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iPhone 4 (retina display), 512MB RAM, plus 1GZ processor, 5MP camera
iPhone 3GS (320x480 display), 256MB RAM, 624MHZ processor, 3MP camera

The 4 was probably the first total redesign of iPhone since 2007 (the original iPhone).

iPhone 4 at 1GHZ? HA. It's 800mhz my friend. 3GS is 600Mhz. 200Mhz difference. Guess where those cycles go? Running that screen.

You claim the screen is a performance upgrade, its actually a performance killer. The iPhone4 uses the same GPU, CPU, and SPU as the 3GS. Only dif is the 4 is clocked slightly higher. They are cut from the same cloth. Its 2009 tech.
 
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Yes it has failed.

It's the singular most popular phone model on the planet.

Total failure....
 
Continued record sales on all 3 carriers does not equal failure.

You may not care for the speed bump, camera upgrade, or Siri, but there are plenty who do as the numbers show.

Agreed. I think that 4S has been quite successful. That said, I didn't upgrade from my iPhone 4 because I didn't think it was was worth it. But just because I didn't upgrade doesn't mean the 4S wasn't successful.
 
3GS-4S-5S users are in the best cycle, always latest tech.

ROFLMAO....do you even know what you are talking about? How in the hell do you figure 3GS, 4S, 5S users have the 'latest' tech when all you get is a speed bump in those models? Don't you think the other models were 'latest tech' when they came out?

Let's look at the 3G-4-5 cycle. The 3G had a speed bump and brought '3G' technology to the iPhone. The 4 was a revolutionary design with a faster processor and an even better display and design. The 5 will been even more revolutionary bigger screen, 4G etc. when it comes out later this year. Each of these models not only came with an almost expected speed bump, they were also radical design changes with major features added.

Now let's compare that to the 3GS, 4S and 5S. None of these will have any major hardware design changes and when they come out, the design will already be a year old. All you get is a speed bump, which people in the other upgrade cycle get as well. While the first group of people enjoyed the newest and latest models and hardware first, you are just a has been with nothing revolutionary to show for yourself. In fact if there is anybody behind the techhnology curve, it is iPhone owners in your group.

If you can't understand this simple concept, I laugh at you.
 
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I4s IS my first phone. I just love using it every day. Battery lasts 2 days in standby and 5 hours usage. I'm not the gamer type. How long will you people intend using a smartphone with this technological madness? Next yeat we might have quad core and 1gb ram on iPhone.
 
I know one thing for sure that the resale value has plummeted a lot.
I was trying to sell my iPhone 4s and I'm not getting anything even close to what people were getting for used iPhone 4.
 
In terms of sales and branding? No; not even close.

In terms of features? That's more debatable. In my opinion, more important than hardware complaints, it's lost/losing ground in software. So many things in iOS need to be improved/updated, namely the keyboard and safari.
 
ROFLMAO....do you know even what you are talking about? How in the hell are do you figure 3GS, 4S, 5S users have the 'latest' tech when all you get is a speed bump in those models?

Let's look at the 3G-4-5 cycle. The 3G had a speed bump and brought '3G' technology to the iPhone. The 4 was a revolutionary design with a faster processor and an even better display and design. The 5 will been even more revolutionary bigger screen, 4G etc. when it comes out later this year. Each of these models not only came with an almost expected speed bump, they were also radical design changes with major features added.

Now let's compare that to the 3GS, 4S and 5S. None of these will have any major hardware design changes and when they come out, the design will already be a year old. All you get is a speed bump, which people in the other upgrade cycle get as well. While the first group of people enjoyed the newest and latest models and hardware first, you are just a has been with nothing revolutionary to show for yourself.

If you can't understand this simple concept, I laugh at you.

I think the 4 to 4S is somewhat significant just like the 3GS to 4 was. Better camera, more of a serious upgrade in the processor department.

I think overall if you really compare each upgrade isn't anything to earth shattering. However none of which can be called a failure by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm somewhat excited about the 5 because everyone is rumoring a bigger screen and LTE. Both of those are significant upgrades to me personally. However being a 4s owner I may just wait for the 5S just for a little more and some of the bugs worked out.
 
it hasnt failed by any stretch of the imagination but i do agree with some of your other points.
 
I had the iphone 4 and broke it and my insurance refunded it, si i thought i'd buy a 4s cos it was just a small part to add then.
I wouldn't advice anyone to buy it if they can get the iphone 4 cheaper.
It didn't fail as show the sales numbers, but I don't think it's a must have at all if you have an iphone 4. The only thing that makes a difference for me is Siri while I'm in the car with my bluetooth headset, but well that's not a big thing.
 
ROFLMAO....do you even know what you are talking about? How in the hell do you figure 3GS, 4S, 5S users have the 'latest' tech when all you get is a speed bump in those models? Don't you think the other models were 'latest tech' when they came out?

Let's look at the 3G-4-5 cycle. The 3G had a speed bump and brought '3G' technology to the iPhone. The 4 was a revolutionary design with a faster processor and an even better display and design. The 5 will been even more revolutionary bigger screen, 4G etc. when it comes out later this year. Each of these models not only came with an almost expected speed bump, they were also radical design changes with major features added.

Now let's compare that to the 3GS, 4S and 5S. None of these will have any major hardware design changes and when they come out, the design will already be a year old. All you get is a speed bump, which people in the other upgrade cycle get as well. While the first group of people enjoyed the newest and latest models and hardware first, you are just a has been with nothing revolutionary to show for yourself. In fact if there is anybody behind the techhnology curve, it is iPhone owners in your group.

If you can't understand this simple concept, I laugh at you.

Hi Saint

Do you know anything about technology? Or computers? Just asking because from this post it would appear you do not.

Let me ask you this: If a computer processor is placed in a cardboard case, does it perform worse? What if its placed in a titanium case, better or worse?

The answer is that the chips themselves have no idea what kind of case they are in, wouldnt you agree?

So if the chips dont know what kind of case they are in, how does a redesigned case (i.e. iPhone4) equal a boost in performance?

Lets narrow this down to whats called a "SOC" or System on a chip. I'll be very basic for you. An "SOC" contains a CPU, or main computer processor, a GPU, which is the graphics processor, and the RAM (memory). Of these 3, the CPU and GPU are the most important, and those two are the brains of the machine. The SOC in the 3GS had a cortex A8 processor at 600mhz, and a PowerVR SGX 535 GPU. Guess what the iPhone 4 has? A Cortex A8 processor (800Mhz this time), and a PowerVR SGX 535 GPU. Does that sound familiar? Well it should, cause those are the same components in the 3GS!!

So by now it should be clear to you what I mean when I say if you have a 4, you have old tech. THey took the components out of the 3GS, stuck them in a pretty steel case, and sold it back to you as new.

The 4S, while it looks the same, has a completely different SOC. This one is dual core, and is an architechtural upgrade to the Cortex A9 family, which processes more information on clock-for-clock basis. It also has a PowerVR SGX 543MP GPU, which is 7-9x faster than the 4/3GS. So you see, the chips in the 4S are light years ahead of the 4, and are therefore the "Latest tech".

Whenever the 3GS cant handle a software upgrade, the 4 won't be able to either, they are cut from the same cloth. The 4S will be relevent longer, just like the 3GS was relevent far longer than the 3G.

Sorry, you got fooled by the fancy case and whiz-bang screen, and got sold old tech.
 
Yes, as I said when I changed from my 4S 64 gig, they didnt need an "iPhone killer" because it committed suicide.
 
I have no scientific research--just friends--one who has been putting off buying an iPhone for several years and now has a 4S--and my family in Ohio who both upgraded to 4S--just a couple examples--and I'm sure every iPhone owner has examples just like that to share. :)
 
ROFLMAO....do you even know what you are talking about? How in the hell do you figure 3GS, 4S, 5S users have the 'latest' tech when all you get is a speed bump in those models? Don't you think the other models were 'latest tech' when they came out?

Let's look at the 3G-4-5 cycle. The 3G had a speed bump and brought '3G' technology to the iPhone. The 4 was a revolutionary design with a faster processor and an even better display and design. The 5 will been even more revolutionary bigger screen, 4G etc. when it comes out later this year. Each of these models not only came with an almost expected speed bump, they were also radical design changes with major features added.

Now let's compare that to the 3GS, 4S and 5S. None of these will have any major hardware design changes and when they come out, the design will already be a year old. All you get is a speed bump, which people in the other upgrade cycle get as well. While the first group of people enjoyed the newest and latest models and hardware first, you are just a has been with nothing revolutionary to show for yourself. In fact if there is anybody behind the techhnology curve, it is iPhone owners in your group.

If you can't understand this simple concept, I laugh at you.

The 3GS was a far bigger upgrade to the 3G than the 3G was to the original iPhone.

The iPhone and iPhone 3G had exactly the same processor and graphics chip. They had exactly the same amount of RAM. They had exactly the same camera

The 3G added 3G radio (obviously!), GPS and a different case

The 3G to 3GS upgrade added a better camera, a faster processor, a faster graphics processor, improved 3G speed, a compass, video recording, twice as much RAM but kept the same case

The 3GS to 4 upgrade added a faster processor (200mhz faster than the 3GS but basically the same processor), twice as much RAM, a gyroscope, front facing camera, better camera, camera flash, 720p video recording, retina display and a new case

The 4 to 4s upgrade added a new, faster, dual core processor, a faster graphics processor, improved 3G speed, improved Antenna, improved rear camera, 1080p video recording and Siri but kept the same case

By far the biggest upgrade in a single step is actually the 3G to 3GS and by far the smallest is the original iPhone to 3G. In terms of new core technology the 4S added more to the 4 than the 4 did to the 3GS
 
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In terms of technology, yes it did fail, in terms of hype, because its apple no it didn't fail, the current batch of android/windows phones are streets ahead in the tech side, even the SGS2 which is older than the 4S is a better tech phone, so god only knows how far apple will be behind the SGS3!!...the HTC one X, faster, slimmer than the 4S, sonys experia S, more pixels than the 4S,etc...etc.. and as for Nokias 808 pureview, i don't think there is one person on here who can say that the camera on the 4S is better than this...41MPs, now that is not a phone..lol...its a top of the range camera with a phone...lol.. so looking at these specs the 4S is a failure, but as always apple are brilliant at selling you their equipment, even if the 4S wasn't as good as it should of been.
But at the end of the day each to their own, the 4S is good at some things at not at others, same as the Android/windows phones, good at some things and not at others, and at the moment as things stand the iPhone 4S is not the best available phone on the market,...far from it in fact, if your not worried about which OS you want the 4S wouldn't even make the top 10!..:eek:
 
Take a look at Apple's stock from the day the iPhone 4S was announced, and look now. It's obvious its such a failure.


Not to mention, the sales figures.
 
If you look at it from another POV, the iPhone 4 used an overclocked iPhone 3GS SoC, and the performance difference showed. The Retina display (960x640) bogged down the old chip, and it made the iPhone 4 (at native res), lower performing vs the iPhone 3GS.

CPU speeds, you already listed, GPU clocks:
3GS (SGX535): 150MHz
4 (SGX535): 200MHz

Whoa, this interesting. Learned something new today.
 
Seems like you are having buyers remorse. Anybody that did even a small amount of research knew that there was absolutely no reason for anyone to upgrade from the iPhone 4 to the 4S, except a very small minority of people who really had to have Siri and the 8 MP camera. Unless of course you were upgrading from the 3G or 3GS, then it made sense to go with the 4S. When you get a speed bump anyway with every generation, it only makes sense to be in the upgrade cycle where you know you are also getting new hardware with the phone. People on the 3G-4-5 cycle are in the best shape.
Not even then. I bought a used 4 off ebay and gave my 3g to a family member. Did not fall for they 4S hype.
 
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