If anything they regained their sanity by not charging $1000 for a the display stand ?
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Has Apple lost their mind? March 8th Event Disappointment
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I think the Studio's price/performance is reasonable for its market segment (high-end professional workstation). I just hope they release a cheaper dual M1 Pro configuration at some point for those of us who have CPU-heavy workloads but have no need for a hefty GPU. Maybe they'll release a server model along those lines...
Is there a specific use case you're talking about? Some specific program that runs poorly on your Mac? I have a decade-old PC right next to me (a ThinkPad X220), and apart from some minor hardware incompatibilities it runs macOS more smoothly than it does Windows 10. My 14" MBP, which I just upgraded to, is as smooth as butter even when running heavy scientific workloads. What are you finding slow?
And even if they overstated the performance, even if it matches the best Mac Pro, its still 10s of thousands of dollars cheaper than that monster!
You’re getting a computer that is faster than the fastest Mac Pro for $4000 and you’re disappointed….
And your…. Feelings are hurt? Lol.
A lot of people were waiting for a consumer Apple Display, the Mac Studio looks to be a great product, so…. It’s definitely you.
I will be waiting for the M1 Pro Mac Mini, seems the sweet spot
Not, however, useless for most of the workstation market. YOU may require MacOS, but many workflows are not as OS dependent. In fact, most aren't. That said, the offered performance isn't bad for the money. The cost of RAM and storage is a bit insulting, however.
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I went in with zero expectations and I somehow managed to close the stream disappointed. What annoyed me most was the fanfare advertising of the iPhone SE getting an A15 bionic chip.
At least the Pro’s will be happy (except the ones that dropped 15 bags on a Mac Pro only for it to be rendered obsolete by a 6k Mac Studio)
At least the Pro’s will be happy (except the ones that dropped 15 bags on a Mac Pro only for it to be rendered obsolete by a 6k Mac Studio)
I mean, you *can* set up the macOS proxmox setup you're describing, and after a couple evenings of setup and tweaking it'll work more-or-less smoothly (assuming you bought a second GPU for PCI-E passthrough), but at the end of the day you're going to be running a very custom setup on completely unsupported hardware. If/when things go wrong (e.g. a stray macOS update knocking out your USB ports or network driver), you'll have to set aside your workday to get everything up and running again.
I say this as someone with a long history of hackintoshes: unless you're on a strict budget and really enjoy tinkering, a Hackintosh isn't a good fit for a production environment. There was a lot more reason to build one back before Apple Silicon given the specs of the Intel Mac Mini, but with the cheapest M1 models having absurd single-core performance and massively more capable iGPUs it's a lot harder to recommend.
(Also if it were *just* a Mac Mini with a massive fan inside I'd understand being upset, but given that it's a Mac Mini with a chip that trounces the highest-spec 28-core Xeon Mac Pro in multicore and a GPU that hangs with the RTX 3090, I'd say the price is a bit more reasonable
)I am HAPPY with this pricing. I am looking at about $5,000 for something better than a $20,000 Mac Pro in some cases (I won't max out the RAM or SSD). I am glad I did not get the 2019 Mac Pro.
Then you're their market. The Mac Pro was insanely priced. I should've phrased that better. This is a bit better. Still very high for memory and storage, but that's Apple post-any-capability-to-buy-it-yourself.
Oh I agree that the Mac Pro was insane. The base config was not better than a high spec'ed 27" iMac at the time which included a screen!
Who doesn't want to spend hundreds for wheels for your tower.....
That kind of pricing was normal back in the "real" workstation days. I have an old workstation that retailed for $75k in the config I have..... Back before commodity machines like Apple's and others.
Lame event. Big nothing burger. Way overpriced pregnant Mac Mini. And I'm sticking with my 5K LG Ultrafine monitor.
I was overall pleasantly surprised with pricing. I estimated the Mac Studio to be $1,499 to $1,999. Of course Apple came in at the top end of that and I do agree that the SSD storage should be doubled, but that is modern Apple.
I was very pleased with the display. I expected $1,999 minimum and potentially $2,499 so I was thrilled at the $1,599 price. I mean, compare it to the $1,200 LG 5K and you're getting a solid camera, speakers, much better design, and Apple synergy. It's not a cheap display and not for everyone, but I think is an excellent "Apple Value" for the current day.
I was very pleased with the display. I expected $1,999 minimum and potentially $2,499 so I was thrilled at the $1,599 price. I mean, compare it to the $1,200 LG 5K and you're getting a solid camera, speakers, much better design, and Apple synergy. It's not a cheap display and not for everyone, but I think is an excellent "Apple Value" for the current day.
I'm bad about picking up on sarcasm, so forgive me if I misunderstood, but if you're being genuine then I'm very confused. How often do we get entirely new processors? This is only the 4th (3rd?) transitions in 30 years. If you're talking about a new processor within the Apple Silicon family the what were you expecting?
Pretty much all processors are refinements or multiplications of a base level. That's how computing works. What exactly are you looking for in a new chipset? More memory, more bandwidth, more cores, more headroom, more expansion? That's all delivered here.
Not everyone needs a ton of storage. I bout my MBP in 2018, with minimal storage and top CPU. I’ve never had any issues and still have 70gb free. I need power not storage. Having said that, not thrilled with the pricing either.
What upper-end Mini? I think the only reason the have kept that Mini is to have a "cheap" Intel Mac to offer since the iMac 27" is also gone. I don't think there will be a new top Mini, just like there is no bigger iMac either.
Actually no. The base Mac Studio with M1 Max 24c GPU is $900 cheaper than MBP 14" with M1 Max. You only get MBP M1 Pro with 8c CPU/14c GPU for the same price. Sure you don't get the monitor, keyboard, webcam and 6 speakers but if you already have those like I have and need a desktop you get a lot more performance for the same price. You can also get a good 4K monitor like LG 27UP850 for $500.This prices make the 14/16” MacBook Pros look cheap…
There’s just a huge huge gap now. Between the almost 2 years old M1 macs, and these ultra expensive macs. Nothing in between. Literally the new MacBook Pros become the “in-between” at this point since you at least get a full computer With display keyboard for $2000.
Clearly, you're not their customer anymore. At least not for their new high end products. Apple has always charged a premium for their products and they've sold all they can build and will continue to. They'll sell millions of Studio Macs.
I'll agree that the pricing of the Studio Display stand is ludicrous, but the display itself is in the ball park with other premium 5k monitors.
Ha great minds thinks alike. Literally the exact config I ordered today to replace my similarly specced Mac Pro 7,1.
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Problem here, is folks are thinking about the Mac Studio as a Mac Mini. It is not, in any way a new Mac Mini. It may be replacing the "high" Mac Mini in the product stack, but this is in no way a new Mac Mini. The price alone proves that point. Whether you are shocked about how high or low it is (based on your perspective), this is not targeting the previous customers for the Mac Mini. I think there is a reason that it is called Mac Studio (no mini in there), as it is either targeting folks who looked at the iMac Pro, or folks wanting a smaller Mac Pro.
I ordered the same config. Max 32 Core GPU 64 GB 2 TB.
However I do find the case to be ugly. The excellent cooling makes for quite a chunky baby!
Also WiFi 6? Come on.
Time to sell my cheese grater.