iPhone SE (2016) Have Apple finally deliberately killed the SE1 ?

[0423MAC]

I would be very surprised if it's deliberate. Updates to particular apps causes two pain points - Apps get more demanding and developers tend to focus on newer hardware models as people stop using older phones.

No answers as to what could be happening within iOS, but clearly it also gets more demanding.

As with all else start fresh and see where the breaking point is. OP stating that everything starts fine and then issues arise a few days later hints to a lack of resources (RAM usually).

How long is the battery lasting these days?

 

[dan98]

An "Apple's deliberate timebomb" is really unlikely. A deliberate timebomb would involve too much work and bad long-term programming thought processes for a firm like Apple to do such a thing. It would be just dumb and Apple is not dumb.

This is tech: old hardware products deprecate all by themselves. No need for the world's most successful tech company to build a flat stupid culture of intentionally programming in product failure.

And think of the bad PR when some white hat coder would prove out such a deliberate timebomb allegation. It is bad enough that ignorant folks on internet fora post up threads suggesting deliberate timebombs.

You might like to crush all opportunities to speculate on the internet about your favourite tech companies, based on people's actual experiences, but sadly for you that's not how the internet works.
I guess you didn't notice that my forum post started with a question, rather than a statement, no?

Perhaps by blocking those complaining about their phones suddenly slowing down (ie. batterygate) nobody would've ever discovered the widespread manipulation going on by Apple in that case - neither would they have been awarded millions in compensation.

And while most on here are queueing up to laugh at my suggestion, there is notably no actual solid solution or explanation available yet. (although I'm grateful for the offers of help from some others).

 

[dan98]

I would be very surprised if it's deliberate. Updates to particular apps causes two pain points - Apps get more demanding and developers tend to focus on newer hardware models as people stop using older phones.

No answers as to what could be happening within iOS, but clearly it also gets more demanding.

As with all else start fresh and see where the breaking point is. OP stating that everything starts fine and then issues arise a few days later hints to a lack of resources (RAM usually).

How long is the battery lasting these days?

The interesting point here is that the iOS was installed months ago and no updates were made until one day all apps across the 3 phones decided to start breaking. Erasing and a fresh install gives me a few days before the problems reoccur.
The battery lasts 1 to 2 days.

You make a good point about RAM - I wonder if there is a way to clear the RAM and then monitor it until it fills up again.

 

[TechnoMonk]

It's not about revenue- it's about Apple having to provide some kind of backwards compatibility for 4" screens - something which I've no doubt they are desperate to get shot of.

I'm not sure I understand about older app versions - all the apps are freshly installed from the app store after erasing and reinstalling.

Depending on the iOS version, chances are you are not using the updated app for a supported phone and latest versions of iOS. App Store provides the last compatible version of app for your iOS version. App developers don’t usually support nor maintain active development once Apple stops updating or supporting older phones. Who would invest in maintaining, testing for vintage phones. Notifications are more app dependent than Apple, all apps don’t use Apple push notification service. Google uses its own and so does meta for WhatsApp, instagram and Facebook. If the apps aren’t notifying, check with the provider.

 

[dan98]

Depending on the iOS version, chances are you are not using the updated app for a supported phone and latest versions of iOS. App Store provides the last compatible version of app for your iOS version. App developers don’t usually support nor maintain active development once Apple stops updating or supporting older phones. Who would invest in maintaining, testing for vintage phones. Notifications are more app dependent than Apple, all apps don’t use Apple push notification service. Google uses its own and so does meta for WhatsApp, instagram and Facebook. If the apps aren’t notifying, check with the provider.

I am aware of all of this.
The point that I am making over and over again is that *they were all working perfectly* under 15.8.2 until one day they decided to all simultaneously stop working.
Thank you for your advice but I really don't think you quite understand the issue here and I'm not sure how many times I can repeat myself.

 

[TechnoMonk]

I am aware of all of this.
The point that I am making over and over again is that *they were all working perfectly* under 15.8.2 until one day they decided to all simultaneously stop working.
Thank you for your advice but I really don't think you quite understand the issue here and I'm not sure how many times I can repeat myself.

Looks like you don’t understand the issue. There are few who confirmed their notifications work as expected, and they don’t use the apps you are using. Start with Google, and see if Google stopped sending notifications for older versions. Same with other apps. Google doesn’t use Apple notification services, it uses its own cross platform messaging service for push notifications on iPhone and Android. I highly doubt Apple cares about a vintage phone to put an effort to block the notifications sent from Google. If you are not receiving notifications from Apple or apps using Apple push notification service, many more would have the issue.

 

[CrapShack]

I've two SE1s which have both simultaneously stopped reliably sending notifications across all apps.

I've erased and reinstalled the iOS on both, but it didn't fix it. As it's the latest one possible (15.8.2), no updating is possible.

Is this Apple's deliberate timebomb to kill off it's last 4" model?

Considering that the SE1 was discontinued 7 years ago and Apple, as part of a well-known and perfectly rational business practice "vintages" discontinued product lines after 7 years, I don't think it's much of a "timebomb."

 

[dan98]

No, Google didn't stop sending notifications for the version that I'm using....because it works..and then it stops working.
Same with Whatsapp, Messenger, Uber, and every other app on my phone, including iMessage.
They all work on a fresh install, then they become intermittent all at the same time.

So, no, none of the apps I'm using have simply stopped sending notifications on the apps that are installed from the App store using 15.8.2.

 

[platinumaqua]

My SE 1 is on 14.8.1 and it still receives notifications

 

[TechnoMonk]

No, Google didn't stop sending notifications for the version that I'm using....because it works..and then it stops working.
Same with Whatsapp, Messenger, Uber, and every other app on my phone, including iMessage.
They all work on a fresh install, then they become intermittent all at the same time.

So, no, none of the apps I'm using have simply stopped sending notifications on the apps that are installed from the App store using 15.8.2.

It sounds like a local/isolated issue with your setup. Are you implying some Apple engineer is personally and deliberately sabotaging your phone? Like others have said, their notifications work. May be do a hard reset and restore from a backup.

 

[dan98]

It sounds like a local/isolated issue with your setup. Are you implying some Apple engineer is personally and deliberately sabotaging your phone? Like others have said, their notifications work. May be do a hard reset and restore from a backup.

I'm not sure why you're repeatedly trying to clarify what I've said and questioning - it's right there in the topic heading.
I never said anything about an Apple engineer 'personally' sabotaging 'my phone'. That's a weird and twisted interpretation.

At this point, I'm pretty sure you're not interested in helping at all, just making a mockery out of my suggestion for internet points.
(Or are you actually an AI bot?)

Although there's still no solutions, I'm following up on the useful suggestions made by other posters who've actually read and understand the issues here.

 

[Reverend Benny]

You make a good point about RAM - I wonder if there is a way to clear the RAM and then monitor it until it fills up again.

Here’s how to clear the RAM of your older iPhone model with a Home button:

1. Press and hold the power button (on the side or the top) until the power-off slider shows up on the screen.
2. Release the power button.
3. When you press and hold the Home button, your iPhone will turn off and on again. In the process, it will clear the RAM, freeing up space on your phone.
4. Restart your apps as you need them, and breathe a sigh of relief as your iPhone does exactly what you ask of it flawlessly.

source:

Your step-by-step guide for how to clear RAM on your iPhone

If your iPhone is sluggish or glitchy, one of the easiest things you can do is clear the RAM to speed things up and make it run better.

macpaw.com

 

[dan98]

Here’s how to clear the RAM of your older iPhone model with a Home button:

1. Press and hold the power button (on the side or the top) until the power-off slider shows up on the screen.
2. Release the power button.
3. When you press and hold the Home button, your iPhone will turn off and on again. In the process, it will clear the RAM, freeing up space on your phone.
4. Restart your apps as you need them, and breathe a sigh of relief as your iPhone does exactly what you ask of it flawlessly.

source:

Your step-by-step guide for how to clear RAM on your iPhone

If your iPhone is sluggish or glitchy, one of the easiest things you can do is clear the RAM to speed things up and make it run better.

macpaw.com

Thanks : ) I'll give this a try and see if it clears things up, even temporarily.

 

[MacCheetah3]

You make a good point about RAM - I wonder if there is a way to clear the RAM

Here’s how to clear the RAM of your older iPhone model with a Home button:

1. Press and hold the power button (on the side or the top) until the power-off slider shows up on the screen.
2. Release the power button.
3. When you press and hold the Home button, your iPhone will turn off and on again. In the process, it will clear the RAM, freeing up space on your phone.
4. Restart your apps as you need them, and breathe a sigh of relief as your iPhone does exactly what you ask of it flawlessly.

source:

Your step-by-step guide for how to clear RAM on your iPhone

If your iPhone is sluggish or glitchy, one of the easiest things you can do is clear the RAM to speed things up and make it run better.

macpaw.com

A standard shut down and (re)boot should do it.

Restart your iPhone - Apple Support

Learn how to turn your iPhone off, then back on.

support.apple.com

 

[dasmb]

It would make sense though for them to try and wipe-out the 4" format at this point, from an app developer's POV.

But it would make no sense from a PR POV.

Apple is such a lawsuit sink that it's had to take expensive corrective actions, both financial and product, to offset even a defensible engineering choice like slightly underclocking phones with dying batteries so they slow down rather than crash.

 

[Tyler O'Bannon]

I don't think Apple is deliberately killing anything, that's an old phone, old OS, and there's just bound to be more and more problems as time goes by. That's just the playing field for that device, not an attack from Apple IMHO

 

[shot099]

Hi, I read your post that you dint receive notifications on your iPhone SE 2016. For me this sounds like your apps don’t refresh in the background. Did you check if that might be turned off in the settings of the app? And also check the status of your battery. If your battery is in “service” it might be your phone gets throttled down by software and that because of that apps dont run in the background so much to prevent your phone from crashing. Let me know if this maybe helped you, best regards

 

[dan98]

Hi, I read your post that you dint receive notifications on your iPhone SE 2016. For me this sounds like your apps don’t refresh in the background. Did you check if that might be turned off in the settings of the app? And also check the status of your battery. If your battery is in “service” it might be your phone gets throttled down by software and that because of that apps dont run in the background so much to prevent your phone from crashing. Let me know if this maybe helped you, best regards

Hi, thanks.
Yes background refresh is on and battery health is 98%.
I have also erased and reinstalled both phones (twice).
I'm glad to hear other's phones are still working properly on 15.8.2 but mine seem to have lost all reliability for notifications since 3 weeks ago.

 

[winxmac]

Have you tried going through Settings --> Notification to make sure that it is enabled for each app and that you are not on Do Not Disturb or Focus Mode?

 

[dan98]

Have you tried going through Settings --> Notification to make sure that it is enabled for each app and that you are not on Do Not Disturb or Focus Mode?

Yes all settings are correct.