iPhone SE (2016) Have Apple finally deliberately killed the SE1 ?

[Reverend Benny]

Oh it's fine. The default response of fanboys is to laugh off any suggestion of Apple manipulating their devices, so I'm grateful of your suggestions.
It's a pity that a semi-untethered jailbreak probably wouldn't work for me as I travel a lot. I'm still digging into the details though.

While jailbreaking is one way to solve problems or get more out of your phone I still wouldn't recommend it on your daily driver. At least not without recommending to read up a bit about pros and cons.
You might already know all of it but if its the case that you don't have a read on the site below. Its fairly "neutral" and describes things in a good way.
Some of the things you might not be affected by such as that new updates will mess things up.

What is Jailbreaking? History, Benefits and Risks

Discover what jailbreaking is, its history, benefits, risks, methods, legal issues, and how modern security solutions address these challenges.

www.sentinelone.com

 

[dan98]

While jailbreaking is one way to solve problems or get more out of your phone I still wouldn't recommend it on your daily driver. At least not without recommending to read up a bit about pros and cons.
You might already know all of it but if its the case that you don't have a read on the site below. Its fairly "neutral" and describes things in a good way.
Some of the things you might not be affected by such as that new updates will mess things up.

What is Jailbreaking? History, Benefits and Risks

Discover what jailbreaking is, its history, benefits, risks, methods, legal issues, and how modern security solutions address these challenges.

www.sentinelone.com

Thanks, yes it's really not my preferred option.

But if notifications are permanently half-broken it could make a last resort.

 

[dz5b609]

Oh it's fine. The default response of fanboys is to laugh off any suggestion of Apple manipulating their devices, so I'm grateful of your suggestions.
It's a pity that a semi-untethered jailbreak probably wouldn't work for me as I travel a lot. I'm still digging into the details though.

Not fanboys just people who know how it works in the real world and the implementations such a manipulation would have for Apple which in the first place will make it not worth it.

 

[dan98]

I'm not sure which real world you're referring to, but Apple have been caught out manipulating their phones through iOS updates before, and ended up forking out millions to customers in compensation.

Personally I don't entirely trust them, and not only for this reason.

 

[GerritV]

Sorry to hear about your problems.
Using my SE1 on a regular basis (as my one and only phone), no problems whatsoever regarding notifications.
However, I'm not using Whatsapp (and never will).

 

[dan98]

Sorry to hear about your problems.
Using my SE1 on a regular basis (as my one and only phone), no problems whatsoever regarding notifications.
However, I'm not using Whatsapp (and never will).

Are you using 15.8.2 iOS ?

 

[TechnoMonk]

Funny folks who actually read vintage policies are called fanboys. In real world, that’s how contracts work. Apple isn’t obligated to support beyond the official policy. If Apple is a problem, try Android, and see how often those devices get updates. It’s a vintage product, Apple doesn’t need to manipulate.

 

[Rock_Artist]

since it’s the OPs SE1 with the issue. I’m wondering-
1. Is the device has SIM card installed? Maybe something change lately or even the carrier did changes.
2. Was there any Wi-Fi equipment changes recently?

3. You can look into console logs of the iPhone from a Mac and maybe you’ll see some hints.

 

[dan98]

Funny folks who actually read vintage policies are called fanboys. In real world, that’s how contracts work. Apple isn’t obligated to support beyond the official policy. If Apple is a problem, try Android, and see how often those devices get updates. It’s a vintage product, Apple doesn’t need to manipulate.

If you read my posts properly, you'll see that I've said nothing of what you imply. You've put 2+2 together and made 5.

 

[dan98]

since it’s the OPs SE1 with the issue. I’m wondering-
1. Is the device has SIM card installed? Maybe something change lately or even the carrier did changes.
2. Was there any Wi-Fi equipment changes recently?

3. You can look into console logs of the iPhone from a Mac and maybe you’ll see some hints.

1. One has a SIM and two others without a SIM.
2. Nothing changed in the WIFI since 2022.
3. I'm afraid this is a little out of my depth (and I don't own a Mac).

 

[klasma]

They sabotaged the iPhone 6 by encouraging everyone to install iOS 12 on it — which absolutely ruined that phone — so yeah, they’ve got an agenda for sure

That’s not an agenda, it’s simply a lack of caring about older devices. Their minds are elsewhere.

I wish I could still use an SE1 as well, but it stopped being practical.

 

[GerritV]

Are you using 15.8.2 iOS ?

Yes I am (sorry I forgot to mention)

 

[dan98]

Yes I am (sorry I forgot to mention)

OK that's good to know.
I'm using apps like Whatsapp, Gmail, Uber, all of which have notification issues, even after erasing and reinstalling.
The internal apps aren't 100% either but a little more reliable.
Maybe it's only an issue with some apps and not others.

 

[Paddle1]

Are you sharing the Apple ID, accounts or backups between multiple devices? I find that only one device can receive notifications consistently. I've found that if you have two phones signed in to the same account notifications for things will often only go to one of them. It's annoying when you upgrade your phone most notifications will only go to your old phone for a bit before gradually moving to the new one over time. Simply opening an app may stop notifications from going to another device.

 

[steiney]

I'm hoping someone using an SE1 on 15.8.2 as their daily phone can confirm/deny notifications still work consistently.
There seems no way to get them working properly on my two phones.

Hey, just want to add my voice in here. My daily driver is an iPhone SE 1 on iOS 15.8.2 and all is working well with my phone, notifications and otherwise. I don't use Uber, the Gmail app or WhatsApp, the apps you mentioned having problems with, so I can't confirm anything related to those specific apps, but I definitely seem to be properly receiving 100% of the notifications I am supposed to be receiving.

Good luck with your issue! I don't have any troubleshooting advice that hasn't already been mentioned in this thread.

 

[mjs916]

I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, unless my quick skim wasn’t as thorough as I thought, but do any of you having notification issues also have an Apple Watch?

The Watch may be taking the notifications silently and this could suppress notifications on the phone(s).

As a test, power off your Watch for a bit and see how the notifications work. Obviously this doesn’t apply if you don’t have one paired.

Source: https://support.apple.com/en-us/108369

 

[TechnoMonk]

If you read my posts properly, you'll see that I've said nothing of what you imply. You've put 2+2 together and made 5.

iPhone SE is a small blip on Apple’s revenue radar. Apple doesn’t need to deliberately manipulate a device which is vintage, and a model that isn’t big revenue generator. They don’t test on vintage models. Did you check if your apps stopped sending notifications for older app versions? See if other apps work.

 

[dan98]

Are you sharing the Apple ID, accounts or backups between multiple devices? I find that only one device can receive notifications consistently. I've found that if you have two phones signed in to the same account notifications for things will often only go to one of them. It's annoying when you upgrade your phone most notifications will only go to your old phone for a bit before gradually moving to the new one over time. Simply opening an app may stop notifications from going to another device.

This is actually a really good point, and I think needs more investigation. Although it's never happened before on any of my SE1s, the only rational explanation could be that apps are 'stealing' notifications from login to another.
Maybe there's a way to log out from everything in an easy way in an app like Whatsapp / Uber etc.

 

[dan98]

Hey, just want to add my voice in here. My daily driver is an iPhone SE 1 on iOS 15.8.2 and all is working well with my phone, notifications and otherwise. I don't use Uber, the Gmail app or WhatsApp, the apps you mentioned having problems with, so I can't confirm anything related to those specific apps, but I definitely seem to be properly receiving 100% of the notifications I am supposed to be receiving.

Good luck with your issue! I don't have any troubleshooting advice that hasn't already been mentioned in this thread.

Thanks, this is very good to hear.
It seems as if a lot of the apps I use have simultaneously gone wrong (and keep going wrong on a fresh install), but as another poster mentioned maybe there is something unique about 15.8.2 which ties notifications together through the Apple login. I've no idea but I will keep investigating this.

 

[dan98]

I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, unless my quick skim wasn’t as thorough as I thought, but do any of you having notification issues also have an Apple Watch?

The Watch may be taking the notifications silently and this could suppress notifications on the phone(s).

As a test, power off your Watch for a bit and see how the notifications work. Obviously this doesn’t apply if you don’t have one paired.

Source: https://support.apple.com/en-us/108369

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Thanks, but no I don't. However I do have some logins on a PC to certain apps. Although this has never been a problem before 15.8.2, it's worth trying to investigate to see if there's any connection going on.

 

[dan98]

iPhone SE is a small blip on Apple’s revenue radar. Apple doesn’t need to deliberately manipulate a device which is vintage, and a model that isn’t big revenue generator. They don’t test on vintage models. Did you check if your apps stopped sending notifications for older app versions? See if other apps work.

It's not about revenue- it's about Apple having to provide some kind of backwards compatibility for 4" screens - something which I've no doubt they are desperate to get shot of.

I'm not sure I understand about older app versions - all the apps are freshly installed from the app store after erasing and reinstalling.

 

[Night Spring]

It's not about revenue- it's about Apple having to provide some kind of backwards compatibility for 4" screens - something which I've no doubt they are desperate to get shot of.

I think both Apple and app developers may likely not put in the effort to make sure new changes they make to their software or underlying support systems are compatible with older devices. But that is very different from deliberately sabotaging older devices so they stop working.

 

[ZZ9pluralZalpha]

I think Hanlon's razor applies here, although it's really not stupidity/incompetence when the software and hardware have been officially deprecated for two years. (Yes, I miss small phones too—but on the bright side, the Watch is like a tiny phone that you can actually strap to your wrist and go swimming with!)

To expound slightly on @Night Spring's answer: the App Store knows what iOS version is requesting an app and will provide only the latest available that's been marked as compatible for that version. Most developers stop targeting outdated OS versions pretty quickly, so the app you freshly install on an out-of-support iOS is very likely to be out of date relative to whatever its author is currently supporting.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

I've two SE1s which have both simultaneously stopped reliably sending notifications across all apps.

I've erased and reinstalled the iOS on both, but it didn't fix it. As it's the latest one possible (15.8.2), no updating is possible.

Is this Apple's deliberate timebomb to kill off it's last 4" model?

An "Apple's deliberate timebomb" is really unlikely. A deliberate timebomb would involve too much work and bad long-term programming thought processes for a firm like Apple to do such a thing. It would be just dumb and Apple is not dumb.

This is tech: old hardware products deprecate all by themselves. No need for the world's most successful tech company to build a flat stupid culture of intentionally programming in product failure.

And think of the bad PR when some white hat coder would prove out such a deliberate timebomb allegation. It is bad enough that ignorant folks on internet fora post up threads suggesting deliberate timebombs.

 

[TruthAboveAllElse]

It would make sense though for them to try and wipe-out the 4" format at this point, from an app developer's POV.

No it doesn’t. They can just let apps break compatibility and slowly the experience degenerates. There’s no need to deliberately kill it off other than by no longer giving updates.