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I held and compared both in the Apple Store the other day. The MacBook 12 is still significantly lighter and smaller. It makes a big difference when you need to travel light and every ounce matters.

Apple should really rename the MacBook Air the “MacBook” and make the 12” the MacBook Air, but I don’t know how they do that without confusing the hell out of everybody at this point.

MacBook Air is definitely the best value compared to the 12”

If "best value" is lighter, and more travel friendly, then I think 12" - despite being a bit more expensive - make sense.
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You’d be surprised how much .75 lbs and a couples inches ...counts.

This. Fully agree -- for a frequent traveler, this is really important.
 
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Super hard to understand?

12” MacBook for the ultra portable
13” MacBook (Air) for general computing
13” MacBook Pro for compact power
15” MacBook Pro for maximum specs.

The range goes up in price, weight and performance. Simple.
Except you're not accounting for crossover specs and price, which is where the comparisons get a bit messy.
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you bought an old,outdated, massively underpowered laptop with a truly awful screen in 2018 on the same day the new one came out ?
He said he bought a used but as new condition 2017 MBA. As for your claim of "underpowered" the new MBA is hardly a racehorse by comparison. So I'd say good for him, he probably got a great deal if he can live with the non-Retina display.
 
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no. for 1199, it better contain 256GB.
You want to pay $1,199 instead of 1,399. So this is just the typical “Apple is too expensive for me” complaint we’ve seen a ten or twenty million times over the past three and a half decades.
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No. The 256GB should have been the entry model at $1,199.
Why? The 256GB 12” MacBook is $1,299.

And $1,199 is the price of the previous 256GB MacBook Air. You can still buy that 256GB entry level model for $1,199 if you choose.

What you’re really saying if you want the new 256GB MacBook Air for $1,199 is that you want the Retina screen upgrade, TouchID and Thunderbolt 3 for free.
 
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I honestly don't understand the constant bellyaching by "media types" about the butterfly keyboard, as well as the "get rid of the Touch Bar" sentiment. I have a 2016 MBP with Touch Bar. I really like the keyboard, I've not had a single problem with it. Also the Touch Bar is absolutely a productivity increaser. I use it for practically everything I do and absolutely love it.
 
I'm not that keen on Face ID and much prefer the Touch ID and with that said I'm very happy with the Touch ID on my new MacBook Air.

Even if you like Touch ID on iPhones (I disagree, as after using Touch ID for years I instantly found Face ID to be much faster and more convenient for me), it seems awkward on a laptop. Face ID would be much more natural to use - just open the laptop (or put your face in front of the screen) and you'd be logged in.

Putting a Touch ID sensor in the keyboard just seems awkward to me, and I wonder why they've done it. Is Face ID that much more expensive? I doubt it!
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I really like the keyboard, I've not had a single problem with it.

I wouldn't mind the keyboard on mine, except the keys frequently jam up when dust and debris gets under them. No doubt because I spend too much time in cafes eating sandwiches with my laptop open.

I've heard that it's solved in the 2018 models by the addition of the "key condom" which prevents ingress of dust and dirt into the mechanism.
 
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Hmmm. Depends if your local bakery was selling hotcakes 3 years past their sell-by date, having repackaged them in fancy wrappers and sprinkled them in metallic glitter.

Awesome analogy. It is shocking how they make these even more out of date as new products, just when you think they've turned a corner. And the pricing is crazier than ever, even compared to Surface products. What a crazy time.
 
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Even if you like Touch ID on iPhones (I disagree, as after using Touch ID for years I instantly found Face ID to be much faster and more convenient for me), it seems awkward on a laptop. Face ID would be much more natural to use - just open the laptop (or put your face in front of the screen) and you'd be logged in.

Putting a Touch ID sensor in the keyboard just seems awkward to me, and I wonder why they've done it. Is Face ID that much more expensive? I doubt it!
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I wouldn't mind the keyboard on mine, except the keys frequently jam up when dust and debris gets under them. No doubt because I spend too much time in cafes eating sandwiches with my laptop open.

I've heard that it's solved in the 2018 models by the addition of the "key condom" which prevents ingress of dust and dirt into the mechanism.

What I don't understand is why TouchID was not added to all of Apple's laptops 5 or 6 years ago when it debuted on the iPhone. Seems to me that Apple missed the opportunity to cash in on the hype of what was then a brand new and very helpful technology.
 
Would you prefer a $1,399 256GB entry level model instead, with no $1,199 128GB model available at all?

It's kind of a sleight of hand on Apple's part so they can say it's their lowest priced laptop. But 128GB in this day and age is a joke. Anyone with modest requirements now and wishing to future proof the laptop will want the 256GB. Of course, this is nothing new - Apple has been charging exorbitant prices for added storage and RAM for years.
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But why does it still have a headphone jack?

They lost their "courage" when designing the laptop.
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128GB is a total non starter for me.

$200 to upgrade to 256GB is laughable.

Agreed. Based on previous years, do you expect there might be a discount on the 256GB version during the holidays?
 
But why does it still have a headphone jack?
This might be seen as a troll / joke comment but I think it is a good question actually.

One way to look at it is that it is very inconsistent to continue to offer this legacy port when Apple clearly wants people to move to Bluetooth or USB-C for all of the things.

But another way to look at it is this is one of several customer-oriented compromises made on this machine that have been surprising to people: a lot of people still want a headphone jack, it is easier than an adapter and dongle.

So this could be grouped in with making the batteries replaceable and offering Touch ID without the loathsome touchbar. And more broadly that the company is softening somewhat with what many people felt was a dogmatic approach to design over functionality and port progressiveness over practicality.

For me personally, I'd prefer it have been a 3rd USB-C on the right side. That would have been much better for my purposes.

Edit: Another way to look at this is that if the next Macbook is ARM and all USB-C on both sides--this older machine will serve as a true workhorse for some time for people who really want or need x86 and at least one older port. With the more easily replaceable batteries, the 2018 may be in use for a lot of folks in 2026.
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What I don't understand is why TouchID was not added to all of Apple's laptops 5 or 6 years ago when it debuted on the iPhone. Seems to me that Apple missed the opportunity to cash in on the hype of what was then a brand new and very helpful technology.
Good question.

For one, I think Apple uses specific features to drive sales of very specific products. You see this on iPhone where iPad doesn't get the newest stuff until long after it has been on the new flagship iPhone.

But I also I think Apple spent a lot of time trying to decide whether they would support the touchbar and tether touch id to it or not. And also, whether Face ID would usurp Touch ID and how to time offering that in laptops instead.

Regardless, I think after a difficult decision process they are dumping the touchbar. I think we'll see a new magic keyboard next year with touch ID but now TB in it.
 
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It's kind of a sleight of hand on Apple's part so they can say it's their lowest priced laptop. But 128GB in this day and age is a joke. Anyone with modest requirements now and wishing to future proof the laptop will want the 256GB. Of course, this is nothing new - Apple has been charging exorbitant prices for added storage and RAM for years.
128GB might not be enough for you, but I think you’d be surprised how many users don’t have your same requirements. Especially business customers.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the entry level Air was the most popular. Apple’s ASP for Mac is up over previous years, but in the latest quarter it’s still less than $1,400. They sell a LOT of entry level-priced machines, whether Air, MacBook, MBP or iMac.
 
LOL Gotta love the writer of this review - and their conclusion that the new MacBook Air is NOT as portable as the MacBook ... - Yeah that extra 1/8 of an inch thickness with an entire 1/3 of a pound extra weight just makes this new MacBook Air completely impossible for anyone to carry around. It is so heavy and difficult to handle you might as well go back and dust off your true portable machine, the Macintosh Portable, and charge up a few spare lead batteries to get a whole hour or two out of its glorious non backlit monochrome display.
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I'll take the slightly increased weight and thickness or the Air for its superior weight distribution when used in the lap. The 12" MacBook has a higher center of gravity, and pitches forward too easily.
 
The new machine is so much faster in daily use than the fully loaded 2015 11", I'm surprised I ever doubted it wouldn't be. The 2015 11 air is super super slow compared to the feel of the new one.
 
I wanted to love the MBA, the specs sound OK and it'll be powerful enough for my use.

But, having just compared them to the 13" MBP

1. The size and weight difference is minimal to me
2. The screen seemed dim in store at 100% brightness compared to the MBP.

Sure it's cheaper - but you get less... I'll wait for a refurb MBP with the specs I want
 
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I think so too. Seems like more of a gimmick/excuse to pay more for the Macbook Pro laptops to me. I mean, I have a Macbook Pro with it and it's cool-looking and gives you a feature you can't get on any competing Windows laptop. But realistically, the ability to use the fingerprint Touch ID is really the most useful part of it. So makes sense they just put that part on the new Airs to keep costs down a bit.

If I'm focused on the screen and working with software that has its own menus and keyboard shortcuts, it's not usually saving me time at all to look down at the touchbar, where I have to scan my eyes across all of the options that are lit up at a given point in time, to see if there's a useful one to tap.

If Apple was more committed to it - I think they'd at least sell an external wireless keyboard with it built in by now.

I feel like the Touchbar is kind of dead at this point. If only a fraction of models have it (not even all MBPs) there is not as much incentive for developers to fully embrace it.
 
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If Apple was more committed to it - I think they'd at least sell an external wireless keyboard with it built in by now.
I think this definitely the case and the next magic keyboard will include Touch ID and no Touch Bar. Will probably cost $140 still.

But now that I know how good Touch ID can be on a laptop—I need it for when I’m docked.
 
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Would you prefer a $1,399 256GB entry level model instead, with no $1,199 128GB model available at all?
If he need 256GB, how will the availability of 128GB affect him? It doesn't matter whether it exists or not. He will still buy the 256GB model. In your proposed scenario, it is even at the same price.
 
Regardless, I think after a difficult decision process they are dumping the touchbar. I think we'll see a new magic keyboard next year with touch ID but now TB in it.

Why not just make the leap to FaceID on the MBP? This way, Apple can save face when they eliminate the Touch Bar.
 
If he need 256GB, how will the availability of 128GB affect him? It doesn't matter whether it exists or not. He will still buy the 256GB model. In your proposed scenario, it is even at the same price.
That was my point. But what the OP actually wanted was the 256GB for $1,199 instead of $1,399. Just the usual “too expensive” complaint we’ve heard millions of times over the last 35 years. Might as well complain the iPhone XS should be $799 or the XR should be $549.
 
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