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In that regard it seems to have echoed the trajectory of iTunes, which started off as an incredible piece of software - which was a joy to use - and gradually had so much bolted onto it over the years, that by 10 or so years ago, became the app I hated to open.

Amazingly, the Apple Music App has me longing for what I had with iTunes.

I was so bummed to lose the ability to use it via Retroactive. 😞
 
Very interesting to hear Apple is having trouble keeping AI talent. As I have said for the past three years, I do not think it makes sense for Apple to have its own money losing, compute expensive chatbot. Let the other companies lose money on that and just use their systems until they go bankrupt and buy them for pennies on the dollar.

OpenAI, Meta and Microsoft are now building or needing to build NUCLEAR REACTORS to generate that compute for all the massive data-centers they are building. And meanwhile OpenAi has concocted a check-kiting scheme with Nvidia and AMD for chips and Oracle and soft bank for compute.

I think Apple is the only adult in the room and just has to shut off all the goofy "Apple is behind in AI" echo chamber nonsense coming from tech and news social media and not rush it. There is no rush, There is nothing there yet. It is all open source, there is no moat for someone like Apple. Heck, Apple can even build their own AI chips without needing Nvidia or CUDA compatability if they wanted to. No one but the echo-chamber is clamoring for Apple to build its own AI chatbot. Let's let everyone else risk their necks rushing "eat rocks" AI's and Apple can sit back and be the control sample. Just having ChatGT or Claude as an app is perfectly fine with me.
 
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I do not particularly care about AI on my devices.

For the sake of these employees moving to work for Meta, let’s just hope this won’t turn into another post-Covid scenario where these companies over-hired, and tried to course-correct by doing a bunch of layoffs.
I would expect it to be considering the cost to hire them.
 
I have a not so negative opinion, contrary to the panicking people. It's MHO that it only reveals how much Apple is ahead of the competition. Besides, Apple is the only one applying a practical AI reality to daily operations of its systems, fully integrated with its own chips and software. Who else has it? The rest nothing more than flashy things or selling snake oil to easily impress people.
 
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Unpopular opinion: Apple is ahead in AI. They are on the right path to integrating AI with user-friendly applications and delivering real user value. Best, not first. They have a deep AI research bench as shown by their significant body of published research combined with a design-led culture to actually make the tech useful. Unrivaled privacy stance essential to earn trust with sensitive health and personal data. Meta has no vision and has time and again recruited top technical talent to deliver nothing of substance. No one else has shipped anything like the personalized Siri assistant that was delayed, and Siri is falsely equated with Apple Intelligence as a whole. This is yet another version of "Apple can't do cloud"/"Apple can't do services"/"Apple can't compete with Android" narratives and a bunch of other narratives created by those envious of Apple's success and press desperate to report the end of Apple's winning streak. Gurman has conflicts of interest and relentlessly pushes rumors about Apple's alleged AI failures, while meanwhile Apple Intelligence is gathering steam. Just like Maps. Just like iCloud. In 5 years, the critics will be silent and Apple will remain a leader in tech with smartly integrated AI features leveraging the personal data, on-device computing power and leading spatial computing capabilities that only they have. Disagree all you want - I will be proven right.
 
I know I'm late to these discussions, but I think it's possible that Apple is being the rational player here. AI is going to be everywhere all the time. Trying to pay people a ton of money to get there a day sooner doesn't really seem worth the money. So let the employees go, it really doesn't matter in the long run.
 
What am I missing? DeepSeek had such quick success in creating its LLM, why has it been so difficult for Apple- with nearly infinite resources- to do the same?
 
What am I missing? DeepSeek had such quick success in creating its LLM, why has it been so difficult for Apple- with nearly infinite resources- to do the same?

Apple has an LLM. Their problem is in figuring out how to make use of it. It's a system of systems that has to get built out - the LLM is only a small part of it.

Apple simply isn't paying enough to retain talent.
 
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Apple has an LLM. Their problem is in figuring out how to make use of it. It's a system of systems that has to get built out - the LLM is only a small part of it.

Apple simply isn't paying enough to retain talent.
I guess I just don't know enough about the topic. Apple seems to be making pretty good use of Gemini and Chat-GPT within Apple Intelligence.
 
Buy OpenAI / ChatGPT?

This one?

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Yes, that one.
 
Anyone else happy that Apple is behind in the AI race? They have a strategic advantage of not having corrupted their OS by filling it full of AI gibberish like MS and Android. Privacy is the selling point. "We meant to do this, Simon didn't say".
They destroyed their OS with bugs and glitches so I don’t know what’s best honestly
 
I am sorry to be blunt but Apple should release internal records of these AI employee's failures. Blackball them for having the audacity to not live up to Apple's lofty standards, and jump ship!
The question is, what restraints were they under? Was Cook counting beans with budget?

That’s part of why Jony Ive left; narrow, budgetary lanes, and a product design disinterest from Cook. I can’t imagine he was too interested in the software side either.
 
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While money is a big factor for most people, my guess is that they were already being paid well and an increase at Meta, while good, won’t be life altering for most.

I assume that when you’re at that level you really want to be in control and build something great. And maybe at Apple that’s not really possible if their hands are tied by…something. Maybe Apple’s privacy policies makes their work more difficult. Or Apple’s secretive corporate culture hinders collaboration. Or they don’t like being micromanaged. Who knows, it something isn’t right at Apple.
All it takes for a team of great people is one crappy manager..........
 
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The question is, what restraints were they under? Was Cook counting beans with budget?

That’s part of why Jony Ive left; narrow, budgetary lanes, and a product design disinterest from Cook. I can’t imagine he was too interested in the software side either.
I thought it was because of people pointing and laughing at his sweaters?
 
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