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The important measurement in your BMI is the amount of fat. Someone who is athletic and has a lot of muscle may be obese on the BMI scale if you just take height/weight. So just looking at the chart 1977 Arnold Schwarzenegger would have been “obese”.

BMI is derived from height and weight. There is no other way to calculate BMI. While it’s true that there are some outliers at the fringes of BMI, for the vast majority of people it remains a useful health indicator.
 
No, it doesn't.

However, you can connect to thousands of participating hospitals or clinics (or Labcorp or Quest) to directly download and view your labs. Most Americans likely have data in either Labcorp or Quest and don't know it.
 
Not by date means the main interface. Tapping into any of the entries, like heart rate, or weight, or exercise still has options to organize by day, week, month, and year.

But I don’t want to hop around from one entry to the next. I want those entries on a single panel every day.
 
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...No one really cares that you don't use those features. And crap like your post just clogs up the thread for those of us who want to learn more. You've literally contributed nothing of value here.
So much aggression in your post.

Before posting, keep in mind that everyone has an opinion that is worth not less, but at least equal to what you just said. If I would react in the same emotional way now, we would never have the chance to know each other, and this is an anonymous Internet forum where it should always be welcome that there are people with different opinions, which is normally the majority reason why people visit them in the first place.

It's simply useless for me, since I don't need a tracking device that shows me my health. Humans have ways of identifying if they're in good health. If you're not able to do that then apparently you need these features. I definately do not. It's just my way of living and so it's just my opinion, since I can do just fine without 'em. You do not have to share the same opinion, and you made pretty clear you're on the other side of the wall.

Same for 80% of the other services that run on any phone in the background that collect information, I just do not need or like it, so I press the killswitch. More battery for me, less charging, it's a win-win.

Same reason I do not need an Apple watch, since I quit "watches" some years ago and never looked back. I know my time and I trust myself, why should I need a watch to tell me what to do?

PS: I am aware there's a percentage of people who have a serious illness that is not easily detectable - it's good there's a choice for everyone, isn't it?
 
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No longer by date? Can someone who uses the app regularly to track weight, exercise, etc comment on how that works in practice. It sounds like a terrible approach to not group things by date.

Second - have they fixed BMI being an entered statistic instead of derived one. Has anyone made an app that pulls your height from Health app and you weight and does the complicated number crunching Apple cannot figure out and gives it back to the health app?
I doubt it. BMI is a very outdated metric in many athletic contexts.
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BMI is derived from height and weight. There is no other way to calculate BMI. While it’s true that there are some outliers at the fringes of BMI, for the vast majority of people it remains a useful health indicator.
My wife’s a consultant anaesthetist. She just told me that BMI is a very, very rough guide and in an athletic context is close to irrelevant.
 
The important measurement in your BMI is the amount of fat. Someone who is athletic and has a lot of muscle may be obese on the BMI scale if you just take height/weight. So just looking at the chart 1977 Arnold Schwarzenegger would have been “obese”.
BMI is very useful as a quick gauge for the averagely built person. Most people are not built like Arnie, and I suspect those that are might already be aware of the fact.
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1. When Cycling the clock should stop when you stop. After something like 10 minutes the app asks if you want to pause. Then you say yes and then you forget to resume and the workout is only partially recorded. Just plain stupid. Has no software engineer at Apple ever taken a bike workout?
The Health & Activity thing is mainly used to record workouts that have been tracked by other apps, I believe.

I use Cyclemeter for cycling (I love that app!) and it has an auto-pause option amongst many others. Once the ride is complete it pushes the data it's recorded to Apple's H&A database.
 
So much aggression in your post.

Before posting, keep in mind that everyone has an opinion that is worth not less, but at least equal to what you just said. If I would react in the same emotional way now, we would never have the chance to know each other, and this is an anonymous Internet forum where it should always be welcome that there are people with different opinions, which is normally the majority reason why people visit them in the first place.

It's simply useless for me, since I don't need a tracking device that shows me my health. Humans have ways of identifying if they're in good health. If you're not able to do that then apparently you need these features. I definately do not. It's just my way of living and so it's just my opinion, since I can do just fine without 'em. You do not have to share the same opinion, and you made pretty clear you're on the other side of the wall.

Same for 80% of the other services that run on any phone in the background that collect information, I just do not need or like it, so I press the killswitch. More battery for me, less charging, it's a win-win.

Same reason I do not need an Apple watch, since I quit "watches" some years ago and never looked back. I know my time and I trust myself, why should I need a watch to tell me what to do?

PS: I am aware there's a percentage of people who have a serious illness that is not easily detectable - it's good there's a choice for everyone, isn't it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularo...st_because_you_have_an_opinion_doesnt_mean_i/
 
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I wonder what is in the nutrition area...

It's simply useless for me, since I don't need a tracking device that shows me my health. Humans have ways of identifying if they're in good health. If you're not able to do that then apparently you need these features.

My concern isn't whether someone needs an app like this to know if they are in good health or not, but whether the results of the app have much match-up with reality. It would be sad for people to think they are actually getting in better health because they 'closed the rings' as that would likely be misleading for most.

While it is important not to just be a couch potato (people need some exercise/activity), most of what I see being measured would be a pretty small pie-chart sliver in terms of health outcomes.

For most in America (and probably many other countries), the biggest health problem/indicator is going to be diet. There needs to be fundamental dietary changes made before the rest of the stuff is going to matter much.
 
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You must not be a woman who visits a gynecologist- because they want that information. Shall we just stick it on a wall calendar and drag the whole wall calendar into the appointment with us?

My phone cost me $350 brand new shipped from Apple, including shipping. Are you assuming everyone buys a $1000 phone? Because most of the Apple people I know have a 5s, 5, SE, or 7 - All $450 or less.
My wife is able to record, or is at least knowledgeable about, her cycle, and is able to intelligently discuss the issue with her doctor, all without the use of a smart phone.

Women have been able to do that for....I don't know....for forever?

Is it helpful or useful? Sure. Is it some type of revolutionary feature, or a "must have?" No.

I think OP's point was none of these health tracking things on a smart phone are truly "needed," and on that score, he was 100% correct.

As far as your friends and sub $400.00 smart phones, that's not a really viable Apple option, perhaps for much longer if not right now, as I believe you'll/they'll need more updated hardware to take advantage of iOS 13's period tracking.

Or they could just write it down or memorize it like women have been doing forever, as it's not really hard or complicated.
 
It's simply useless for me, since I don't need a tracking device that shows me my health. Humans have ways of identifying if they're in good health. If you're not able to do that then apparently you need these features. I definately do not. It's just my way of living and so it's just my opinion, since I can do just fine without 'em. You do not have to share the same opinion, and you made pretty clear you're on the other side of the wall.

You could've made this case in the original post.
 
Running the beta on an old 6s (not my everyday phone which is a x). So far I think the health and Activity changes are my favourite things from IOS 13.
However:
1 - I notice that the data which should be synced via iCloud does not seem to be (the data on my 6s is currently at least a week behind the data on my X). This is despite trying to get it to force sync a repeatedly.

2 - I really wish Apple would add a way to see your activity tracking on the web (as part of the iCloud apps) this would at least allow you to a) see that the backed up data is up to date and b) allow you to view it on an iPad etc
 
My wife is able to record, or is at least knowledgeable about, her cycle, and is able to intelligently discuss the issue with her doctor, all without the use of a smart phone.

Women have been able to do that for....I don't know....for forever?

Is it helpful or useful? Sure. Is it some type of revolutionary feature, or a "must have?" No.

I think OP's point was none of these health tracking things on a smart phone are truly "needed," and on that score, he was 100% correct.

As far as your friends and sub $400.00 smart phones, that's not a really viable Apple option, perhaps for much longer if not right now, as I believe you'll/they'll need more updated hardware to take advantage of iOS 13's period tracking.

Or they could just write it down or memorize it like women have been doing forever, as it's not really hard or complicated.

Do you hear yourself? I really don't think a man needs an opinion about this.
 
My wife is able to record, or is at least knowledgeable about, her cycle, and is able to intelligently discuss the issue with her doctor, all without the use of a smart phone.

Women have been able to do that for....I don't know....for forever?

Is it helpful or useful? Sure. Is it some type of revolutionary feature, or a "must have?" No.

I think OP's point was none of these health tracking things on a smart phone are truly "needed," and on that score, he was 100% correct.

As far as your friends and sub $400.00 smart phones, that's not a really viable Apple option, perhaps for much longer if not right now, as I believe you'll/they'll need more updated hardware to take advantage of iOS 13's period tracking.

Or they could just write it down or memorize it like women have been doing forever, as it's not really hard or complicated.

Why does it matter if it's a must-have or not? Most things in life are not a must-have, it doesn't mean people can't care about them.

And just because it's not revolutionary for your wife it doesn't mean it's not for some women. I don't want to get into my health details here, but having a digital app for my cycle helps me in ways that simply writing my cycle down can't, and Apple's cycle tracking feature is the best one of all the ones I tried.
 
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I personally can't fathom why anyone needs a $1000 phone to ride a bike, brush ones teeth, manage ones menstral cycle, manage their weight keep track of what they eat, etc. Come up folks...PUT DOWN YOUR PHONES AND LIVE YOUR LIFE!

BMI is just another number. No one needs to know their BMI to know if they have a weight related problem----Geez!

Maybe I'm unusual, but if there's something I "personally can't fathom," then I usually make an attempt to understand that or ask others for information. I don't post rants about it. If you're so stressed about others wanting or using it, then I suggest you PUT DOWN YOUR PHONES AND LIVE YOUR LIFE!
 
Maybe I'm unusual, but if there's something I "personally can't fathom," then I usually make an attempt to understand that or ask others for information. I don't post rants about it. If you're so stressed about others wanting or using it, then I suggest you PUT DOWN YOUR PHONES AND LIVE YOUR LIFE!

I know, right? The irony of someone telling others to "PUT DOWN YOUR PHONES AND LIVE YOUR LIFE!" arguing on a forum about what other people are doing instead of going to live their own life.
 
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BMI is very useful as a quick gauge for the averagely built person. Most people are not built like Arnie, and I suspect those that are might already be aware of the fact.
[doublepost=1566641500][/doublepost]The Health & Activity thing is mainly used to record workouts that have been tracked by other apps, I believe.

I use Cyclemeter for cycling (I love that app!) and it has an auto-pause option amongst many others. Once the ride is complete it pushes the data it's recorded to Apple's H&A database.
You are mistaken. Or at least you overlooked that I meant a workout recorded by the Apple Watch. Why should one has to use a special app for every sport? The watch app needs so much work. The competition (professional sport watches) is way ahead.
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I think they do a number of easy and complex things well. It doesn't make them 'dumb people' because something doesn't do exactly as you wish.
It may be doing a lot of things good. But if some things are just plain stupid than that is not because of my opinion but because of facts. Like for example GPS tracking of the watch is off by about 3%. That is a lot and too much. It‘s amateurish.
 
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The Health & Activity thing is mainly used to record workouts that have been tracked by other apps, I believe.

Yeah, basically. HealthKit and the Health and Activity apps mainly aggregate data.

But Apple does ship its own apps that input data, such as the Workouts app.
 
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You are mistaken. Or at least you overlooked that I meant a workout recorded by the Apple Watch.

But Apple does ship its own apps that input data, such as the Workouts app.
Ah I see. I don't have a Apple watch, so was referring to what was available on the phone. As the phone also has GPS, an altimeter, and a way of counting steps I don't see why it can't have whatever you watch owners have.

I guess that's a marketing decision. And I guess that's why I (have to) use dedicated apps.
 
You must not be a woman who visits a gynecologist- because they want that information. Shall we just stick it on a wall calendar and drag the whole wall calendar into the appointment with us?

My phone cost me $350 brand new shipped from Apple, including shipping. Are you assuming everyone buys a $1000 phone? Because most of the Apple people I know have a 5s, 5, SE, or 7 - All $450 or less.
Unless you’re trying to get pregnant, isn’t the question usually just “have you noticed any irregularities”? I can’t think of a single medical condition that requires a “to the exact date” level of specificity.
 
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