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The nub n this thing is ridiculously huge

Did you test it? Sometimes I still surprise myself about what can be done with a big tip (p.e. Maglus). While writing, I hardly ever look at the tip itself, but rather go by the movements I make. From a certain moment on, you even get used to the offset. Of course, fine touches on high detail drawings/paintings could prove to be the exception to the rule.

What worries me more is the deformation of the tip, as can be seen in the picture where the Graphite is drawing a big black curl. This may be caused by a certain softness of the tip or (worse) a tip that sticks to the glass. Can anyone comment on that?
 
FAQ: why the tips on iPad styluses huge?

It wouldn't be rocket science to make a stylus with a slimmer tip right? Then why do most stylus makers make them thick?

I think the problem is with the iPad touch surface. It's designed for the accuracy of finger, not a thin stylus. It doesn't matter if you have a thin stylus tip, the iPad doesn't recognize that extra precision, and when the stylus get too small, the iPad will have trouble recognizing it altogether.
 
Well, I got a chance to do some real playing, and I think they are very close, if they can solve a couple issues.

I like the fact that with the style of this stylus, where accuracy isn't the #1 goal, they didn't bother trying to make this pen-like. I got the walnut version more for the wood shell rather than the magnets, and I'm glad I did. The wood shell is a tad softer than a metal one, and the idea of making it shaped like a carpenter's pencil was a smart one. The weight and balance is very nice, and it really does feel good for doing graphical outlines which is what I want a stylus for. Things like sketching out a possible UI, or how modular pieces fit together, and so on. My sketching is a lot more abstract/drafting, than artistic in nature.

The two tips detect if they are touching the screen, so that Paper can determine if it is a finger, pencil or eraser on the screen. So no accelerometer like I would have expected, but that means orientation doesn't matter. You can hold the iPad over your head and the tips are detected correctly. No pressure sensitivity, but for this particular app (ignoring the general idea of using this as a stylus in many apps), it is perfectly fine for me.

The nibs definitely have some give on them like the larger rubber nibs tend to suggest. They do have a more firm core, which helps give them a proper firm feel compared to a foam-core rubber nib. But there's definitely an air gap between the rubber and the metal tips. The writing end is wrapped in a very dense foam to get the shape, and the metal tip extends beyond that. It'd be nicer if the rubber was a bit more "tight" to be honest, but beyond that I don't have any complaints there.

My real issues are two-fold:
  • The OS fights palm rejection, which is a pain. Multitasking Gestures (which I do like), Command Center, Notification Center, and palms near the edge of the screen being picked up as points are all somewhat painful.
  • The style of nibs seems to create a situation where you can generate a touch event without the Pencil realizing that it is touching the screen. This causes Paper to treat it like a finger rather than the pencil. Upside is that while I can repro it consistently, you have to have a VERY light touch.
  • There are a couple bugs lurking where I go to erase, and it is obvious that Paper knows the touch event is not a finger, but doesn't actually erase or write. Hopefully it gets fixed quickly.

I've still got an Apex on the way at some point that I'll want to compare as well, and the Jot Script is still interesting, but there are no apps that I use that support the BT connectivity (I really just use Paper + OneNote at the moment).

Still, the Pencil is now my favorite stylus of those I've used, although the first BT stylus I've used. I don't think it can replace a pen-style stylus like note takers might want, but it isn't focused on it. Although my previous favorite was the Alupen, overall, and the Pencil completely replaces it. Still have a Jot Pro, a couple "standard" capacitive styluses, and a pen-style Kensington stylus whose nib was just too small to get consistent recognition by the iPad… all sitting in a drawer unloved.
 
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What worries me more is the deformation of the tip, as can be seen in the picture where the Graphite is drawing a big black curl. This may be caused by a certain softness of the tip or (worse) a tip that sticks to the glass. Can anyone comment on that?

To answer this question specifically now that they are getting into folks' hands...

This is the result of the air gap between the metal tip and the rubber cover over it. So the rubber is free to slide around. It doesn't stick to the glass, and glides across the glass fine. It doesn't hurt the operation of the stylus, but it is a bit weird.
 
Krevnik - thanks for the review, which was more informative than most of what's on pro sites.

I ordered mine about a week ago, so I probably won't receive it for another few weeks. I just have some iFaradays with microfiber tips and no bluetooth. They feel really good so it'll be interesting to compare them to a rubber tipped stylus.
 
To answer this question specifically now that they are getting into folks' hands...

This is the result of the air gap between the metal tip and the rubber cover over it. So the rubber is free to slide around. It doesn't stick to the glass, and glides across the glass fine. It doesn't hurt the operation of the stylus, but it is a bit weird.

Many thanks for the review and this clear answer Krevnik!
No idea when the Pencil will be available in Europe.
 
Well, I got a chance to do some real playing, and I think they are very close, if they can solve a couple issues.

I like the fact that with the style of this stylus, where accuracy isn't the #1 goal, they didn't bother trying to make this pen-like. I got the walnut version more for the wood shell rather than the magnets, and I'm glad I did. The wood shell is a tad softer than a metal one, and the idea of making it shaped like a carpenter's pencil was a smart one. The weight and balance is very nice, and it really does feel good for doing graphical outlines which is what I want a stylus for. Things like sketching out a possible UI, or how modular pieces fit together, and so on. My sketching is a lot more abstract/drafting, than artistic in nature.

The two tips detect if they are touching the screen, so that Paper can determine if it is a finger, pencil or eraser on the screen. So no accelerometer like I would have expected, but that means orientation doesn't matter. You can hold the iPad over your head and the tips are detected correctly. No pressure sensitivity, but for this particular app (ignoring the general idea of using this as a stylus in many apps), it is perfectly fine for me.

The nibs definitely have some give on them like the larger rubber nibs tend to suggest. They do have a more firm core, which helps give them a proper firm feel compared to a foam-core rubber nib. But there's definitely an air gap between the rubber and the metal tips. The writing end is wrapped in a very dense foam to get the shape, and the metal tip extends beyond that. It'd be nicer if the rubber was a bit more "tight" to be honest, but beyond that I don't have any complaints there.

My real issues are two-fold:
  • The OS fights palm rejection, which is a pain. Multitasking Gestures (which I do like), Command Center, Notification Center, and palms near the edge of the screen being picked up as points are all somewhat painful.
  • The style of nibs seems to create a situation where you can generate a touch event without the Pencil realizing that it is touching the screen. This causes Paper to treat it like a finger rather than the pencil. Upside is that while I can repro it consistently, you have to have a VERY light touch.
  • There are a couple bugs lurking where I go to erase, and it is obvious that Paper knows the touch event is not a finger, but doesn't actually erase or write. Hopefully it gets fixed quickly.

I've still got an Apex on the way at some point that I'll want to compare as well, and the Jot Script is still interesting, but there are no apps that I use that support the BT connectivity (I really just use Paper + OneNote at the moment).

Still, the Pencil is now my favorite stylus of those I've used, although the first BT stylus I've used. I don't think it can replace a pen-style stylus like note takers might want, but it isn't focused on it. Although my previous favorite was the Alupen, overall, and the Pencil completely replaces it. Still have a Jot Pro, a couple "standard" capacitive styluses, and a pen-style Kensington stylus whose nib was just too small to get consistent recognition by the iPad… all sitting in a drawer unloved.


My mom is getting an iPad Air for her business soon, she is an interior designer. Her goal is to find a stylus that would allow her to do some drafting on the iPad. Do you think this stylus can be accurate enough to allow that?
 
My mom is getting an iPad Air for her business soon, she is an interior designer. Her goal is to find a stylus that would allow her to do some drafting on the iPad. Do you think this stylus can be accurate enough to allow that?

I wouldn't expect it to really get support for anything other than Paper, which isn't exactly a drafting app. Outside of Paper, it is just like any other passive stylus on the market, really.

The right stylus really depends on the app you intend to use, and personal preferences. There is no single one-size-fits all winner in this market (yet).
 
The weight and balance is very nice, and it really does feel good for doing graphical outlines which is what I want a stylus for. Things like sketching out a possible UI, or how modular pieces fit together, and so on. My sketching is a lot more abstract/drafting, than artistic in nature.

Just curious, based on this use description, why you aren't using an app like Goodnotes which, from my experience, is a lot more powerful (and easy to use) than Paper or OneNote (which I love on the PC - getting better on iOS). You can just treat the page like a blank piece of paper if you want, but you can also use shape recognition, easily move individual hand-drawn elements around the page, etc. And since it has bluetooth stylus support, it has near perfect palm rejection with a matched stylus.
 
Just curious, based on this use description, why you aren't using an app like Goodnotes which, from my experience, is a lot more powerful (and easy to use) than Paper or OneNote (which I love on the PC - getting better on iOS). You can just treat the page like a blank piece of paper if you want, but you can also use shape recognition, easily move individual hand-drawn elements around the page, etc. And since it has bluetooth stylus support, it has near perfect palm rejection with a matched stylus.

Goodnotes is entirely focused on the experience of handwritten notes on a fixed page size. My note experience is primarily typed, with "pages" organized based on what notes are on each page. I also have work notes, that with OneNote, is stored on my corporate SkyDrive and shared, rather than my personal one. The ability to keep my work/personal stuff separate is a benefit to me.

That alone is enough to make any of these note apps that focus on handwritten notes unsuitable. I might give them a shot again in the future, but for now, I type.

My sketches are for when I need to actually convey the idea visually to myself or others later. So they can really be done anywhere, but it haven't found an app that was simple and straightforward like Paper is yet, while at the same time, making my crap actually look decent. Also, I can export as an image to import into Evernote or OneNote, so the two compliment each other fairly well at the moment. Outline+ handles Ink in OneNote notebooks, which is interesting, but egad, the UI is noisy in the free version. I never bothered with the full version because of that.

EDIT: I will say that something like the Pencil is not ideal for Goodnotes though. It works, but it really needs a more pen-like stylus, where the carpenter pencil style works well for Paper. Which stylus you use really does depend on the type of notes you like to take, and how you expect to work if it was a paper + whatever in front of you instead of a tablet.
 
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Looks like a great stylus, and I was impressed by there webpage. But if it only works with their app, I am skeptical about the overall utility of this admittedly great-looking pen.
 
Looks like a great stylus, and I was impressed by there webpage. But if it only works with their app, I am skeptical about the overall utility of this admittedly great-looking pen.

The BT-based functionality only works with their app, but you can use it as a passive stylus without pairing it. They have some work to do if they really wanted to push an SDK, as it sounds like they are behind Jot and Pogo when it comes to bugs.
 
Can pencil owners tell me more about the palm rejection with it? Can you draw without worrying about wether it does or doesn't work? That for me makes or breaks the experience, and my willingness to spend that amount of money for a stylus.
 
I bought one just for fun. The tips are kind of fragile. In fact my first one arrived defective, but they send a backup tip with the pencil and that fixed the problem (it would not register with the program)

Not a lot to add to the other reviews. It is kind of a fun product. Would like to have a smaller tip, of course, but I realize the limitations of the system. I find the eraser feature just a little buggy. It seems to take a while to register. But still a nice feature.

One point that kind of bugs me is that the Paper app only works in landscape mode. Hopefully they will add portrait orientation in a later mode. I do like the app, however. Has a very nice undo feature. I also like the selection of tips and brushes.

Actually, using the app with a different stylus does not loose you too much.
 
I love my Pencil, I ordered it the day it was announced because I use Paper so often, and the features looked amazing. I got the Walnut version, and it's beautiful. It feels great in my hand, it's very easy to hold and maneuver. The big tip really doesn't hinder your drawing with this stylus, at least in my experience. In fact it almost feels like a plus, because the rubber isn't just at the very tip, it also runs up the sides of the pointed part of the stylus, which lets you use Pencil at varying angles, something that most styluses can't do since they're just a circular rubber nib. (Hope that made sense.)

When I got Pencil and started using it, I was surprised at how much it actually changed my workflow. Even though it's easy to pull up the tools and choose the eraser, flipping Pencil over to erase really allows you to keep the creative process moving more freely, and it's become invaluable to me.

Make sure that Multitasking Gestures are turned off in your iPad settings while using Pencil with Paper, because that pretty much fixes any issues some may have with the Palm Rejection feature.

Also, I agree that the eraser can be buggy at times, but if you tap on the 53 Logo and set your finger to do nothing, the eraser works much better. Yes, this disables the Blend feature but I use the eraser far more than Blend, and it's always easy to reactivate Blend if you decide you need it.

If you're a big Paper fan like me, I definitely recommend Pencil!
 
Recommendation for Stylus

I have had tons of stylus pens and have to say the best I have tried is the amPen Hybrid Stylus. Good for any type of stylus work on a tablet. It comes in a variety of colors, is durable, a great price, and looks nice. It has a good weight to it as well as having the hybrid mesh tip. The tips are super soft and will not smudge or stick to the screen. Glides across very nicely! They are under 8$ so you can't beat the price. Link included if you are interested. http://amzn.to/1b5zJo0
 
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Also, I agree that the eraser can be buggy at times, but if you tap on the 53 Logo and set your finger to do nothing, the eraser works much better. Yes, this disables the Blend feature but I use the eraser far more than Blend, and it's always easy to reactivate Blend if you decide you need it.

If you're a big Paper fan like me, I definitely recommend Pencil!

Great tip re the eraser. Thanks!
 
Also, I agree that the eraser can be buggy at times, but if you tap on the 53 Logo and set your finger to do nothing, the eraser works much better. Yes, this disables the Blend feature but I use the eraser far more than Blend, and it's always easy to reactivate Blend if you decide you need it.

If you're a big Paper fan like me, I definitely recommend Pencil!
How do you guys enable the "Blend" feature? Does the Blend only works with the Pencil?
 
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