 
FU headphones — for the rest of us. :D Apple decided to turn up the profit volume for accessories as they take advantage of their customer base. Some accessories are now missing, a 100% adder to the bottom line. Others are simply priced to scam the faithful. These headphones and the HomePod are examples of products that are poor values.
 
other than the train-wreck of a case, my biggest complaint is how they feel around your neck if you take them off your head, they clank together in an irritating way, no way you'll want walk around with these around your neck, also the only way to have them around your neck is with the cups facing out.

Wearing them around your neck might not be a deal breaker but given how hideous the case is, it might be something you'll be considering.
 
It’s a good thing I don’t buy gadgets to “look cool.” The iPhone is a tool, the Apple Watch is a tool, and the AirPods lineup are all tools for most people. Contrary to what Apple haters would you have believe, I have yet to meet someone who buys Apple stuff to “look cool.” It’s only used in a pejorative way from non-Apple users in an effort to feel clever as they cling to their outdated, laggy android phone that haz customz ROMZ! No one noticed or cares what devices/gadgets you’re using, and if you are the 1% that cares, all the Apple gadgets in the world won’t help you.
Oh, sorry. I guess I struck a nerve with that one. I wasn't serious at all, but now I'm thinking about it. If the average iPhone costs around $800, the headphones are $550, and the watch is like $400, that's a lot of money for tools that don't look cool. But you know, you still gotta mix up your tools.

Like I would never wear all the same brand. I'd carry a Louis bag (carrying tool), wear Gucci shoes (walking tools), and a Valentino scarf (warming tool). I could wear all those tools without coming close to the price of all those Apple tools and not even look like a tool while doing it
 
FU headphones — for the rest of us. :D Apple decided to turn up the profit volume for accessories as they take advantage of their customer base. Some accessories are now missing, a 100% adder to the bottom line. Others are simply priced to scam the faithful. These headphones and the HomePod are examples of products that are poor values.
You missed off “to me” at the end of your sentence.
 
Oh, sorry. I guess I struck a nerve with that one. I wasn't serious at all, but now I'm thinking about it. If the average iPhone costs around $800, the headphones are $550, and the watch is like $400, that's a lot of money for tools that don't look cool. But you know, you still gotta mix up your tools.

Like I would never wear all the same brand. I'd carry a Louis bag (carrying tool), wear Gucci shoes (walking tools), and a Valentino scarf (warming tool). I could wear all those tools without coming close to the price of all those Apple tools and not even look like a tool while doing it
Yeah but those tools dont work together..... bit different really.
I would buy these headphones for the convenience of them working with my other tools, so all tools work in unison.

Myself and my partner both have Bluetooth issues with our B&O Headphones, and get a bit bored with re-linking them up.

Also I cant tax deduct Gucci shoes easily, plus there is nothing much left on the planet that makes you look a total tool than Gucci shoes :)
 
They may be expensive, but I have never seen more polish on a pair of over the ear headphones.
Have you never seen anything by B&O? I'd take the actual premium materials on my H95 over these any day. You know, ultra-soft lambskin on the ear cushions, memory foam, leather headband, polished aluminium casing, and a stunning hard case.

Apple are way off with these and I really wanted them to be so much better.
 
I kinda wish that for just one day people could talk about the headphones themselves and not the price. I’m really looking for in insightful comments about the actual headphones and its features, but I’m having a hard time finding them in the sea of comments about price. I don’t know if I have ever seen the internet commiserate so much over the price of a product, even more than the XDR stand or Mac Pro wheels it seems like. I’m guessing it’s because more of the mainstream actually wants this product.

But if we’re going to talk about price, it seems to me that Apple priced these headphones exactly right (from a business point of view), precisely because people are agitated while sales seem to be decent. The agitation means Apple has a very desirable product and the price is testing that desirability. As long as they’re maintaining sales, that’s the balance that Apple (and any company) wants to strike. Because the people who are willing to pay the price will pay, and many of the people who are agitated will eventually come up with the money once their frustration subsides.

FYI I’m not actually planning to buy these headphones. My interest is purely out of curiosity.
 
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