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HDR10+ Support Not Coming to Apple TV App in iOS 16 and macOS Ventura After All?

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Following the WWDC 2022 keynote event on Monday, Apple published iOS 16, iPadOS 16, and macOS Ventura Preview pages outlining all of the new features. All three sites listed "HDR10+" support for the Apple TV app as an upcoming feature, but now that mention has been removed.

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Apple this morning updated the iOS 16, iPadOS 16, and macOS Ventura "All New Features" pages to scrub any mention of HDR10+ support for the Apple TV app. Here's what it said:
HDR10+ support
The latest generation of high dynamic range technology is now supported in the Apple TV app.
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The removal of the HDR10+ mention from all three sites suggests that the feature is not coming to any version of the TV app after all. There is a chance that Apple could re-add this as a feature in the future, but for now, it looks like those who were anticipating the HDR10+ support feature will not be getting it in iOS 16, iPadOS 16, and macOS Ventura.

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turbineseaplane said:
That's a bummer

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hagjohn said:
It really sucks that they don't support some of these standards.
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Not really. HDR10+ only exists because of Samsung, and it's not anywhere near as good as DV, which Apple already supports. Its name confuses customers who can't differentiate it from HDR, and it segments the market.
JanoschR said:
what is it and why do we need this? (and which devices would support it?)
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It's an advanced form of HDR that competes with Dolby Vision. Samsung TVs are the primary promotor of HDR+.

Here is a basic breakdown of the differences, courtesy of rtings.

HDR10HDR10+Dolby Vision
Bit DepthGoodGreatGreat
Peak Brightness MinimumGoodGoodGreat
Peak Brightness MaximumExcellentExcellentExcellent
Tone MappingGoodBetterBest
MetadataStaticDynamicDynamic
TV SupportAmazingGoodGreat
Content AvailabilityBestGreatExcellent
 
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Could be a something that is not in the clear with permissions and written deals with media on the store.

To be clear it is a big deal to support hdr10+ over only hdr10. We need support so that the format war ends and we can be able to watch all content.
 
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JanoschR said:
what is it and why do we need this? (and which devices would support it?)
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The royalty-free, open source alternative to Dolby Vision. Anyone with a Samsung television and a few other brands don't have Dolby Vision but will generally have this. So this would "scratch that itch" for those people.

Not everyone "needs" it but it would be nice to have... like ATMOS was nice to have instead of sticking with only Dolby Digital 5.1 and 4K is nice to have vs. sticking only to 1080p, etc. Not everyone can make use of real ATMOS or 4K either but both are nice for those already able to enjoy them.
 
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richpjr said:
I suspect DV "wins" the format war as it is more widely adapted, but will point out manufacturers pay a license for DV while HDR10+ is open source - if that matters.
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Agreed. Last I checked DV was $2,500 a year for a license. I realize some filmmakers might not be able to afford that, but if a studio can't afford the license I question if they have the resources to effectively implement HDR10+.
 
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richpjr said:
I suspect DV "wins" the format war as it is more widely adapted, but will point out manufacturers pay a license for DV while HDR10+ is open source - if that matters.
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”While the HDR10+ license is open and free (unlike Dolby Vision) there is an annual administration fee that brands have to pay which, according to the license program overview, is between $2500 and $10,000 depending on the product. For content companies, such as Amazon, there is no fee.”

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The questions is: how many AV brands will join founders Samsung and Panasonic in supporting this HDR format?
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License Program - HDR10+

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hdr10plus.org hdr10plus.org
 
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4jasontv said:
Not really. HDR10+ only exists because of Samsung, and it's not anywhere near as good as DV, which Apple already supports. Its name confuses customers who can't differentiate it from HDR, and it segments the market.

It's an advanced form of HDR that competes with Dolby Vision. Samsung TVs are the primary promotor of HDR+.

Here is a basic breakdown of the differences, courtesy of rtings.

HDR10HDR10+Dolby Vision
Bit DepthGoodGreatGreat
Peak Brightness MinimumGoodGoodGreat
Peak Brightness MaximumExcellentExcellentExcellent
Tone MappingGoodBetterBest
MetadataStaticDynamicDynamic
TV SupportAmazingGoodGreat
Content AvailabilityBestGreatExcellent
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Exactly. Having only about 32% of all TV market share- the largest share of the television pie- Samsung TVs should not be fed a royalty-free, open source alternative to Dolby Vision. Stick with an option NOT supported on about a third of all televisions everywhere.

Sarcasm aside: we should not automatically hate this because Samsung is involved. Apple still uses things from Samsung and we seem to be OK with it when Apple chooses Samsung over other alternatives for parts & pieces. And this particular thing would make some key offerings from Apple work better with the highest market share brand of televisions out there.

Objectively, Dolby Vision is considered the superior option (and I'm glad AppleTV supports it) but that makes no difference to those in the 32%... unless they want to dump their television and buy another. Through an AppleTV-focused lens, competition like Roku boxes support BOTH, so Apple NOT is leaving something fairly tangible for competing offerings... at least for 32% of TV buyers.
 
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4jasontv said:
Not really. HDR10+ only exists because of Samsung, and it's not anywhere near as good as DV, which Apple already supports. Its name confuses customers who can't differentiate it from HDR, and it segments the market.

It's an advanced form of HDR that competes with Dolby Vision. Samsung TVs are the primary promotor of HDR+.

Here is a basic breakdown of the differences, courtesy of rtings.

HDR10HDR10+Dolby Vision
Bit DepthGoodGreatGreat
Peak Brightness MinimumGoodGoodGreat
Peak Brightness MaximumExcellentExcellentExcellent
Tone MappingGoodBetterBest
MetadataStaticDynamicDynamic
TV SupportAmazingGoodGreat
Content AvailabilityBestGreatExcellent
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You’ve missed the conclusion from RTINGS.

HDR10+ is sometimes the only dynamic HDR available. See this lengthy list. By refusing to support it, you’re back down to HDR10 (static HDR).

TVs that support both formats have an advantage, and you'll see content in their proper dynamic format.
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Apple screwed up by not including both formats.

Hulu uses HDR10+. On ATV 4K, you can only get basic HDR10.

Paramount+ uses HDR10+. On ATV 4K, you’re degraded down to HDR10.

Add Prime Video, Google Play, and YouTube as HDR10+ services.

It’s not as cut and dry as you’re claiming. All modern TVs (and thus content players) should include both.
 
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Realityck said:
I wouldn't sing the praises of Samsung TVs too much, or you'll just invite everyone that has experiences issues with them to come out and critique their quality, and lack of software support.
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Not really slinging praise- though my own principal TV is one, and I think it delivers a spectacular picture- just market share. Whether "we" deem them good or crap, none of them support Dolby Vision.

While Apple could be at it- presumably now in an alternate dimension if this story is correct- I'd like to beg for DTS Audio too.
 
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Realityck said:
It was an alternative to Dolby Vision that Samsung pushed, not many TVs supported it. If your TV supports HDR10 and DV you have nothing to gain. Samsung, Panasonic TVs (not sold in the USA) have it, but then Panasonic also supports DV.
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To be fair, Samsung is likely more visible because it supports HDR10+ exclusively on its TVs.

HDR10+ as a standard is bigger than Samsung, though.

Amazon, 20th Century Fox, Panasonic, and Samsung together updated the base universal HDR10, which Apple supports.

Apple just never implemented the update. :(

HDR10+ has relatively wide backing: Blackmagic, Arm Ltd., Onkyo, Broadcom, Google, Plex, Qualcomm, Technicolor, Warner Brothers, Mediatek, Unisoc, etc.
 
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