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You say that you want practical reasons, yet you have visited this forum and others every hour :) So admit, you are lusting for a Mac and you are asking those of us who have already satisfied that lust to give you mundane, "pragmatic" economically sound advice?

I was a Microsoft person for 27 years and bought a Vista powered laptop last September for $900.00. In September 2007 when the new Aluminum iMacs came out, I sold the laptop and bought the iMac. All told with tax, extra ram, AppleCare and iWork, I paid $1800.00 and I'm very glad I did. I too don't really do multimedia, but having the Mac is giving me the desire to learn.

So, explore your adventerous fun side and get a Mac.
 
Are we still using iLife as value added?

I haven't opened any of the applications in months now. It's kinda silly to expect everyone to use iLife at 100%.

Just to put my 2 penneth in here...

I love iPhoto for quick edits - yeah there is photoshop / lightroom/ aperture.. but for quick and easy, integration with .Mac Gallery, iWeb and the rest of iLife, iMovie, I love it... It is a no brainer suite of applications.. Once I get hungry for more, maybe I would start looking at the pro apps.. but when I get bored, or want to knock something quickly together, iLife it is for me...
 
i used windows for years and bought my first mac in april and have hardly touched my pc. i used to roll my eyes at my mac friends when they would proclaim the mac greatness but i can see where they are coming from now. i love that everything is so streamlined and smooth running. it seems like windows is such a hassle now that i have been using my mac. less check boxes, warning windows, mysterious updates, sluggish response, etc.

with the ability to run windows anyway, there's no reason not to get a mac
 
Are we still using iLife as value added?

I haven't opened any of the applications in months now. It's kinda silly to expect everyone to use iLife at 100%.

The same can be said for any feature you choose. Like The ExpressCard slot. I can't imagine that MOST M1330 users would ever have anything to stick in there... So why count it as value add?

For some it might be a necessary feature, but unlike many other features it's one you can't simply pass on.

Note also that I didn't go Vista Business to compensate for some of the missing features of Vista Home. As it stands, OS X will integrate better into an AD network than Vista Home. http://www.apple.com/itpro/articles/adintegration/

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Hey. I was once in your position, my arrogant roomate had a mac and I really disliked him, and disliked macs. However, there were somethings I noticed about his computer that i really liked

1. Looks
2. Looks
3. Looks

Suffice it to say, that i always percived OS X to be a dying platform and microsoft to be incredibly innovative.

However, after using tiger I quickly came to realize the real reason for switching

1. Spotlight, yes this is my #1
2. Expose
3. Spaces
4. Viruses--- none
5. Looks
6. The mac community
7. iDVD and keynote--- i can't speak for the rest of ilife.
 
By the time I upped the CPU to 2 GHz, added 802.11n, Bluetooth, Photoshop/Premiere Elements (iPhoto/iMovie) I end up with $1499 for an M1330 similar to the mid range $1299 MacBook.

So is the Dell $200 better. Sure, I'll give the GPU and card reader + expresscard slots that much. BUT IT'S $200 MORE.

Basically you can't get an M1330 for cheaper than the cheapest MacBook and you still can't beat the performance of the BlackBook for the same price...

It's lighter. Better connected. More robust. And check the specs. Also, Dell aren't beholden not to eclipse a higher-spec, less aggressively priced machine. Right now it's just flat-out a better machine - but yes, we'll see what the new Macbooks bring if they are released soon. It's just rather pointless comparing stuff to things that might be released - which is why I buy what's available now and you get my take on it. Unlike most I don't have to go to a Dell / Sony / Apple / etc web build to cook up hypothetical and misguided comparisons - I can pick up a machine that I actually own. The M1330 is easily (and well beyond) $200 better than the Macbook.

However the OS choice is what dictates the hardware. That's up to the OP... and I guess his/her understanding as to the current state of Vista on a good out-of-box performer like the M1330(excellent).
 
what is the real benefit for me to get a (lets say, new macbook, assuming the next ones come out soon) Macbook, being that they are so much more expensive then regular windows laptop?
Where did you get the idea that they were "so much more expensive?" If you compare laptops of similar speed, size, and weight, you'll find that the macbooks and macbook pros are very well priced. Sure, you won't find bargain basement $300 models, but those aren't the best computers anyways.
Heres some background on me. I don't really do any graphic work, and I don't really care about mobile gaming. I am using this mostly for school, and portable entertainment.
The macbook would be perfect for what you described.
Please withhold the fanboyism here, I am looking for good reasons/good things I can do that I should go with an apple laptop, over the windows. Like, real reasons. Thanks guys, i'm just trying to justify my wanting for a macbook.
Well you did come to a Mac site ;)
Anyhow, the best justification I can provide for you is simplicity. I haven't had any issues with my Mac so far, and in many ways, the experience is just "more fun." I don't know how to describe OS X in any other way than that, sorry. :eek:
As far as pricing, specwise, they are more expensive then their windows counterparts. I'm not taking windows side here at all, i'm just trying to get some positive reasons why people like their macs so much.

Again, they're not more expensive. The middle macbook is an especially good value (and it will be even better after the soon-to-come update). Since you're a student, remember that if you buy over the summer, you get a free nano (and all year round, Apple has that free printer deal as well).

Again, I love my Mac because it's just easier and better to use. I can't describe it in any tangible way. I think the best way to find out is to go to a retail store that carries Macs (Apple Stores are best for this) and see for yourself.
 
However the OS choice is what dictates the hardware. That's up to the OP...
We agree there, and that's what it's all about. As I pointed out earlier buying a Mac is currently the only legal way to get OS X.

For me, when you start to compare apples to apples you find the real price differential is not large. Especially when you buy a Mac soon after a refresh.

You can definitely buy a random PC significantly cheaper, but by the time you find a machine that really takes Apple's offerings on head-on, you often pay MORE for the non-Mac. (As was the case when the Mac Pro first came out).

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We agree there, and that's what it's all about. As I pointed out earlier buying a Mac is currently the only legal way to get OS X.

For me, when you start to compare apples to apples you find the real price differential is not large. Especially when you buy a Mac soon after a refresh.

You can definitely buy a random PC significantly cheaper, but by the time you find a machine that really takes Apple's offerings on head-on, you often pay MORE for the non-Mac. (As was the case when the Mac Pro first came out).

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The Pro was the only aberration to date (and the price comparison didn't include key considerations regarding the difference in the offerings in services for example and how that related to a professional environment) and it's crowed over by all the fanboys. It's not the norm.

Prices are reasonably aggressive these days, there's no doubt about that - but it's also erroneous to assume that it's hard to take Apple's offering head-on (or beat it) in anything other than style. And even that is open to interpretation; Apple's purity of line is not for everyone. While I like Apple's styling and find the fewest compromises in form on their offerings, in comparison with other leading machines I find more of a compromise in terms of function. If style is all that's important to you, I guess the choice of Mac hardware is - indeed - a no-brainer. If your choices include other considerations, it is worth looking around.
 
So, here's a simple suggestion: Use iTunes (on Windows) for a while. If you don't like how iTunes works, you will be disappointed in a Mac, but if it "clicks" with you you'll enjoy a Mac experience.

Duh. I don't really like iTunes (though that may be because I've been managing my media library as a directory tree in MythTV for too long), but I still love MacOS anyway.

My main two reasons to buy a MB(P) :
- it's slick (hardware and software both!)
- you can run Windows on it anyway, either natively if you need performance, or in a virtual machine for optimal comfort

As a non-Mac user, I wanted a gaming laptop, and hesitated for 7-8 months between building my own Alienware/Dell/whatever configuration and going for a MBP. I ended up buying the latest SR MBP, which was noticeably more expensive than a similar config for a Dell laptop (IIRC, the MBP was like $400 more), and I have never regretted a single dollar! A slick and slim case, a robust OS with plenty eyecandy, and the ability to reboot into Windows whenever I want to play ... yum!
 
I don't have the make the compromise, and these days I no longer bother running Parallels or BC on my Macs as I can walk a few paces to a much better Windows machine for whatever I might want to do (bar the apps I run on the Macs) but for those who do I guess it's not a bad compromise as such. But it is nevertheless a compromise and that may not be right for everyone.

Ultimately an OS is an OS - and it's what runs on it, and the hardware it runs on, that's the real decision. Nerding out over the features of the OS, especially when Vista / OS X are ultimately pretty similar seems rather pointless to me. For me, given the choice of what runs on an OS and what the OS runs on, Windows all the way for general purpose use. My XServes, Pros, iMac and Macbook Pros however serve a very important task, and that's not running OS X - it's running the app that runs under OS X. And since I don't get a hardware choice unlike Windows, those machines are what I use whether I like them or not.
 
I just switched from an HP notebook to a MacBook Pro and here are some things I love:

The only thing I miss about my PC is that my cheapo HP Laserjet 1018 worked with it. There aren't drivers for OS X... which makes me really sad. So, if you have a printer you really love (more than you think you'd love a Mac) check to see if it will work with OS X.

Read this post. I got mine working.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/247610/
 
why doesnt the os x have viruses? i dont get it.. why dont people make viruses for apple? is it because you "cant"?
 
Well, here's comparing a MBP to a similarly specced Dell XPS 1530.

15" MBP $2499
2.5ghz intel core 2 duo
high res LED widescreen with webcam
2gb 667 ddr2 ram
250gb sata 5400rpm
superdrive 8x
nVidia geforce 8600gt 512 mb
wireless N
bluetooth capable
touchpad gestures, backlit keyboard
5.5 lbs


15" dell xps 1530 $1,678
2.5ghz intel core 2 duo
high res LED widescreen with webcam
3GB 667 ddr2 ram
250GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive
Slot Load DVD+/-RW (DVD/CD read/write)
256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT
Wireless-N
bluetooth capable
Finger Print Reader XPS M1530
5.9 lbs

The XPS is $821 cheaper. So why would anyone want the MBP when they know that they can get a computer that's just as powerful for $821 less? (Note: I don't own either

Well, for me, I'd buy the MBP because...
1.) Design
It's slightly lighter, and I really like the minimalist style of the laptop. It's very slick, and I prefer it to the XPS. I also like the idea that all the hardware components are chosen by Apple and are known to work well together.


2.) Applecare
Just go google up "is applecare worth it" and you'll find several forum topics and stories of how Apple takes care of their customers. Generally, if a part is wrong with your laptop, from what I've read, Apple will replace it no questions asked. That's pretty awesome.


3.) The OS and Software
One of the best things about MacOS is the lack of proprietary bloatware vendors put on in order to raise revenues and reduce unit costs for the consumer. You don't need to delete things or go into services.msc to change programs' startup options to make sure things don't slow down your boot time.

The good part about OSX is that it is very good with multitasking and handling multiple applications. Just for kicks, a friend of mine tried opening up as many apps as possible in an attempt to crash his black Macbook. He opened up Adobe Bridge, Photoshop, Indesign, Illustrator, After Effects, Itunes, Quicktime, and Warcraft 3 all at once and tried switching between apps. The system worked really really slowly, but it did not crash.

But like any other computer, yes, it does crash at times, but working with it is still very enjoyable because of the intuitive interface. For example, hitting the "+" button on a window makes it just big enough so that it show the entire contents without taking up your entire screen. This allows for a lot of tasks to be accomplished with just drag and drop.
It took me some getting used to the idea that windows don't maximize to fill the screen, but I've found that it's quite nice to be able to access the desktop and still see what I've been working on.

Another thing that I found really cool was that OSX is able to access over 3gb ram and at the same time run 32bit apps. In order for Windows to recognize over 3gb of ram you need a 64bit-edition, and there's plenty of compatibility issues with 64-bit OS's.



I have worked primarily with Windows and have not run into many major problems with it. Personally, I think Windows is a great operating system. Overall though, when buying a laptop, I'd spend the extra $800 to have a system that's not only lighter and more elegant in my eyes(I'm really big on aesthetics :p), but gave me a better experience.
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To the OP:
For your needs though, seeing as you're a student looking only for mobile entertainment, a Macbook can still fit the bill for only about $1000. Similarly specced laptops would run about $500. For an extra $500 you can have all of those things I mentioned above. A lot of $500 laptops in my experience though don't last you very long have tons of bloatware. The hardware also tends to fail often.

Apple laptops are also very trendy in colleges. They're popular because they look nice and are well advertised. Same idea with the iPods.

In every category of computing (student that doesn't demand high multimedia power, professional graphics work.. etc etc), I see Apple as the high end brand. So for college and whatnot, I'd personally buy the best laptop money could get me and see it as a worthwhile investment. You can do word processing, watch movies, manage your music, use IM, check out Facebook and everything else all in a Macbook that's really nice to carry. In the end though, it's all up to you.


Hope this really long post helps somewhat. Hope this post gives you something new to consider.

Edit: after relooking at what I wrote I realize I probably should have compared a regular 13" Macbook to a Dell M1330; the price difference is smaller and you might be even more justified in choosing Apple over Dell. Oh well. Too lazy to change it now. You get the idea with the price difference idea though.
 
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