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Happy 20th Birthday!

Please Reopen the iTMS Europe thread moderators!

Sorry to butt in here, but having spent the last 15 mins reading all the posts in the iTMS for Europe thread I was really miffed that on reaching the end the moderators had closed it. Doh! How do I contribute to the discussion now Stormtroopers? Your closing the thread is a bit extreme. I think it would have been a good idea to issue a warning to those flame throwing contributors first dont you think? Or at least indicating that the thread was "closed" on the Macrumors front page so that those of us who like to contribute to threads we read would be able to properly decide whether to read it or not. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. In case you didn't notice there were lots of people contributing to the discussion just fine.
 
Re: Please Reopen the iTMS Europe thread moderators!

Originally posted by desdomg
Sorry to butt in here
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Your post is irrelevant, if you want to complain start a new thread or contact a moderator.
 
Did the "Mac" really survive to turn 20?

To me, Steve Jobs killed "the Mac" when he killed OS 9.

OS X is wonderful and I haven't looked back, but these new systems we use are Macs in name only. It's great that Apple replaced the Mac with a UNIX machine and brought the ease-of-use of the original Mac to UNIX (or did NextStep do that?), but I don't think it's accurate to say that the Mac is still alive, except in spirit only. I'm sure many will disagree... but hey, I like to cause trouble ;-) ...which is why I use a Mac (or whatever you call it ;-)
 
Re: Re: Please Reopen the iTMS Europe thread moderators!

Originally posted by Finiksa
Your post is irrelevant, if you want to complain start a new thread or contact a moderator.
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I think the only irrelevant post here is yours. What was the point of it exactly? The point of mine WAS to complain and make the issue known to a moderator!
 
desdomg:

This is the "Happy Birthday, Mac" thread, and I fail to see how
your posts are at all related to the topic.
This has been a great, fun thread so far, with lots of interesting personal stories, and I hope we can get back to the topic now!
 
Originally posted by true777
desdomg:

This is the "Happy Birthday, Mac" thread, and I fail to see how
your posts are at all related to the topic.
This has been a great, fun thread so far, with lots of interesting personal stories, and I hope we can get back to the topic now!
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Please carry on. Enjoy your thread.
 
It lives!

Originally posted by the future
I think the biggest and best thing Apple could do on monday (or tuesday, or someday) would be to introduce a new line of headless machines with single G5s and make the Power Mac lineup all-dual. And I wouldn't mind at all if the new machines would look something like this...
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Heh heh. The "Fat Mac" lives again!
 
Why set a precedent?

Everyone is waiting for the big news, including me, who's in the market for something new this year, and there isn't anything suitable yet. But I was thinking...this is the 20th anniversary, and not particularly important as birthdays go (for a machine, at least). If something big is released on Monday then it will set a precedent. What will we expect for the 21st!! The 25th anniversary, then the 30th, not to mention every birthday in between... If nothing is released Jan 24th every year they'll be a lot of disappointed people...and it may be taken as a negative sign - when, of course, it shouldn't be. The natural progression of technology follows a course completely unconnected with historical dates.

It seems to me very wise of Apple not to fall into the trap of giving us loyal users a big surprise this time around and making a rod for their own backs in the future.

Having said that, the 21st IS a big event...the G6 perhaps!?

******
Whatever, looking forward to my third computer: this, my second, a G3. My first... a ZX81. Can anyone beat an 18 year gap? Never owned a Windows machine though :)
 
Re: Wish

Originally posted by u2mr2os2
And whatever they do, let's hope it's not another "20th anniversary Mac" like the last one, which was nearly a year late and cost $10,000! HELLO! I thought this was supposed to be the computer for the rest of us, not the rest of Steve's rich friends who could afford such a thing. I could hope they will announce a 20" 2.0 GHz G5 iMac for $2000, but they won't. They'll probably price it at $2495 to "celebrate" the original Mac price.
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Couple things.
1) The 20th Aniversary Mac was under Amelio not Steve Jobs/John Ives

2) A 1.6 ghz G5 + 20" screen costs over $3000, an iMac that came in at $2500 would be well worth the price

3) You get what you pay for. After watching countless friends have problem after problem with Compaqs/Dells/HPs etc I don't mind paying a little more money now for higher quality in the long run
 
BTW - after getting together with friends in Sunnyvale tonight, I decided to drive by Apple, just to see if any lat-night festivities were going on (since Cupertino is right next to Sunnyvale and it was only a five-minute detour from my drive home). Anyway - nothing!

I was pretty disappointed. There weren't even any cars in their lot.
It was 1.30am already, though, so maybe they're all just early risers and things had been happening earlier in the evening. Oh well. Seems like they're all work - no play these days.
 
Originally posted by iPost
Did the "Mac" really survive to turn 20?

To me, Steve Jobs killed "the Mac" when he killed OS 9.

OS X is wonderful and I haven't looked back, but these new systems we use are Macs in name only. It's great that Apple replaced the Mac with a UNIX machine and brought the ease-of-use of the original Mac to UNIX (or did NextStep do that?), but I don't think it's accurate to say that the Mac is still alive, except in spirit only. I'm sure many will disagree... but hey, I like to cause trouble ;-) ...which is why I use a Mac (or whatever you call it ;-)
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While the Mac OS is different in many ways, it is so much the same. The same ease of use, the attention to detail, the desire to put the user first. Apple showed with MacOS X that it could take a powerful but somewhat less than easy to use core and wrap it in Mac goodness and excell. I have had LESS problems with OS X than I ever did with OS 9 and before. Do you all remember extension conflicts ?!? *shudder*. Microsoft is STILL trying to make their GUI work over DOS. So the doc is different from the original Apple menu? So the buttons are all on one side, its the spirit of the Mac that makes it a Mac, not whether the windows look the same. Heck if you Compare System 1, MacOS 9 and Panther, I'd say MacOS 9 is more like Panther than the original System. (And you thought you were going to get tarred and feathered :D )
 
Re: Please Reopen the iTMS Europe thread moderators!

Originally posted by desdomg
Sorry to butt in here, but having spent the last 15 mins reading all the posts in the iTMS for Europe thread I was really miffed that on reaching the end the moderators had closed it. Doh! How do I contribute to the discussion now Stormtroopers? Your closing the thread is a bit extreme. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. In case you didn't notice there were lots of people contributing to the discussion just fine.
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I think they did the right thing. When a thread starts turning into a relgious and politcal war, warnings wont help. Rather than let things escalate they cut it off at the source to calm things down. Maybe they will oepn up a new thread, or re-open the current one once people have calmed down. Most people around here are pretty good at behaving but when people start swearing and personally insulting people and their beliefs its gone to far.
 
The same old Mac? Maybe.

Originally posted by Krizoitz
While the Mac OS is different in many ways, it is so much the same. The same ease of use, the attention to detail, the desire to put the user first. Apple showed with MacOS X that it could take a powerful but somewhat less than easy to use core and wrap it in Mac goodness and excell.
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Yes, they did.

I'd like to point out that a sea-change occurred between 9 and X: suddenly the UI emphasis was on eye candy over functionality. For instance, the window controls are now grouped together (red, yellow, green). Was the change made for improved functionality? No -- any UI expert (and common sense) will tell you that the destructive control (red) should be widely separated from the non-destructive controls (yellow and green). Funny, that's just like OS9! Did Apple make the change to be more like Windoze? No, they're on the wrong side (just the other day, an acquaintance was on my machine, and asked where the window buttons were). So why did Apple make the change? Because they liked the traffic-light metaphor (eye candy). Before you argue that the metaphor is user-friendly, Ask Tog.

Of course X has lots of goodies that I like. But it was 2 big steps forward and one big unnecessary step back, mostly in the name of consumer-pleasing eye candy. Apple is slowly giving us back some of the functionality we lost (like labels), and cleaning up the worst of the UI gaffes. I look forward to the day that I feel as good about X as I did 9.
 
Re: Re: Good ole' days

Originally posted by Scottgfx
As an employee of Commodore once said... "Commodore isn't a computer company, they are a company that makes widgets." I may be paraphrasing a bit, but just imagine what would have happened if Apple bought Amiga before Commodore? Sadly, Commodore never knew what to do with the Amiga technology.
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Yeah, I worked for Commodore-Amiga briefly as an "Amiga Student On Campus Consultant" at U of AZ during the spring of 1991. I was supposed to basically be a salesperson and to help support users in the area. The trick was to do it with no budget. I got paid a pittance and they wouldn't even give me demo machines. (I had one A3000/25 in the student union that was placed there by a local Amiga dealer) The most I was given was some banners, t-shirts and glossy's. Meanwhile Apple and IBM are pouring $1000's into events on the mall and whatnot. It was very frustrating.

They eventually laid of my boss and I never heard back from Commodore. (Heck, maybe I was still on their payroll 'till they shut their doors!)

NewTek did more for the Amiga than Commodore ever would have.

PS: My brother's got an old A2500 that I've been thinking of taking, but I've got no room for it. :(
 
Monday could be great timing for me. I'm about to put an order in for 600K worth of Apple stuff.
At the end of February I go to Cupertino, all expenses paid by Apple!
I'd love to see some upgrades on their desktops. G5 laptops are not a big issue with me, but I plan on getting about 150 iBooks, and G4 is fine. However, with this possible "big" event, it could make some prices drop so I can get even more.

Happy birthday Apple, from a guy using your gear since 1985.
 
Re: Wish

Originally posted by u2mr2os2
And whatever they do, let's hope it's not another "20th anniversary Mac" like the last one, which was nearly a year late and cost $10,000! HELLO! I thought this was supposed to be the computer for the rest of us, not the rest of Steve's rich friends who could afford such a thing. I could hope they will announce a 20" 2.0 GHz G5 iMac for $2000, but they won't. They'll probably price it at $2495 to "celebrate" the original Mac price.
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Yeah, it was a bit expensive when it was introduced. And it didn't sell that well. They only made something like 12,000 of them.

Having said that, some of us got ours for $2,000 when they liquidated the stock.

In a word, at that price and time, it was a wonderful computer.

And today, it still is. It works fine with System 7.6 through System 9.2 (Which I run on mine).

It has a built in TV Tuner.

Nice sounding Bose stereo system. Very nice sounding. Beats most computer speaker systems that I have heard.

Can be accelerated to a G3/500 (Sonnet Tech Crescendo/L2 accelerator). Pretty decent performance for most Office and other similar type apps.

Can install up to 128MB of RAM which is enough for most common uses.

Not sure of the maximum size one can use, but upgraded to a 20GB HD with no problems.

And you can use USB and FW devices via the PCI expansion slot. So you can always add more external storage.

Ethernet is no problem.

And the display...simply awesome. Very very nice. (I say that compared to my 22 inch Cinema Display).

Overall the TAM looks very cool! A very nice well thought out design when they were made.

I would love seeing Apple create something similar with today's technology. Especially if Apple could offer it for $2,500 or less.

Then again, I may just be dreaming...

Sushi
 
Re: The same old Mac? Maybe.

Originally posted by splashman
Before you argue that the metaphor is user-friendly, Ask Tog.
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I still disagree, alot of new computer users I know find the controls easier, and while the widgets should be seperated they don't need to be so spread out you have to go to different corners.

I have read Tog's stuff and I agree with alot of it, but I don't think he is the final say on UI. Just because he would do it one way doesn't mean that another way isn't good, just that he doesn't think so.

And yes Apple has tried to make the Mac more visually appealing, but thats nothing new. They added color in System 7, and more in Mac OS 8.
 
Originally posted by iPost
Did the "Mac" really survive to turn 20?

To me, Steve Jobs killed "the Mac" when he killed OS 9.
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If killing OS9 is killing the Mac then good riddens - the king is dead, long live the king :) As a fairly recent Apple convert I can tell you with absolute certainty, myself and the other 8 people at my office who have recently moved over to the Mac (developers and system admins) would have never even considered doing it with OS9. That was a horrible OS in terms of both technology and feel and I for one am glad that its gone and wish that it would stop coming installed on some machines so I'd have to stop removing that partition when friends and family members ask about it :)
 
Originally posted by MrSmith
Just to sully the waters a little...

How old is Microsoft, and what did they do/release on their last big anniversary? Or didn't anyone care/notice?
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That's not how Microsoft marketing works. Remember that Microsoft is all about selling to the pointy-haired boss, not college kids: they're about selling Escorts, not mini-Coopers.

http://www.microsoft.com/museum/musTimeline.mspx

Paul Allen and Bill Gates sold their first product in 1975; the company's official start date is I think 1978. Windows shipped in 1985 (though it was announced in 1983). So next year will be Windows' 20th anniversary, and the main thing I expect to see is a press release (like the 20 years of writing software for the Mac press release that came out at MacWorld).
 
Originally posted by iPost
Did the "Mac" really survive to turn 20?

To me, Steve Jobs killed "the Mac" when he killed OS 9.

OS X is wonderful and I haven't looked back, but these new systems we use are Macs in name only. It's great that Apple replaced the Mac with a UNIX machine and brought the ease-of-use of the original Mac to UNIX (or did NextStep do that?), but I don't think it's accurate to say that the Mac is still alive, except in spirit only. I'm sure many will disagree... but hey, I like to cause trouble ;-) ...which is why I use a Mac (or whatever you call it ;-)
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i dont think many people agree with your view- myself included. Did Ford kill the Mustang when they went electronic fuel injection? DId Colnago kill the C-40 when they added HP chainstays? Its called technology my friend.
The Mac is not dead, its simply better and more advanced.
 
Well I just got back from the Menlo Park Mall Apple store and no signs of a birthday bash. I spoke with one of the employees about the rumors floating around of Apple releasing something new. He said he dosn't know anything about it. He said that if there is something out tomorrow, it would probably be something new in the G5 line. Maybe a new Power-Mac G5 or G5 iMac?
 
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