HDR (Amazon Video does it better than Netflix)

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  1. walex19 macrumors member

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    Even on my built in apps on my 2015 Sony tv, it's the same on the apple tv. Watching the grand tour in HDR and it's fantastic!
     
  2. Spankey macrumors 6502a

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    Netflix mostly uses Dolby Vision for HDR and most of that content is film based. I don't think one service is better than the either as its mostly content that makes the difference. That said. Le Mans on Amazon looks incredible.
     
  3. archer75 macrumors 65816

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    Depends on the content. Something mastered to take advantage of the features of dolby vision will always look better than HDR10.
     
  4. walex19 thread starter macrumors member

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    Fair enough, but yeah, Le Mans looks insane!
     
  5. geesus macrumors 6502

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    Amazon just does streaming better, full stop...well, apart from audio at the moment.

    Their video quality has been superior for a while now.
     
  6. Cell-666 macrumors 6502a

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    I have double checked content between Netflix on my TV app and Netflix on the ATV and it does look slightly better on ATV. However, the Grand Tour is only in HD non-HDR.
     
  7. Spankey macrumors 6502a

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    Check your set. It’s most definitely in HDR.
     
  8. Cell-666 macrumors 6502a

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    I have. Playing from the Amazon app on the LG TV it will flick automatically to 4K HDR, which is didn't, plus there's no logo on the programme's page to say it's in 4K, unlike the first series. On the ATV Amazon app it's the same. I even turned on the developers HUD to see what it was playing in and it definitely shows SDR 1080.
     
  9. cyb3rdud3 macrumors 65816

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    Not for me; its definitely UHD HDR
     
  10. Cell-666 macrumors 6502a

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    That is odd then. I'll double check but 100% sure it's only SDR and 1080. You have checked this in the HUD?
     
  11. cyb3rdud3 macrumors 65816

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    My OLED is switching to the original material setting. The image quality is without doubt UHD.
     
  12. Cell-666 macrumors 6502a

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    Definitely in SDR 1080 :(
     

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    At least on the native app of my Sony Bravia sometime the content is messed up. I had cases already of duplicated TV Shows, one with SDR and the other with HDR. I think Grand Tour, months ago, was one indeed. Maybe it's a similar issue. Try to search for "Grand Tour" and see what you get. That's how I fixed it in my TV.

    Back to the OP, how does it look "The OA" with the ATV 4K (I don't own one, yet)? Is that supposed to be filmed in Dolby Vision as well? Because in the Sony forums we are getting mad at the poor quality of Netflix in HDR10, and "The OA" in my experience was simply awful. It was much better turning the HDR off in the TV (which doesn't get the SDR stream, though. It's like if it reproduces the HDR stream in a SDR display).
     
  14. Cell-666 macrumors 6502a

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    Found it, yeah the Grand Tour has both HDR and SDR, just needed to look in the UHD section....d'oh
     
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    Me too, thought I was going mad :D
     
  17. The Game 161 macrumors Pentium

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    But don’t Netflix have far more content than amazon for 4K HDR?
     
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    The Dolby Vision content on Netflix is by far the best-looking content I’ve seen on my 2017 LG OLED. HDR10 on Amazon is great, but it can look a little “too” HDR to my eye from time to time. The Dolby Vision stuff is astonishing. Mindhunter changed my standard about how good streaming TV could look.

    I will say, fast-moving 4K content looks better on Amazon for sure. But when it comes to HDR, my personal preference is Netflix.
     
  19. tonyr6 macrumors 65816

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    I don't even like HDR. All it does is lower the contrast, boost the colors and brightness. I always like my colors in the middle around 45-50% and my brightness down to 10%.
     
  20. cyb3rdud3 macrumors 65816

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    That is so funny I had to copy it and keep it. May I respectfully suggest you try it again on a well calibrated set, heck perhaps even try a nice OLED with Dolby Vision....'All is does is lower the contrast, boost colors and brightness' hahahahaha funny guy...
     
  21. err404 macrumors 68020

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    Don’t take this the wrong way, but this is not true at all. Sure poorly done HDR may look like this, but properly done it can really enhance a film. In fact when done right, the whole point is to to allow some areas or scenes of a movie to have that deep saturation without the rest looking garish. For example a flashlight pointing at the camera is not simply the same white as a piece of paper. While they both look white, the light is also bright.
     
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    I'd single Le Mans out as the single worst example of HDR I've ever seen. It looks ridiculous, as if someone just turned all the dials up to 11 because nobody was there to stop them. It's so overly bright it's painful to watch.

    Netflix's HDR work is far more restrained and realistic.
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    HDR is still early, so there are lots of bad examples of it out there. Netflix's work on Stranger Things looks excellent, except for elevated black levels (which is a common problem with DV material at the moment). Or try the HDR10 work on the Dunkirk or Revenant UHD discs.
     
  23. rhett7660 macrumors G4

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    I have found it the opposite. Using both the native samsung app or the one on the appletv. Amazon has banding and issues with dark colors. Horrible reproduction on both devices. Watched "The Arrival" and it was pretty noticeable throughout the entire movie. I will try another movie to see if I notice the same. I haven't tried renting it on Apple yet, but between this and Man In the High Castle, the picture quality has been lacking. All hardwired, not over wifi.

    With Man In The High Castle, I actually got a better picture by streaming it from my Phone to the AppleTV than watching it via the app on the tv or appletv. Go figure.
     
  24. Michelasso macrumors regular

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    It must depend on the TV display as well, then, because on my Bravia with IPS panel via ATV 4K the HDR content I checked in Amazon was from good to amazing. Lore (ep. 5. Watched yesterday) was fantastic. Via ATV 4K I don't even realise the content is in HDR, so much that I have to check in the TV Picture settings (even in Netflix! Usually a nightmare in my TV). With the TV's native apps I have always complained that HDR has a sort of "fog effect". The Grand Tour on ATV 4K looks a bit too much saturated, though. The oranges and reds are popping.

    Then I noticed myself the picture may look a bit darker in general. For that I pumped the Gamma to 2 (3 is the max). It's just that the "optimal" picture settings I had in my Bravia's Amazon Video app do not really apply when using the ATV 4K. What I can't get a rid of is the general feeling of crushed black and artificial colours with thumbnails/icons. But I get something similar with the PS4, so I don't know if it is something in my TV with the HDMI signals.
     
  25. rhett7660 macrumors G4

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    Interesting. Using a Samsung MU9000 4K UHD TV and the 4K content that I have watched via Amazon has not been what you mentioned in terms of clarity etc. Will try out that episode of Lore, we actually just started watching since the wife listens to the podcast. Will give it a try.
     

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