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Hell Warming Up?
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something this insignifigant is probably not newsworthy... it would not be reported on either way.
but you bring up the most important point here. this is a rumor, and a page 2 rumor at that. roll that one around for a while before you go sending hate mail to the district.
who the hell cares? seriously. i don't think they had the right to ask Apple to change it, unless of course apple.com is the start page, but clearly Apple themselves did... i actually expected Apple to take it down in a day or two anyway, it's not quite apple's style, but something they would do for big apple fans as a bit of fun. apple has gotten very casual lately but i don't think "hell froze over" is going to spend much time on the front page, school district be damned.
and phil is correct, "under god" was a psychological technique to help band americans together against a common enemy, while showing a more solid front to the enemy. the cold war is almost 20 years gone, it's about time for that little addition to be stricken. my beliefs are mine, not the government's, and in school they forced me to make an oath that i disagreed with. the only people that want it left in are the right-wing nuts that are afraid of losing ground in the christian takeover of america.
pnw
Originally posted by Gyroscope
I have heard that heaps of right wing radical christians live in your country! We dont have that here in Australia that much at all.
Here's to Australia, where zeolites, and radicals can rant and rave and no on cares.
Mark Edwards is the Superintendent of Henrico County Public Schoools. He's actually a pretty cool guy (I've met him before because I used to go to school in Henrico). Anyways, the deal is they've got this revolutionary new program where all kids grades 6-12 get an iBook and have this whole integrated classroom thing (it's really big for Apple), and while I don't think that Apple should've removed the "hell freezing over" reference (cause I thought it was funny as hell), I can see how the superintendant (or whoever in the administration) might have been nervous about the reference with all the conservative parents in his school district (esp, with 6th graders reading it). Not that I would complain if I had a 6th grade child, but I can sorta see where they're coming from. Just my 2 cents. btw, the homepage for henrico county public schools is http://www.henrico.k12.va.us
Right is might in Australia
Well there is a minister called George Pell who jumps up and down when Marilyn Manson comes to town. I do not know about other states but here in QLD the transport minister spends half his day taking down billboards with raunchy content.
Oh, and our prime minister is a right wing ****** who is stuck in some idealised version of the past.
Originally posted by Gyroscope
I have heard that heaps of right wing radical christians live in your country! We dont have that here in Australia that much at all.
Well there is a minister called George Pell who jumps up and down when Marilyn Manson comes to town. I do not know about other states but here in QLD the transport minister spends half his day taking down billboards with raunchy content.
Oh, and our prime minister is a right wing ****** who is stuck in some idealised version of the past.
Keepin it real
HAHAHAHAHAHA, NIICE, HAHAHAHA, I LOVE THAT
What I'm not to thirilled about though is how society tries to "protect" children from "the truth", candy-coating everything. Sooner or later, they'll be exposed to reality. Just look at TV, plenty of violence on there. What about cartoons?? Whatever, i could give two flying pieces of rat sh*t.
That picture is priceless, HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA, NIICE, HAHAHAHA, I LOVE THAT
What I'm not to thirilled about though is how society tries to "protect" children from "the truth", candy-coating everything. Sooner or later, they'll be exposed to reality. Just look at TV, plenty of violence on there. What about cartoons?? Whatever, i could give two flying pieces of rat sh*t.
That picture is priceless, HAHAHAHAHAHA
Re: Keepin it real
I hear what your saying, My generation grew up on Transformers, Ninja Tutles, now though it's all Pokemon and Spunge Bob where there are morrals to the cartoons.
I hear what your saying, My generation grew up on Transformers, Ninja Tutles, now though it's all Pokemon and Spunge Bob where there are morrals to the cartoons.
I really don't understand why some parents are so protective. Oh, and about the Under God thing, I've been thinking about this topic for a couple months, like others said, some disagree and find it uncomfortable. Like me.
PS: The macintosh community is where I have found most of the atheists and such I've met, is there some reason to this? Or have I just not been out much.
PS: The macintosh community is where I have found most of the atheists and such I've met, is there some reason to this? Or have I just not been out much.
You just haven't been out much.
Actually, Mac users are by average, smarter and better educated, as are nonbelievers, so it might match.
BTW, I'm very atheist.
Originally posted by Gyroscope
I have heard that heaps of right wing radical christians live in your country! We dont have that here in Australia that much at all.
Our airwaves are filled with fundamentalist nut-cases of every ilk. The problem isn't that in itself, the real issue is that the neo-cons running our crappy government are aligning themselves with them; slowly but surely removing our secular moniker. Then, sir, we're hosed. I guess it's concievable that my daughters daughters son will one day march into Beijing carrying an M-16 and a cross. Oh how proud I'll be.
EARTH TO THE AGENDA PUSHERS
I wish the hair trigger idiots on this board would get a frickin clue.
First of all, 'Hell froze over.' was bound to be a temporary attention-grabbing catch phrase for the introduction of iTunes for Windows.
Secondly, the bigger issue here has been politely mentioned by a more intelligent board member here...this being the fact that a good bit of CONTENT FILTERING SOFTWARE installed on public computers and educational computers would block access to apple.com. This is NOT a good thing for Apple, and would therefore need to be changed quickly. It HAS been changed quickly. They made their statement, and now its a functional 'iTunes for Windows' advertisement.
Get over yourselves.
I wish the hair trigger idiots on this board would get a frickin clue.
First of all, 'Hell froze over.' was bound to be a temporary attention-grabbing catch phrase for the introduction of iTunes for Windows.
Secondly, the bigger issue here has been politely mentioned by a more intelligent board member here...this being the fact that a good bit of CONTENT FILTERING SOFTWARE installed on public computers and educational computers would block access to apple.com. This is NOT a good thing for Apple, and would therefore need to be changed quickly. It HAS been changed quickly. They made their statement, and now its a functional 'iTunes for Windows' advertisement.
Get over yourselves.
If you look at the average Mac user, they are as a whole better educated and on average make $80K a year. I read that somewhere and I am now desperately searching for it so I can share it with this forum. Nonbelievers I do not have the same information for, however atheists tend to be better educated as a whole group compared to religious fanatics who are always searching for a hope, my knowledge on that comes from a thesis I wrote back several years ago. Members of Mensa are split on religion and won't disrespect another's belief, these people as a group have the highest IQ's in the world yet understand and can comprehend life. I won't say I am atheist, my beliefs are exactly that, my beliefs. I don't look down on the bible thumpers out there, nor the muslims, the Jew's or Mormon's.
The reason I bring this all up is for, which applies to those of us in the US, is that we a free from a Government that controls religion, speech, and basic human rights however every day some religious group is applying pressure here or there against my rights. The only religions people I look at with true admiralty and respect is the Tibetan Monks, they have what most people want in life, inner peace.
Tomorrow I am going to make it a point to say hell, a word that I don't use often, but I am going to say it just to raise hell. If I offend anyone, I am sorry, I am offended about this whole topic. It will take hell to freeze over or for man kind to die out before this world can enjoy unity!
I agree completely with Apple's decision to remove the h-e-double-hockey-sticks word from their site and applaud the courage of the right-wing ******s who forced them to do it. I myself have been campaigning for years to have that very word removed from that impure book called "The Bible". Any kid can pick that book up and see hundreds of references to it! Maybe we should just rename the Bible "iBook" m-fers.
Re: Hell warming up is not the issue here...
We can tell that at least one professor has a way to make his essays more enjoyable to grade!
We can tell that at least one professor has a way to make his essays more enjoyable to grade!
Please dont put such sweeping, made up comments in a thread like this, you are only inviting flaming. There has never been a study to show Mac users are more intelligent than PC users, or atheists being more intelligent than religious types. (even if there had, the survey would have to take into account the whole world to be acurate). If anything, you have proved the reverse with your sweeping statement.
If anything Mac users might be dumber than PC users, since Macs are easier to use and so require less brain power.
Hell will freeze over
Another example of religion causing problems...
I cannot believe they told Apple to take it off. Why can people not say 'Hell'? Afterall , believers in Christ, some will be going there! It freezing over is amusing as those people wont get burnt!
Another example of religion causing problems...
I cannot believe they told Apple to take it off. Why can people not say 'Hell'? Afterall , believers in Christ, some will be going there! It freezing over is amusing as those people wont get burnt!
There seems to be more speculation instead of fact in this thread. I'll come clean, I'm the one who submitted this news, and yes, it is news, it's true.
Now, here is the history of the event. Henrico bought over 23,000 iBooks in 2001 for use by the high school and middle school students. They already have many iMacs and other older macs laying around that have Apple.com as thier main home page. Now, when Thursday came around, Henrico was having some problems with the 'Hell Froze Over' phrase. Not that it says Hell, but more that parents would come around complaining about the phrase, so they then blocked the URL, which registers a 404 error to the user, while the page is really there. Now, this happened mid day Friday. Apple changed it on Monday and the page was un-blocked. I agree that the phrase was hilarious, but in terms of 6 year olds running around saying 'hell', I'm not a huge fan of that.
Now, here is the history of the event. Henrico bought over 23,000 iBooks in 2001 for use by the high school and middle school students. They already have many iMacs and other older macs laying around that have Apple.com as thier main home page. Now, when Thursday came around, Henrico was having some problems with the 'Hell Froze Over' phrase. Not that it says Hell, but more that parents would come around complaining about the phrase, so they then blocked the URL, which registers a 404 error to the user, while the page is really there. Now, this happened mid day Friday. Apple changed it on Monday and the page was un-blocked. I agree that the phrase was hilarious, but in terms of 6 year olds running around saying 'hell', I'm not a huge fan of that.
Oh, come on. They are clearly marked "Explicit" and it is not Apple's job to screen explicit music from kids. That is , and always has been, the parents' job.
My Favorite Hell Quote...
USO Performer (complaining about her sprained ankle): "It hurts like heck."
Hawkeye Pierce: "You can say 'hell' here - this is Korea. If you can't say 'hell' in hell, where in hell can you say it?"
USO Performer (complaining about her sprained ankle): "It hurts like heck."
Hawkeye Pierce: "You can say 'hell' here - this is Korea. If you can't say 'hell' in hell, where in hell can you say it?"
Apple is actually really sensitive to concerns like these (odd that it's so PC! . In fact, in early builds of Copland, the smiley Mac winked, but was removed after a bug was logged saying it might be offensive to some cultures!
. In fact, in early builds of Copland, the smiley Mac winked, but was removed after a bug was logged saying it might be offensive to some cultures!well c'mon now... lets be real about this....
I also thought the reference was extremely funny. I am a relatively conservative christian with a few pseudo hippy liberal beliefs
All the backlash about someone asking to have it removed ( also, a rumor...) seems a little bit anti free speech- I dont think anyone threatened to sue ( or if they did, we have no evidence of that) -- I mean, the second side of the free speech coin is that someone has the right to ask for something to be removed that offends them, or makes them uncomfortable- Apple didnt seem to have a big issue with it so stop getting your panties in a twist girls.....
as always, my 2 cents.....
I also thought the reference was extremely funny. I am a relatively conservative christian with a few pseudo hippy liberal beliefs
All the backlash about someone asking to have it removed ( also, a rumor...) seems a little bit anti free speech- I dont think anyone threatened to sue ( or if they did, we have no evidence of that) -- I mean, the second side of the free speech coin is that someone has the right to ask for something to be removed that offends them, or makes them uncomfortable- Apple didnt seem to have a big issue with it so stop getting your panties in a twist girls.....
as always, my 2 cents.....