HD DVD or Blu Ray?

[Motley]

So, as has been said before, it is all reliant on the porn industry. 😎

😉 😀

I'm not so sure about that this time around. Think about it, do you really want to see what the actresses actually look like.😱

Though, evidentally HD-DVDs are cheaper to make.

 

[Swarmlord]

Lasrdisc ruled for over 20 years, it WAS THE HIGH QUALITY FORMAT.

Big success in the US and Japan, less so in Europe and the rest of the world.

Ruled? I've only known one person that ever even owned a player and even he won it in a sales contest and had all of one disc to play on it.

 

[Warbrain]

Ruled? I've only known one person that ever even owned a player and even he won it in a sales contest and had all of one disc to play on it.

It was mainly an education phenomenon. Many schools still have laserdisc players and use them. I would never want one in my home since I don't need to have a record-sized piece of plastic to use to play everything.

 

[poppe]

You say that, but people have said the same thing every time a new generation of technology comes out.

Electronic companies and move houses will always find a new way of making us spend more money buying new technologies and restocking our movie collections.

I'd go to movies again when they start kicking out all those ignorant/rude/pr***/B**** people who do text messaging/talk/laugh at parts on purpose to be stupid/etc.

I could careless if movies looked like VHS just give me some peace and quiet when I can actually fall in to movies... Please...

 

[~Shard~]

I'm not so sure about that this time around. Think about it, do you really want to see what the actresses actually look like.😱

Depends what part of them. 😱

😛 😎

 

[combatcolin]

Ruled? I've only known one person that ever even owned a player and even he won it in a sales contest and had all of one disc to play on it.

Yes, VHS had the mass market and Laserdisc had the high end.

Of course DVD now is both the mass market and the high end, just depends on what version of a film you buy.

 

[Erasmus®]

question

Hi guys, I got a question about the actual hardware. I onw a mbp core duo 2 17", I was wondering if it was high definition compatible. What about the screen? and the dvd drive? will they read high definition or blue ray disks?

 

[Kevin83165]

Hope HD DVD wins. Much cheaper for me to buy a 360 add on player

 

[MrSmith]

It's all so confusing. Think I'll go listen to the radio. 🙁

 

[combatcolin]

Hi guys, I got a question about the actual hardware. I onw a mbp core duo 2 17", I was wondering if it was high definition compatible. What about the screen? and the dvd drive? will they read high definition or blue ray disks?

A MBP has a shed load of power and can easily drive a HD image, but it comes with a Normal rewritable DVD drive.

Its screen is limited, but it can drive a 30" monitor image, which is higher that HD.

 

[Erasmus®]

A MBP has a shed load of power and can easily drive a HD image, but it comes with a Normal rewritable DVD drive.

Its screen is limited, but it can drive a 30" monitor image, which is higher that HD.

ehm.. sorry, I'm a bit new to mac. Can you explain yourslef a bit better? will I be able tu rund hd disks if I rent them, for exemple? Thx

 

[MRU]

will I be able tu rund hd disks if I rent them, for exemple? Thx

Wil you be able to run the HD-DVD disc's if you rent them ? I assume that's your question.

The anwer is.

Not at the moment.

1) no mac ships with either a blu-ray drive or HD-DVD drive

2) there is no software on the mac to play back either format


But...

1) eventually they will ship with some form of drive - hopefully a multi-format

2) you could always use an external HD-DVD player such as the Xbox360's HD-DVD drive which is already recognised by your Apple mac.

3) Apple will release an update to it's DVD player software which will support both formats. Probably with 10.5 Leopard

 

[Erasmus®]

3) Apple will release an update to it's DVD player software which will support both formats. Probably with 10.5 Leopard

And will this work with my actual dvd drive? I don't think it will, as you need a hardware upgrade, I immagine, don't you? And what about the screen? will this one work inthe end! thanks for the patience!

 

[swiftaw]

And will this work with my actual dvd drive? I don't think it will, as you need a hardware upgrade, I immagine, don't you? And what about the screen? will this one work inthe end! thanks for the patience!

To clear this up:

Your Mac will never play either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs as it only contains a standard DVD drive.

In order to play HD-DVD or Blu-Ray on your Mac you will need two things
1) An external HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive
2) Appropriate software.

Now, Apple will take care of 2) eventually (maybe Leopard).

Also, I would imagine eventually future Macs will ship with a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive but as of right now non do.

I hope that is clear.

 

[Erasmus®]

yep

yes it definitely is, thanks a lot for the patience!

 

[robphoton]

Its all about capacity

Blu-ray will win in the end because it holds 25 Gb per layer while HDDVD only holds 15 Gb. This means a blu-ray disk with two layers holds 50 Gb. The max that HD DVD can hold is only 30 Gb. As we all know, there is never enough space - especially for video.

All Sony has to do to kill off HD DVD is to release its movies (Sony Pictures) in lower compression format that will look better than HD DVD but will not fit on HDDVD disks. The blu-ray movies will then look better than the HD DVD movies.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Blu-ray will win in the end because it holds 25 Gb per layer while HDDVD only holds 15 Gb. This means a blu-ray disk with two layers holds 50 Gb. The max that HD DVD can hold is only 30 Gb. As we all know, there is never enough space - especially for video.

All Sony has to do to kill off HD DVD is to release its movies (Sony Pictures) in lower compression format that will look better than HD DVD but will not fit on HDDVD disks. The blu-ray movies will then look better than the HD DVD movies.

Too bad that's not actually how it's working out and both discs have more than enough room as final delivery products for consumer grade video. In all the head-to-head reviews I've seen the HD-DVD versions of movies have won in terms of image quality because Blu-ray is still using MPEG-2 compression instead of the newer codecs like H.264 and VC1 (which look better and take up less space) that HD-DVD is using. The only place where Blu-ray's additional storage really matters is in IT applications.


Lethal

 

[Jschultz]

I guess you'd have to be a true videophile to tell a big difference, but let me tell you this- At work we have a 65" Mitsubishi 1080p DLP set. We did a split screen demo of two movies (since WB releases on both formats) -one on blu ray, one on HD-DVD. I really could not see any glaring differences. Obviously one played at 1080i, one at 1080p. I'm also not sure if the Mitsu we have is one of the sets that properly de-interlaces as well, so for all I know, they could have both been 'seen' by the TV as 1080p.

I do like the audio on HD-DVD better though.

 

[asencif]

Well this war is going to last for a long time. It seems the studios that are not neutral have a very heavy investment in the format they are supporting. Also, since the adoption to HD is slow especially on the optical media end by consumers this is going to be grinded out to the end.

Before the PS3, HD-DVD seemed to be wiping the floor with Blu-Ray, however despite the Playstation 3 being way below expectations on the sales end, it seems many have bought this system for a cheap Blu-Ray player. The $700-$1000 Blu-Ray standalones have been way too pricey, so many have gone the way of the PS3 for HD Movies. The problem is that eventually all the interested early adopters will be done with getting their PS3's and it will need games to drive up it's sales.

Back to the war, well HD-DVD is on gen2 for it's Standalones and can now be found for $399 if you know how to look and probably will be cheaper in the next few months. For X-Box 360 owners they can choose to adopt for $200, which has done very well in sales.

The future does not look to good however, since now WB is going to release it's movies in True HD discs, which contain Blu-Ray on one-side and HD-DVD on the other. If more studios adopt this than it will be tough to choose which format and it the end we pay for two movies and one which we will not use. The Dual Format players can also do damage if they end up being around $500 and is good for the consumer because they don't have to worry, but it will be hard to get it down to that price range.

Studios could probably just stay the course and Dual Format players would be the norm like DVD-R/+R fiasco.

By the way, the pRon industry has chosen to go with HD-DVD because the production costs are lower and Sony has been difficult assisting these studios. The HDi in HD-DVD is also another reason why they went that route.

 

[~Shard~]

The HD in HD-DVD is also another reason why they went that route.

Not surprising at all. You can cite GBs, laser technoogies, resolutions, whatever, but it all means nothing to a great deal of consumers out there. They don't care which technology is better, they just want one that is cheap. And in this case, Joe Consumer will see the "HD" in HD-DVD and, since HD is all the rage right now, relate to that better than Blu Ray (which he will assume is some sort of tropical fish.) It happened with VHS as well. Beta was superior from a technological standpoint, however VHS was marketed better and was cheaper. The masses adopted it and we all know how that story ended. 😎

 

[LethalWolfe]

I guess you'd have to be a true videophile to tell a big difference...

The reviews I read were from videophile sites that were closing inspecting each title. To the average consumer the pretty much is no difference.

By the way, the pRon industry has chosen to go with HD-DVD because the production costs are lower and Sony has been difficult assisting these studios.

Saying Sony has been difficult is putting it mildly. From what I've read Sony will pull the Blu-ray license of any duplication/replication facility that has any porn come off it's assembly line.


Lethal

 

[poppe]

The reviews I read were from videophile sites that were closing inspecting each title. To the average consumer the pretty much is no difference.



Saying Sony has been difficult is putting it mildly. From what I've read Sony will pull the Blu-ray license of any duplication/replication facility that has any porn come off it's assembly line.


Lethal

Yeah I heard they wanted not a single thing to do with the porn industry...

Anyways. I could never do Blue Ray after Sony's CD thing... It just makes me to damn nervous.

 

[takao]

neither
i would say it's still 3-4 years to early at least around here... i still know plenty people who don't have a dvd player

sure the media companies would like to shove down the latest media every 2 years but people aren't going to adapt everything you throw at them

and to top it off the amount of capacy between harddisks and optical media is getting larger and larger

also the format war is going to cost all sides money .. most people will wait... many got burnt by vhs-betamax and thus it took forever untill dvd recorders catched on .. actually around here they were the most popular thing for christmas .. especially those with built in HD


dvd is here to stay for years .. it's more popular than vhs ever was

 

[bousozoku]

I was really glad to see LG demonstrating their dual format player at CES. I'm not so glad about the $1200+ price. Warner Brothers news about a single disc that is able to be played in both players is also a good thing, as long as it doesn't eschew quality for convenience.

Having bought a Sony Betamax recorder in 1980, replacing it with a Mitsubishi VHS recorder in 1986 and not seeing better video, I have doubts about where things are going. Early DVDs didn't look any better to me than laserdiscs but had the 5.1 sound in the same multi-disc player. It's gotten much better since that time.

I really don't care about the formats. I only want the consumer to win. I want better quality and a reasonable price. It still seems as if it's going to be another 10 years before the HDTV + HD discs + HD broadcasts are going to be settled.

These two formats seem to be an echo of AM Stereo.

 

[Danger! Will]

I'd say the format that wins is whatever Sony does NOT support.

They've backed
Betamax
DAT Digital Audio Tape
MiniDisc

So i'm all for HD-DVD...