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Haswell Retina MacBook Pro Prediction!
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I have to remember all guru here that new Samsung ultrabook has 8870m onboard...
Do u think tdp of ultra book is higher then apple rmbp one?
Samsung chronos have a look..I have to buy new PC in late summer and if apple doesn't do all right I have to buy this horse power ultrabook, and is not a sacrifice considering difference between 750m and 8870m
Do u think tdp of ultra book is higher then apple rmbp one?
Samsung chronos have a look..I have to buy new PC in late summer and if apple doesn't do all right I have to buy this horse power ultrabook, and is not a sacrifice considering difference between 750m and 8870m
Then why don't you go on and just buy the chronos?!
btw a german PC site reports, that TDP may be around 60-70W (8870m) and that the i7-3635QM was throttling even on the 17'' version.
If you really think that GPU performance is everything and much more important than the right balance between CPU, GPU, display and battery life and if build quality means nothing to you you should go on, stop complaining and buy a Samsung Chronos
EDIT: And you are always claiming the chronos would be an ultrabook. How exactly do you (does Intel) define Ultrabook? For me it's an light and small device with good battery life.
The chronos (from what I found on the internet) measures 376*250*21mm, and weights 2.35kg.
For comparison, the 15'' MBPr: 359*247*18mm and 1.8kg
This means the chronos has ~24% more volume, weights 31% more while having a battery that is ~16% smaller
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do please link me to the pc german thing, i bet its notebookcheck, that spewing nonsense site
it is throttling because the power aint being provided, not because of the heat. At max, it stays around 80c for both the cpu and gpu. Those psus are too low for those machines.
For example clevo in anticipation for the nvidia 700m series raised the psu of their machines
Not to mention that the asus U500 suffers similar problems with the 650m in there and apple discharges the battery when under load
No it's not notebookcheck but computerbase. LINK
As I mentioned they reviewed the 17'' with i7-3635QM and HD 8870M.
I don't know how good your german is but what they say is more or less, that the temperature of the body stays relatively cool while the processor hit 94°C and throttled. It did only for short periods of time and the performance only decreased by a few percent - but there was throttling and it seems it's thermal and not due to power.
As I mentioned they reviewed the 17'' with i7-3635QM and HD 8870M.
I don't know how good your german is but what they say is more or less, that the temperature of the body stays relatively cool while the processor hit 94°C and throttled. It did only for short periods of time and the performance only decreased by a few percent - but there was throttling and it seems it's thermal and not due to power.
there is something wrong with that
http://forum.notebookreview.com/samsung/702308-introducing-2013-series-7-chronos-amd-hd8870m.html
there are some benchies here, and I do trust more those guys than that site.
It would be nice to get one of the "2013 refresh", "Haswell MBP" threads sticky.
As far as the OPs post, I also think the price will come down to $2k. However I think they will stick with 1GB VRAM for the base model, just to justify the premium of the high-end model (faster CPU, 2GB VRAM, larger SSD).
8GB will remain standard on the base model
Is there any particular reason why Apple should switch back to AMD graphics?
Edit: And certainly not the 8870M GPU. It consumes more power and produces more heat than any MBP can take.
As far as the OPs post, I also think the price will come down to $2k. However I think they will stick with 1GB VRAM for the base model, just to justify the premium of the high-end model (faster CPU, 2GB VRAM, larger SSD).
8GB will remain standard on the base model
Is there any particular reason why Apple should switch back to AMD graphics?
Edit: And certainly not the 8870M GPU. It consumes more power and produces more heat than any MBP can take.
I disagree with many of your points. I'll pick the 2 most obvious ones.
2 GB as standard? I don't think so. Apple has always given only half the amount of everyone else in the PC industry. Apple is about making your device/laptop obsolete as soon as possible, and they'll continue to give you 'barely enough' spec for some component to make you upgrade/buy new as early as possible.
No, same situation as with the video RAM. You'll need to fork out extra $$$ to get the RAM that should be there already.
2 GB as standard? I don't think so. Apple has always given only half the amount of everyone else in the PC industry. Apple is about making your device/laptop obsolete as soon as possible, and they'll continue to give you 'barely enough' spec for some component to make you upgrade/buy new as early as possible.
No, same situation as with the video RAM. You'll need to fork out extra $$$ to get the RAM that should be there already.
You're probably right. After reading many arguments, I've updated the prediction list.
The Haswell update couldn't get any quicker. I need to get one ASAP.
Sure I will in next chronos release upgraded to haswell stepping c2 if I will see 750m on next rmbp.
Heat problem is an apple retina mbp problem and not a 8870m-8850m or I should remember you 104 C that rmbp touch.
I will have only one regret because 220ppi rmbp are different from 160ppi provided by chronos. Anyway if I can't use the 220ppi playing decently with no compromise will have not sense buy rmbp for gamer like me.
"Ultrabook" is the term that Samsung says in is taser of that notebook and the percentage you compared with rmbp claims that Samsung is on right
Guys - Forget this thread. Hop on over to my Skylake Retina MacBook Pro Prediction thread! Why wait for Haswell when you can wait even longer for Skylake which will be WAYYY better than Haswell!
Just pray you don't get hit by a bus or fall off a cliff while you wait, or else you'll never know the joy of owning a rMBP.
Just pray you don't get hit by a bus or fall off a cliff while you wait, or else you'll never know the joy of owning a rMBP.
Guys - Forget this thread. Hop on over to my Skylake Retina MacBook Pro Prediction thread! Why wait for Haswell when you can wait even longer for Skylake which will be WAYYY better than Haswell!
Just pray you don't get hit by a bus or fall off a cliff while you wait, or else you'll never know the joy of owning a rMBP.
Wait a minute, theres a skylake thread?
Guys - Forget this thread. Hop on over to my Skylake Retina MacBook Pro Prediction thread! Why wait for Haswell when you can wait even longer for Skylake which will be WAYYY better than Haswell!
Just pray you don't get hit by a bus or fall off a cliff while you wait, or else you'll never know the joy of owning a rMBP.
Comeon, I'm just trying to justify the costs of owning an rMBP. An almost year old hardware just won't cut it for me. At least the new hardware makes me feel satisfied buying one.
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Maybe minor tiny ones, but major? Close to never.
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Unlikely, but it would be pretty sweet if Apple did that.
That's fine assuming you are just now in the market for one. But if you've been holding out since December or January for this mythical Haswell processor that is supposed to swoop in with it's reported 5-10% performance increases and completely flip the rMBP game on it's head, than I feel bad for you.
You've missed out on one of the fun parts of owning a Mac, which is having the latest/greatest design on the cutting edge of technology shortly after it's announced. For me, new hardware design is greater than updated specs.
Regardless of whether you care about that aspect, my main point was to jab the "waiters" who are always waiting for the next chip as if it will dramatically change their life relative to what they can go down to the Apple Store and purchase right now. Tomorrow isn't promised, so sometimes you just have to pull the trigger on what's available today and enjoy it. Chances are, it's plenty good enough.
then Im a complete idiot, since Im waiting for broadwell. Though I do have a perfectly functional mbp 13 late 2011
Sell now before those cMBP's are discontinued and the resale value dips even more. Get yourself a 13" rMBP and don't look back
13' rmbp..no worse choose on the face of globe a screen that can be used only to see desktop in a beauty mood.. Waste of money
Keep strong your macbook2011..money are not nuts..
Keep strong your macbook2011..money are not nuts..
Nah I wont sell it. I usually dont sell my old pcs, I keep them for backupsSell now before those cMBP's are discontinued and the resale value dips even more. Get yourself a 13" rMBP and don't look back
I disagree, mobility is extremely important to me, and given that my reaction to gaming is mixed (although I enjoy it, I dont really care if I dont have it)
And no I couldnt buy a mba 2011, when my last notebook bit the dust, only the 2010 were available.
And given that im expecting that they get a quad in the rmbp 13 I will keep waiting for broadwell, 3 years is a good mileage for a pc.
those are the reasons. not to mention if I want gaming, I could just go for a better egpu solution when I buy the next one, and all things say to me it will probably be a rmbp13
And I feel sorry for all the people who shelled out top dollar last June for what was essentially a Beta device. I'm happy to have waited and I'm positive that my patience will pay off
not necessarily, we have to see it how that turns out
although buying the rmbp 13 at standard pricing was a tough pill to swallow, there have beens of promotion out there. The rmbp 15 is a different story, there was the apple tax, but asus made a similar machine and it was only priced at 2k, it went down to 1850 after a while, but that machine is filled with drawbacks
When I bought the 13" rMBP in October, it was $1,699 for 8GB of RAM, a 128GB SSD, and of course the gorgeous Retina display. If I spec'ed out a 13" cMBP at the time with 8GB of RAM and a 128GB SSD, the price was $1,499 (and no, I don't ship brand new computers off to OWC to let some scumbag rip it open and start messing with screws and god knows what).
Paying an extra $200 for 4X the resolution to make it Retina class was easily worth the money and I have no regrets. The $200 price drop this year didn't bother me either because I had 4 months worth of enjoying one of the newest and coolest pieces of tech on the market so whatever. Beta device? Hardly...this rMBP handles everything I ask it to do and more.
If you want a 13" notebook to be a Playstation 3 gaming console, I'm sure Dell or HP would be happy to take your money for one of their piles of creeky black plastic.
PS - No IR, no fan noise, none of that stuff.
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none of those OEMs make a good notebook at 13 (except the xps 13, which is an ultrabook), you probably may find the sony s13 a good bet, since it packs a 640m LE inside the chassis that is around the same thickness of the cmbp 13 and with the weight of the rmbp 13, though it has its drawbacks
The z21 and z13 were the only competitors to the rmbp 13, and I would say that the z13 won most of the times that I would pit one against the other (my preferences tough), it also has its drawbacks, while having a quad core and SSDs in raid 0, it was not ''tough'' as the rmbp 13, never liked the touchpad and keyboard. In terms of screen it was better than the rmbp, despite the lower res
if we mix the z13 with the rmbp 13 we would have a good pc:
-quad core cpus
-high res screen with good quality
-PMD
that ought to be good