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Doomsayers gotta doom, but I'm just not sure this is the terrible news the more negative types are so giddy with excitement to claim it is... I mean, sure, there will be SOME talent lost that Apple would have preferred to keep, but people come and go, that's nothing unusual.

But aren't MOST of these people the very same ones that were directly involved in the borked original plans for the revamped SIRI?

Maybe Apple, not being an idiot, knows perfectly well who they wouldn't loose sleep over loosing, and by letting them leave, or even incentivizing them to leave, they don't have to pay or do anything for them in terms of severance.

This particular individual may not fit that mold, as they just promoted him a few weeks ago, but I suspect a fair number of these recent departures are the very same individuals who weren't pulling their weight anyway.

I may be extrapolating too far, sure, but this is so, so far from an "Apple is doomed!" situation. Even if it IS a speed bump, they're not a 50 employee startup that can't just be like, "Ok, crap, well, let's move on."

Edit: I mean, seriously... If Apple really wanted them to stay, if they were desperate to keep these people, you think they COULDN'T match and beat what Meta is paying them? If Meta can pay it, obviously Apple can pay it as well, and if Apple was desperate, they would pay it! But they have more intimate knowledge of how these employees have been performing.
 
But aren't MOST of these people the very same ones that were directly involved in the borked original plans for the revamped SIRI?

Maybe Apple, not being an idiot, knows perfectly well who they wouldn't loose sleep over loosing, and by letting them leave, or even incentivizing them to leave, they don't have to pay or do anything for them in terms of severance.

This particular individual may not fit that mold, as they just promoted him a few weeks ago, but I suspect a fair number of these recent departures are the very same individuals who weren't pulling their weight anyway.

So, I guess they should just fire everybody at Apple already on these teams since they were all "involved in the borked plans for the revamped Siri"?

If that's your conclusion on why none of this matters, Apple should clean house all at once and move on ASAP.
 
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So, I guess they should just fire everybody at Apple already on these teams since they were all "involved in the borked plans for the revamped Siri"?

If that's your conclusion on why none of this matters, Apple should clean house all at once and move on ASAP.
Taking a thought to the absolute extreme ("fire everybody") will make any thought sound stupid. And it isn't at all what I said.

And doing it a second time ("none of this matters") is just more of the same. I didn't say that. In fact, I said they probably HAVE lost some talent they wish they hadn't.

My point was that this is very unlikely to be as big of a deal as it will be portrayed here.
 
ChatGPT (OpenAI) is valued at 500 billion
Meta is worth almost 2 trillion

Neither is going to be purchased.

Perplexity which is valued at around 20 billion however is an intriguing proposition.
Cook barely wanted to spend $1 billion to buy Intel’s modem division, so don’t think Apple would pay $20 Billion for perplexity unless they significantly lowered the price.

Apple will be using Google Gemini as their AI LLM initially.

Apple is being sued for using copyrighted content in their LLM so we will see what Apple brings to the AI table in 2026.
 
Taking a thought to the absolute extreme ("fire everybody") will make any thought sound stupid. And it isn't at all what I said.

And doing it a second time ("none of this matters") is just more of the same. I didn't say that. In fact, I said they probably HAVE lost some talent they wish they hadn't.

My point was that this is very unlikely to be as big of a deal as it will be portrayed here.
Exactly this. It’s the height of insanity to believe an organization of Apple’s size can’t manage unexpected and key departures. It may impact timelines and output, but these people lead teams of people, all of whom will clamor to fill that opening internally.
 
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Every company has turnover even at leadership levels. You're just likely focused on Apple only.
Yes, it's possible that this deluge of news skews perception and limits the understanding of what's happening on a larger level.
Still in the past if there were constant exits on other units/projects there would have been a similar array of news.
 
It makes me think there must be some problem with management to have such a high turnover. Or they are too locked into some architecture or approach which is inferior. And the employees feel like it’s pointless to continue when the strategy is bad at the root. You need one person or a small group of people with a clear intelligent vision of the way forward….

But it sounds like they just keep flip-flopping around and don’t know what they’re doing.

I would also agree with another who said that Apple is moving too slow slowly on something like AI. Every time you turn around openAI has some new feature ready for the public! Specifically for AI it needs to be a fast and aggressive game.
It might be as simple as these reasons:

Take the highest paying job you can in a very expensive area of the world and pay off your mortgage, sort out your retirement and any college funds etc.

Apple will never pay you what meta et al will, as the their salaries are still pre the AI boom and they expect people to stay there ‘for the mission’ (so I have read).

Apple is seen as a backwater for AI and there’s no point being there.

If I’m right and if I were any one senior at Apple, I’d be very worried about the latter reason. And the second.
 
Exactly right. Some of the comments here are clearly misdirected. Siri has been around for 14 years now. That it is still so routinely useless and failure prone is a reflection of the priorities and corporate culture set by those at the top, especially the CEO. I know if I was given a task to fix long-standing issues but found I would not have the actual authority to fix it, I would start looking for another job. Responsibility without authority = scapegoat.
The thing I don’t understand, is that I read that the LLM’s that Apple has developed sometimes don’t get things right and they are worried about reputational risks if they deployed any of them.

If this is true, I would ask the senior executives to stop using their personal assistants and chief of staffs etc for a week and to instead use Siri.

They will find that it’s a miracle if current Siri does something correctly without making a ridiculous mistake.

And they might want to know that current Siri’s reputation is a punchline to a (frustrated) joke.
 
As with most Apple products, Siri was a small company that the corporation bought and then forgot about.
This is quite normal for Apple.

Step 1) Buy an innovative company.
Step 2) Promote the purchased product as own idea.
Step 3) Forget about the product and stop supporting it.

Perhaps MacRumors could publish an article about how many innovative products Apple has ruined with its "buy and forget" approach.
Beats online music service.

I never used it but apparently Apple thought it was terrible and built their own.

There is one problem. Apple Music was never any good.

It seems to have been stagnating now for years. Ok it does have auto mix this time round. But it seems curiously neglected, especially on the Mac.

Long gone are the days when it was a good local only music player on the iPhone.

In that regard it seems to have echoed the trajectory of iTunes, which started off as an incredible piece of software - which was a joy to use - and gradually had so much bolted onto it over the years, that by 10 or so years ago, became the app I hated to open.
 
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Apple needs to bite the bullet and just get xAI to do all its AI stuff. Politics aside, what they have done in 1/4 the time of Google and OpenAI is impressive.
 
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Maybe you should ask yourself what is Apple doing that we don't know about that Meta is willing to paying so much to steal their employees ...
Zuck is just a d**k is what.
He’s always hated Apple and got the money to buy off 2300+ acres in Hawaii. He’s doing both just because he could.

He’s like Gavin Belson but uglier with hideous haircuts.
 
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