Being stubborn is leaving you without an tv. But do you, Boo.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Has Apple just abandoned AppleTV?
- Thread starter Wolfpup
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Being stubborn is leaving you without an tv. But do you, Boo.
What do you want from a new model that the current doesn’t provide though? I refused to buy the previous model as it didn’t have 4K in 2017, but what are you holding out for?
It's overdue because you need a specific function that the current ATV 4k doesn't have?
A replacement has been rumoured by so-called experts over and over and they've all been wrong so far. It seems like every "expert" is simply quoting each other.
I'm glad that Apple has kept the ATV 4k around for so long. They've added lots of functionality along the way and I've definitely received my money's worth. My iTunes movie library looks fantastic on my LG OLED, I enjoyed free upgrades to 4k versions of my HD movies, and it just works.
You can wait for a new model but I think you're doing yourself a disservice by not getting one now.
Last edited:
extended obsolescence protection, especially in regard to the A10 chip.
But yeah, I hear ya... I'm sure the 4K version would work just fine for what I'd use it for
What does that mean though? Genuine question sounds, like I’m picking a fight when I’m not.
There’s a strong possibility that Apple starts phasing out support for the A10 chip. If you buy an AppleTV now and Apple abandons the whole platform you’re getting screwed over with a device that won’t be supported for very long. Or if Apple releases a refreshed AppleTV they will probably still phase out the A10 in the near future so you’ll still be getting screwed over. Either way buying the current AppleTV is a very risky investment right now.
I don't see Apple tv 4k will be phased out soon. They're still taking care of the atv 3rd Gen. Can't say the same for any other streaming box that's the same age as the 3rd Gen.
And the iPhone 6s hit iOS 14. How many Android phones that are the same age as the 6s are getting an official upgrade to Android Pie?
And the iPhone 6s hit iOS 14. How many Android phones that are the same age as the 6s are getting an official upgrade to Android Pie?
In November Apple will try to convince us all from the A14 and MacBooks using the Apple silicon. The two main topics obviously will be pro apps (e.g. Adobe Premiere) and games. To push forward gaming on Apple devices – especially on MacBooks using Apple silicon – (and also the Apple Arcade service in general) it makes sense to also use an A14 chip in the next Apple TV. Therefore there is a possibility that we are going to see the new Apple TV in November but Apple could also target a February / March 2021 presentation (especially to avoid too many comparisons with the new Xbox and PlayStation).
Good news to hear Apple is updating homepod integration with Apple TV. This is where they need to focus on any updated Apple TV. Homepod sound bar and sub will complete it.
If ATV+ was exclusive to the Apple TV, I would agree, but since ATV+ can work on non-Apple devices, using ATV+ as evidence of Apple not abandoning the Apple TV just doesn't make sense.
It is like saying 15 years that it is guaranteed that Apple is not abandoning the PPC Macs because of the continuing investment in OSX.
The only thing that Apple TV+ and Apple TV have in common now is just the name. (which was a horrible marketing decision, imo)
Apple has never updated the Apple TV on a yearly bases. Actually, more than three years between upgrades is the norm:
There was almost a four year break from the ATV1 and the ATV2.
ATV2 had less than two years before the ATV3 launch, and I suspect the short period of time was due to the ATV2 not being 1080p, while the rest of the world, with the exception of iTunes, went 1080p.
The ATV3 had a new rev less than a year later, but that was technically a downgrade HW wise, as the first rev was dual-core A5 with one core turned off, and the rev2 had a single-core A5.
More than three years later, we got the ATV4 (HD). But there was multiple issues with the ATV4 that warranted the ATV4K less than two years later, such as the relatively slow A8 and no 4K.
So, now we are up to the ATV4K, which is three years old, but HW wise, still really, really fast.
Maybe, but compared to the competition, even the newest of the competition, the ATV4K is still faster.
Would you rather have something new, just because it is new? Or have someone great, because it is great and better than the competition?
Last edited:
Apple is still updating the ATV3, although, the last update seemed to screw things up more than it fixed.
Either way, I think Apple would be dropping support for the ATV3 and ATV4 before the ATV4K. You have plenty of time.
The ATV4K has the A10X variant of the A10, and the performance of the A10X is basically on par with the A12. Some developers have reported that in real world GPU applications, the A10X actually outperforms the A12.
Of course it’s not exclusive to their tech but as a tech company they want you to watch it on their tech not somebody else’s.
For me it’s totally indicative of their commitment to the Apple TV line up, you can disagree and we can agree to check this thread in 5 years time to see who was correct.
Maybe you are not understanding my post, but I wasn't saying that Apple was abandoning the Apple TV.
I am saying that it is silly to use Apple's interest in Apple TV+ as a sign that they are committed to the Apple TV when ATV+ is not exclusive to the ATV.
It would be like me saying that I am committed to my marriage, because I sleep with my spouse, but also other people.
There is other evidence of Apple's continue interest in the ATV, but the ATV+ is not one of them.
We can, but I am unsure what you think will happen in 5 years to prove you were correct. Short of Apple pulling ATV+ from third-party devices (which most likely won't happen), what do you expect could happen?
Last edited:
The A10 is still being sold in the current iPod Touch, but more importantly it was in the iPad that was sold new until a month ago and the A10x was in the iPad Pros until 2 years ago - both of which are still sold in the refurb store.
Apple will drop support for the A10, but not for a long time. I think it's pretty safe to assume the A10 will continue to be supported for 5 years.
I updated my TV from a 65 to 77 - LG OLED - so an updated Apple TV 4K would be appreciated- I have a 4K & the older model - now the older model is connected to 65 4k tv - no point upgrading until the new Apple TV is released ...
I disagree. makes software to support their hardware. It doesn’t make sense to abandon their hardware just because they’re adding their software on other platforms. Hell HomePods are getting Dolby Atmos and HomePods only work with tv. You aren’t going to add Atmos support to hardware you’re abandoning. So I’m [mention]danny842003 [/mention] on this.
I’ll repeat what I told [mention]Kampy1 [/mention] , do you, Boo. This thinking would’ve left me without an tv 4K last year.
Last edited:
Love my 4K ATV - the remote is straight garbage and the only reason I can't replace my remaining 2 Roku Ultras, my wife and daughter refuse to use the Apple remotes, they get misplaced easily, have sloppy controls in many apps, etc.
Apple has long been a HW company that made great SW to support their premium HW, but that is changing with the growing revenue potential of services.
Even Tim Cook has said as much multiple times.
BTW, my post didn't say that Apple is abandoning the ATV, I was just stating that the existence and increase interest of the ATV+ service does not mean that Apple has not abandoned the Apple TV.
They are two different things, not dependent on one another.
For now.
Yup, I agree.
Out of all the concerns I have about the future of the ATV, the A10X isn't even close to the top of that list.
Apple is still updating the almost nine year old ATV3 with an A5, I think the A10X is safe for a long while.
Even if Apple decided to drop support for the ATV4K sometime soon, it isn't like the ATV4K would sundenly end up a paperweight, it just means that it wouldn't get updates.
Anyone keeping track of the tvOS updates can tell that tvOS has barely changed since its launch, and unless that changes, the overall impact to the ATV4K would probably be minimal for the short term when support is finally dropped.
He has said that. But they aren’t abandoning their own hardware. One doesn’t have to lose for the other to win.
Again, I am not sure how many times I have to say this, I am not saying that Apple is abandoning the Apple TV!
I didn't say this either.
Actually, I said the opposite of this: