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Come on people... Anyone who uses his/her brain just a little bit is going to activate a US iTunes store account, as the US store is cheaper than any other country's one.

So,you encourage people to break law? Or suggest that apple encourages people to break law? :)
The "buying iTunes coupons from the interwebz and wishing that they would work more than a week and hoping that meanwhile nobody steals your credit card numbers" game is not for the weak of hart.

For me the worst part is this :
Apple promised in their advertizement that we are going to get video materiel for europeans...2 years ago? Still nothing.I still have a completely useless :apple:TV sitting here.
Apple is just too afraid of the studios jumping off iTunes ship so they dont want to jeopardise their business with complying with the laws that EU has set them (apple).
I really,really hope that EU would slap apple with same kind of fines that they gave to microsoft. That would be a nice reminder for both apple and the music/movie companies that do not trifle with consumers.
But,dont think we are going to see that. Apple has this magic of flying under the radar while microsoft is getting all the flak.

Oh and... by the way... as far as I know EU is a single market according to EU law. There is no way Apple or anybody else can hinder let's say an Irish citizen to buy anything in, let's say, the UK in any store (and there is no reason why iTunes store should be some exception). Someone should finally sue Apple about their practice to make them realize what the law says, so that they finally stop treating EU countries as separate markets only available to each country's citizens.

We should start a petition or group sue or something! I am in!
Sickened and tired of this Bs.
 
Still waiting for ringtones here in the UK!! Apple seems to have quietly forgotten about this one.
 
As much as i love your thinking, really I do think apple over charge for stuff on the itunes store, but I'm afraid to say apple can sell things at whatever price they want to whoever they want.
Yes, and you are absolutely free to buy at whatever store you like. You can fly to US and buy (almost) whatever you like, or simply cross the (practically non-existing) border between EU countries and buy (virtually) anything you like, right? Especially within EU, a bank in e.g. France has to open an account for you even if you are a e.g. UK citizen. How is then Apple going to hinder you to buy at Apple store France?

Bare in mind the stores are arranged by country to match episode release dates etc. If a show was being aired in the us (the US is often first after all), and UK people were simply buying it all from Itunes USA.. what would be the point of airing the show in the UK?
This is very simple to solve. What hinders the studios/TV stations to broadcast the shows at approx. the same time? (Not like nowadays, when Europe is half a year after the US).

Also apple can charge UK people alot more because (as with all firms.. Abercrombie for example) they have adopted a policy of charging more (40-60% more i believe) in smaller markets, compared to the USA.
At the end of the day.. UK people pay more for EVERYTHING, its not just itunes.

Apple/whoever else can charge UK (generally EU) people more for everything, because people are too lazy to do something about it. I personally don't remember when have I bought anything (more expensive) in my home country, if it is cheaper abroad. There is always a way to buy things abroad. If stores won't sell something in your country because no one buys it for double the price of abroad, they will have to lower the prices at the end (basic economics laws). It is (almost always) the choice of the consumers which price they are willing to accept.

and btw, making a USA account wont work unless you have a USA credit/debit card. (feel free to correct me)

You either ask some of your friends in the US (if you have any) to dedicate a credit card to you (which you will be payng for to them), or you buy yourself an iTunes store gift card, which you pay for via PayPal and then just state you are from US at the iTunes registration. There is no way Apple store finds out you're not (you don't need the credit card at all in that case).
 
So,you encourage people to break law? Or suggest that apple encourages people to break law? :)

I suggest that people do whatever is necessary to make to lawmakers change the laws, which are stupid / obsolete / only protect someone's exaggerated profits through lobbying.

An example - dvd regions: there are DVD regions because:
1. Traditionally, cinemas have been analogue (film-strip based projection) -> they needed a physical copy of a film, which was expensive to make -> only limited number of copies were usually made -> the limited number of film copies had to be shared by the whole world -> films were introduced in some order (US first, then Europe, ... etc)
2. therefore, if a movie has not yet been introduced in, e.g. Japan, but monts ago it has been shown in the US, logically, film studios needed DVD regions to make people in Japan to go to cinemas and not buy a DVD from the US (I am not saying this was OK, but at least it made some sense).
3. Nowadays, (the vast majority of) movies / cinemas showing them are digital (or will be in a very short time). Therefore, the logic in points 1.&2. does not apply at all. There is no reason why movies couldn't be shown at the same time anywhere...
4. Do we still have DVD region protection? Yes. Why? That's a good question. Do we do anything about it? Well, people are too lazy I gues...


With TV broadcast, it's very similar. Dividing markets makes sense if the broadcast is payed for via commercials (which is the case when real broadcasting takes place). With Apple TV/iTunes (or anything similar), it is not the commercials that pay for the show. It is you with your money cash. What is the difference whether you are from US or Botswana? Zero. The recent situation is nonsense.

We should start a petition or group sue or something!

Absolutely!
 
For price comparison purposes in UK - Xbox HD movie rentals are £4.59
and SD are £3.06.

I actually havn't tried downloading HD movie rentals on Xbox yet, but will give one a go. Anyone tried in UK? Are you happy

Cant compare TV shows as Xbox marketplace in UK doesnt do TV shows!
 
With TV broadcast, it's very similar. Dividing markets makes sense if the broadcast is payed for via commercials (which is the case when real broadcasting takes place). With Apple TV/iTunes (or anything similar), it is not the commercials that pay for the show. It is you with your money cash. What is the difference whether you are from US or Botswana? Zero. The recent situation is nonsense.

The differences are significant, and very simple -

1) Copyright laws vary massively from country to country. The UK for example has no concept of "fair use" in copyright law. There are a few allowances, but they are small and specific. Lots of television programmes contain bits of other people's copyright that the studio hasn't paid or obtained permission for because it isn't legally required in how they’ve used it in their home territory. But it might be in the UK. And vice versa. Sometimes the difference between release dates is to go back and clear those bits, or re-edit the programme to cut them out. The same applies to other laws too - libel law in the UK is much stronger than in the US, and for example the episode of South Park about Tom Cruise can't be shown in the UK as it would very likely be found to be illegal. But you don’t have to be in the UK to be sued for libel. US producers can (and have) be sued for providing material to UK citizens containing statements libellous under UK law. Almost every combination of countries in the world has similar contradictions.

2) TV networks pay a lot (a LOT) of money for foreign shows. This money is considerably more worthwhile than selling shows direct on iTunes (hundreds of times more). If you make a show available on iTunes in that territory the TV network that's buying it won't offer nearly so much money, and you have to be staggeringly successful to make up the difference on iTunes.

Oh, and for completeness -

3) This stuff about the single market is a red herring. It doesn't apply to things you don't have permission to distribute in a territory, nor do you have to grant permission to distribute to any territory you don't want to under copyright law. Seriously, anyone considering a complaint on this doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. You'd be far more productive complaining that that Apple won't licence Fairplay, so other boardcasters can't give out time limited DRMed rentals for free with advertising. Most people would quite like that, but it can't happen while Apple maintains it's monopoly on the system.

Phazer
 
I cannot see any point in paying more to download, when i could buy a physical DVD for less. maybe I am missing the point? How many Gigabytes is a whole series going to be? Pretty huge I'd guess...
 
The differences are significant, and very simple -

1) Copyright laws vary massively from country to country. The UK for example has no concept of "fair use" in copyright law. There are a few allowances, but they are small and specific. Lots of television programmes contain bits of other people's copyright that the studio hasn't paid or obtained permission for because it isn't legally required in how they’ve used it in their home territory. But it might be in the UK. And vice versa. Sometimes the difference between release dates is to go back and clear those bits, or re-edit the programme to cut them out. The same applies to other laws too - libel law in the UK is much stronger than in the US, and for example the episode of South Park about Tom Cruise can't be shown in the UK as it would very likely be found to be illegal. But you don’t have to be in the UK to be sued for libel. US producers can (and have) be sued for providing material to UK citizens containing statements libellous under UK law. Almost every combination of countries in the world has similar contradictions.
Phazer

First of all, thanks for explanation - you certainly seem to have a lot of knowledge on these issues (in contrast to myself). I see there are many factors to be aware of, but what I am trying to say is that all these (in my opinion nonsense) regulations are a result of someone's (artists, studio's) lobbying. For instance, in my country, there is a law (on consumer protection) that says that if a company sells some product/service, it cannot elect who is allowed to buy it and who is not - the company is obliged to sell to anyone if the company sells the product / service at all. I really do not know if there is an exception for copyrighted material but I just don't see why artists/studios should be privileged in any way - they are selling a product to a consumer. Either they should be allowed to sell it (to anyone), or they can keep it for themselves. At least, there is the Constitution, which is is more general and stands above laws, and which says people are equal, right? Anoher questions I'd like to ask: There is EU legislation which is common (and obligatory) for EU member states and which stands above national legislations. Doesn't it cover the broadcasting/copyright stuff so that there would be single rules for the whole market?

2) TV networks pay a lot (a LOT) of money for foreign shows. This money is considerably more worthwhile than selling shows direct on iTunes (hundreds of times more). If you make a show available on iTunes in that territory the TV network that's buying it won't offer nearly so much money, and you have to be staggeringly successful to make up the difference on iTunes.
Phazer

I see what you are saying. It sounds logical, too. But: at the end, there are (will be) shows that sell in let's say two (or more) countries on iTunes. Hence, even if your point is still valid, the seller of the show will have decided to sell it on iTunes anyway (in both countries). Now can I then buy the show in any of those countries? Again - why not?

Anyway, do I break the law if I watch Austrian TV because I live close to Austria (but not in the country)? Even my cable operator broadcasts Austrian TV, with foreign shows which Austrian TV certainly is allowed to distribute only in Austria. Why on earth should I not be allowed to buy the same shows on Austrian iTunes instead my country's own one?

Oh, and for completeness -

3) This stuff about the single market is a red herring. It doesn't apply to things you don't have permission to distribute in a territory, nor do you have to grant permission to distribute to any territory you don't want to under copyright law.
Phazer

Again, if I travel to UK, buy a TV show in UK iTunes store (or record a TV broadcast on a DVD recorder in the UK), then travel back home and watch it, then what? Have they distributed the show in the territory or not? Certainly yes. Do I have the option to view the show elsewhere? Certainly yes. Now what is the difference if I just bought the show from the UK iTunes store? According to the law maybe there is. As far as the reality goes (me watching the show from UK outside of UK) there is no difference at all.

Seriously, anyone considering a complaint on this doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. You'd be far more productive complaining that that Apple won't licence Fairplay, so other boardcasters can't give out time limited DRMed rentals for free with advertising. Most people would quite like that, but it can't happen while Apple maintains it's monopoly on the system.

Phazer

You are probably right but then, what can one do to change this absurd legislation? It certainly is not the laws of nature and hence can be wrong and can be changed, right?
 
"Cost of Market Domination

Consumers are spending more and more on buying and renting movies online. But, says Screen Digest research analyst Marija Jaroslavskaja, the sector is dominated by hardware companies prepared to sell content at a loss to add value to and promote their core businesses, making it all but impossible for stand-alone movie stores to survive.

Screen Digest estimates that in the U.K., where Apple iTunes accounts for over 65% of online movie transactions, the store made a loss of around £0.5 million selling new release movies in 2008. Digging further into the Apple iTunes economics presents an interesting picture.

While consumers spent over £2 million on buying new release movies on iTunes, almost all of this went to the studios, which command up to 110% of the wholesale price. The next beneficiaries in line were the Luxembourg tax office (Apple iTunes Europe is based in Luxembourg and under EU rules is taxed based on the citizenship of the company rather than the consumer) with £0.32 million and credit card companies (£0.06 million).

The economics play out better in the case of catalog titles—where studios take a 70% cut of the retail price—and digital rental—where their share is 60%—helping Apple to minimize the overall loss on its digital movie business.

However, library titles and digital rental, while more profitable for Apple, have traditionally never been at the forefront of studio priorities when compared to the sales and profitability of new releases.

With these dominant services—which set the de facto market prices—trying to at best break even, small stand-alone services are hit by a double whammy of low margin retail prices, which they are unable to influence, and low take-up due to the lack of a device ecosystem.

Moreover, small services are in danger of falling short of the minimum guarantees stipulated by studio licenses, which further inflates their unit costs. Across Western Europe, service providers made a gross loss of Euro 0.2 million from digital retail movies in 2008.

Digital rental is doing slightly better, resulting in gross revenue of Euro 5.4 million. Across the transactional movies sector, service providers made a gross profit of Euro 5.2 million from consumer spending of Euro 44.7 million. Nevertheless, more than 15 online movie services in Western Europe and the U.S. have announced their closure in 2008 alone.

As the stand-alone digital movie business model becomes increasingly unsustainable, the online video services of Apple, Microsoft and Sony, backed by high hardware installed bases and ‘value-add economics,’ will continue to dominate the market.

The only viable competition will come from other companies whose core businesses lie elsewhere and which are prepared to accept losses on online video delivery to drive consumers toward some other core profit center.

Video services run by super market chains like Carrefour or Tesco might successfully mirror their physical movie loss-leading strategy, but this is only likely to happen through careful management and execution of a digital media strategy that takes in the retailer’s entire consumer experience—adding value to the existing retail business, not taking a new direction altogether. In the U.K., for example, Tesco has already begun to link its digital music retail operation with the core supermarket business: shoppers receive special codes on supermarket till receipts that offer discounts at the Tesco Digital music store. Developing a similar strategy for movies seems like a logical next step."

http://redigitaleditions.com/Active.../01/26&BookCollection=RVD&ReaderStyle=WithPDF
 
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