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So without any evidence you automatically believe some guy on the internet?

No, but I don't call him a control freak either, which you implicitly did. Still, I believe him. If he were a control freak, he'd have hired a PI or followed her by himself anyway.



On-topic: Follow MacDawg's advice. If you discover that she really is cheating on you, the relationship is over.
 
if you suspect it, hire a private detective. well worth it. my wife is a divorce lawyer and sees way too many people try it themselves and just waste time, create anxiety, more stress between the two parties. if she's banging someone, you'll find out within 7-10 days with the right sleuth on the case.

You can do it yourself, and be quite successful at it.

You need to talk to her, buddy. I think rummaging through her private stuff is effed, personally.

If you can't even talk to her about this than you shouldn't be married. Seriously, there's definitely problems in your marriage because A) you suspect she's cheating on you (not being able to trust each other is very harmful for a marriage) and B) you can't even talk to her about it.

Successful relationships are built around open and honest communication.

Violating her privacy and personal space will yield information, thoughts and images in your mind you will never be able to forget or purge, regardless of what you find. This course of action leads to ruin regardless. If you find she is cheating, you will lose your relationship. If she finds you are snooping, you will lose your relationship.

Spying is the action of someone looking to end a relationship, not save it.

After reading your post, I'd probably sympathize with you wife, to be honest.

I don't know whether any of you have been in the OP's position, but in any event, my experience says that the stones you're casting in his direction are unwarranted.

I have been in the OP's position. I do know how it feels to suspect a cheating spouse, and I know exactly what it does to you inside.

It gnaws at you, and it doesn't stop; it eats away at your mind 24/7, both because you're wondering and because you're hurting at the thought. It's easy for you to come in and say "Just talk to her," but I'm sure the OP will agree with me that talking, at this point, will not help. Here's why: if he suspects her as strongly as he seems to, then she's already cheating on him. Talking to her about it won't get him anywhere; she's going to deny it, he won't believe her, and he won't feel any better about things; if anything, the only end result is that she'll start being more diligent about covering her tracks.

Rummaging through her stuff is "effed," is it, dmr727? It's a lot less effed than cheating. Trust me on this. Chances are good when he finds what he's looking for, he's going to go to her with it and get it out in the open. If he doesn't do this, then the alternative is to wait for her to come clean with it - and he'll be waiting forever for that to happen, all the while living life in misery because he can't put it to bed. I'm all for respecting each other's personal space, as long as you're both respecting each other. This guy needs closure; I don't mean he wants closure, he needs it. If you haven't been there, you don't know.

willbro, you're absolutely right - there is a problem in his marriage, and talking isn't going to fix it at this point. This isn't about talking out what's wrong in their marriage; this is about him being able to finally put an end to the sleepless nights, the unproductive days, all the wondering about just what the hell is happening. He didn't start a thread that says, "I suspect my spouse of cheating, should I talk to her about it?" - he wants help getting confirmation. Once you reach that point, you already know that talking isn't going to be productive; it's just going to turn into either lies, shouting, or both.

MacDawg, you hit the nail on the head. He knows she's cheating. Trust me on this - once you suspect someone to the level that the OP does, it's pretty much a given; now he just needs to "pull the Band-Aid off quickly" and find out what he needs to know so that he can move on. You ever see one of those interviews of a parent whose child has been missing for years, and they just want to know where the child's body has been dumped, so that they can have closure? It's a bit like that, not taken to that extreme - that tug, that aching feeling of not knowing will never go away until you do know.

And Abstract, you don't go into any detail as to why you're vilifying the OP, so I won't hazard a guess; but IMO there's not a damn thing wrong with what he wants.

I would urge everyone who's never been in those shoes to step back and think about it - even then, I don't expect you to "get" it. I do because it's happened to me. I suspected my first wife was cheating - I say "suspected" because I didn't have proof; the reality was that I was absolutely certain of it. Once I got my proof, my heart sank, and I cried. The next day, for the first time in months, I was perfectly fine; I was finally able to make peace with it and accept what was happening, and act accordingly. I have absolutely no regrets over doing what I did; in fact, it surely saved me even more grief, worry, and depression.
 
Rummaging through her stuff is "effed," is it, dmr727? It's a lot less effed than cheating. Trust me on this.

I believe you. But I'm not so sure two wrongs make a right. If he knows she's cheating, then why is it necessary to spy on her? The damage is already done, and I'd think reading e-mails and so on would just create additional heartache.

But you're right, I haven't been there.
 
I don't know whether any of you have been in the OP's position, but in any event, my experience says that the stones you're casting in his direction are unwarranted.

I have been in the OP's position. I do know how it feels to suspect a cheating spouse, and I know exactly what it does to you inside.

It gnaws at you, and it doesn't stop; it eats away at your mind 24/7, both because you're wondering and because you're hurting at the thought. It's easy for you to come in and say "Just talk to her," but I'm sure the OP will agree with me that talking, at this point, will not help. Here's why: if he suspects her as strongly as he seems to, then she's already cheating on him. Talking to her about it won't get him anywhere; she's going to deny it, he won't believe her, and he won't feel any better about things; if anything, the only end result is that she'll start being more diligent about covering her tracks.

Rummaging through her stuff is "effed," is it, dmr727? It's a lot less effed than cheating. Trust me on this. Chances are good when he finds what he's looking for, he's going to go to her with it and get it out in the open. If he doesn't do this, then the alternative is to wait for her to come clean with it - and he'll be waiting forever for that to happen, all the while living life in misery because he can't put it to bed. I'm all for respecting each other's personal space, as long as you're both respecting each other. This guy needs closure; I don't mean he wants closure, he needs it. If you haven't been there, you don't know.

willbro, you're absolutely right - there is a problem in his marriage, and talking isn't going to fix it at this point. This isn't about talking out what's wrong in their marriage; this is about him being able to finally put an end to the sleepless nights, the unproductive days, all the wondering about just what the hell is happening. He didn't start a thread that says, "I suspect my spouse of cheating, should I talk to her about it?" - he wants help getting confirmation. Once you reach that point, you already know that talking isn't going to be productive; it's just going to turn into either lies, shouting, or both.

MacDawg, you hit the nail on the head. He knows she's cheating. Trust me on this - once you suspect someone to the level that the OP does, it's pretty much a given; now he just needs to "pull the Band-Aid off quickly" and find out what he needs to know so that he can move on. You ever see one of those interviews of a parent whose child has been missing for years, and they just want to know where the child's body has been dumped, so that they can have closure? It's a bit like that, not taken to that extreme - that tug, that aching feeling of not knowing will never go away until you do know.

And Abstract, you don't go into any detail as to why you're vilifying the OP, so I won't hazard a guess; but IMO there's not a damn thing wrong with what he wants.

I would urge everyone who's never been in those shoes to step back and think about it - even then, I don't expect you to "get" it. I do because it's happened to me. I suspected my first wife was cheating - I say "suspected" because I didn't have proof; the reality was that I was absolutely certain of it. Once I got my proof, my heart sank, and I cried. The next day, for the first time in months, I was perfectly fine; I was finally able to make peace with it and accept what was happening, and act accordingly. I have absolutely no regrets over doing what I did; in fact, it surely saved me even more grief, worry, and depression.

The issue is we have nothing to go by. From the way the OP wrote his post, it sounds like he is a control freak( oh no! She is using a PC and surfing the web!). That is why I ask for a bit more detail. Where is she going? Is she on going on dating sites? What is tipping him off that makes him suspect she is cheating? The whole she is going on the PC and surfing the web is not a whole lot to go off on. If that is all she is doing, that sounds like he is a control freak or at least untrusting.
 
I'd think reading e-mails and so on would just create additional heartache.

It does, for about a day. Once your fears are confirmed, the healing begins. Without that, the healing doesn't begin.

The issue is we have nothing to go by. From the way the OP wrote his post, it sounds like he is a control freak( oh no! She is using a PC and surfing the web!)

From the way he wrote the title of the thread, it sounds like he already knows she's cheating, and wants help getting proof.

That is why I ask for a bit more detail. Where is she going? Is she on going on dating sites? What is tipping him off that makes him suspect she is cheating? The whole she is going on the PC and surfing the web is not a whole lot to go off on. If that is all she is doing, that sounds like he is a control freak or at least untrusting.

Cheating spouses don't leave a lot of telltale signs that are obvious to outsiders; you usually tell by the way they don't look at you the same way anymore, they stop doing the little things they used to do for you, the tone of their voice when they talk to you changes, etc. It's nothing that would come out in a post on a web forum.

Judging from what I've read, the guy already knows what's up, and just wants proof. That's not about being a control freak, IMO; that's just trying to preserve his sanity.
 
From the way he wrote the title of the thread, it sounds like he already knows she's cheating, and wants help getting proof.



Cheating spouses don't leave a lot of telltale signs that are obvious to outsiders; you usually tell by the way they don't look at you the same way anymore, they stop doing the little things they used to do for you, the tone of their voice when they talk to you changes, etc. It's nothing that would come out in a post on a web forum.

Judging from what I've read, the guy already knows what's up, and just wants proof. That's not about being a control freak, IMO; that's just trying to preserve his sanity.

Ah... I read it as the evidence he is using to suspect she is cheating. Which would go into the category of control freak or untrusting. This is why details are your friend.
 
Tomorrow, I certainly respect your insight and thoughts on this. What you went through is a very difficult and life-altering event. However, your experience is not every experience. I have known marriages which have been restored from cheating as well. There is no cookie cutter approach.

The truth is, the OP has not returned and given any additional insight unless I have missed it. We are free to speculate and build straw men to throw down, but apart from first hand knowledge, none of us really know what is going on.

I stand by what I said. The OP needs to decide if he wants to end the relationship or fight for it. If he wants to end it, then so be it. If he wants to fight for it, then spying is not the answer, IMHO.
 
I believe you. But I'm not so sure two wrongs make a right. If he knows she's cheating, then why is it necessary to spy on her? The damage is already done, and I'd think reading e-mails and so on would just create additional heartache.

But you're right, I haven't been there.

I might like to add that snooping will only lead to more problems in the long run.

If she is not cheating the trust is completely destroyed. If she is cheating then all that snooping will backfire during the divorce proceeding because they can throw that back at you. This means that she gets more out of the divorce. Normally in cheating you can take a fair amount of the money.

Also I would say if you divorce her turn around and sue the guy she cheated with for breaking up the marriage. Might as well screw them over as much as possible.
 
Also I would say if you divorce her turn around and sue the guy she cheated with for breaking up the marriage. Might as well screw them over as much as possible.

Who says he was the reason the marriage broke up?
The husband could have been the reason... selfish, abusive, inattentive, you name it. The cheating could be a result of a failed marriage, not the cause of it.
 
Without knowing at all whether she is or isn't, I think he should confront her about his concerns. If he spies on her and she finds out, she may feel justified in sneaking around behind his back. In fact, if she hasn't cheated already then the accusation and his spying will be especially hurtful.

If he confronts her about it, he'll have taken the high road. He'll have been the one who voiced concern and wanted to resolve the issue. He'll have been the one who was being honest. It's possible that she will be relieved that it's out in the open. Or maybe she's been faithful and she'll have a reasonable explanation for his suspicions.

All of these scenarios have happened before. A lot of people have mistakenly accused their spouses of cheating. And a lot of people have cheated without being discovered. He could investigate if he still suspects after she's denied it, but before that he's creating more mistrust. And it's the mistrust that would sink a marriage faster than anything else.
 
Who says he was the reason the marriage broke up?
The husband could have been the reason... selfish, abusive, inattentive, you name it. The cheating could be a result of a failed marriage, not the cause of it.

true I was just thinking about random story I heard on the radio 10 years or so ago drive to HS.

It was about people suing their spouses cheaters and winning. One of them was the guy sueing the man his former wife cheated with (and later married) and winning a fair amount of money.
 
Without knowing at all whether she is or isn't, I think he should confront her about his concerns. If he spies on her and she finds out, she may feel justified in sneaking around behind his back. In fact, if she hasn't cheated already then the accusation and his spying will be especially hurtful.

If he confronts her about it, he'll have taken the high road. He'll have been the one who voiced concern and wanted to resolve the issue. He'll have been the one who was being honest. It's possible that she will be relieved that it's out in the open. Or maybe she's been faithful and she'll have a reasonable explanation for his suspicions.

All of these scenarios have happened before. A lot of people have mistakenly accused their spouses of cheating. And a lot of people have cheated without being discovered. He could investigate if he still suspects after she's denied it, but before that he's creating more mistrust. And it's the mistrust that would sink a marriage faster than anything else.

I completely agree with this.
 
If she is cheating on you then talking to her isn't going to do much. What do people on here expect her to say? "Yes honey, I've been cheating on you. Do you know what you'd like for dinner?"

You probably have a gut feeling something is happening and that gut usually doesn't come from nothing. Could you be wrong, sure but if you're not then you need to be fully prepared.

If you can't find out for certain then I would go with the private investigator and see what you can find. If she is cheating on you then I would I would consult a lawyer first and get your ducks in a row before you confront your wife. If she is cheating on you then there is a good chance she checked out mentally with the marriage long ago and divorce will be the only likely scenario.

Go with your gut and figure out what you need to figure out.
 
You can do it yourself, and be quite successful at it.

I don't know whether any of you have been in the OP's position, but in any event, my experience says that the stones you're casting in his direction are unwarranted.

I have been in the OP's position. I do know how it feels to suspect a cheating spouse, and I know exactly what it does to you inside.

It gnaws at you, and it doesn't stop; it eats away at your mind 24/7, both because you're wondering and because you're hurting at the thought. It's easy for you to come in and say "Just talk to her," but I'm sure the OP will agree with me that talking, at this point, will not help. Here's why: if he suspects her as strongly as he seems to, then she's already cheating on him. Talking to her about it won't get him anywhere; she's going to deny it, he won't believe her, and he won't feel any better about things; if anything, the only end result is that she'll start being more diligent about covering her tracks.

Rummaging through her stuff is "effed," is it, dmr727? It's a lot less effed than cheating. Trust me on this. Chances are good when he finds what he's looking for, he's going to go to her with it and get it out in the open. If he doesn't do this, then the alternative is to wait for her to come clean with it - and he'll be waiting forever for that to happen, all the while living life in misery because he can't put it to bed. I'm all for respecting each other's personal space, as long as you're both respecting each other. This guy needs closure; I don't mean he wants closure, he needs it. If you haven't been there, you don't know.

willbro, you're absolutely right - there is a problem in his marriage, and talking isn't going to fix it at this point. This isn't about talking out what's wrong in their marriage; this is about him being able to finally put an end to the sleepless nights, the unproductive days, all the wondering about just what the hell is happening. He didn't start a thread that says, "I suspect my spouse of cheating, should I talk to her about it?" - he wants help getting confirmation. Once you reach that point, you already know that talking isn't going to be productive; it's just going to turn into either lies, shouting, or both.

MacDawg, you hit the nail on the head. He knows she's cheating. Trust me on this - once you suspect someone to the level that the OP does, it's pretty much a given; now he just needs to "pull the Band-Aid off quickly" and find out what he needs to know so that he can move on. You ever see one of those interviews of a parent whose child has been missing for years, and they just want to know where the child's body has been dumped, so that they can have closure? It's a bit like that, not taken to that extreme - that tug, that aching feeling of not knowing will never go away until you do know.

And Abstract, you don't go into any detail as to why you're vilifying the OP, so I won't hazard a guess; but IMO there's not a damn thing wrong with what he wants.

I would urge everyone who's never been in those shoes to step back and think about it - even then, I don't expect you to "get" it. I do because it's happened to me. I suspected my first wife was cheating - I say "suspected" because I didn't have proof; the reality was that I was absolutely certain of it. Once I got my proof, my heart sank, and I cried. The next day, for the first time in months, I was perfectly fine; I was finally able to make peace with it and accept what was happening, and act accordingly. I have absolutely no regrets over doing what I did; in fact, it surely saved me even more grief, worry, and depression.

It’s easy to spout advice or judgements to someone with a keyboard separating the poster and postee, where more often than not the poster is just showing how righteous they are.

It’s rare on here to actually see someone post real advice from the heart. Thanks for being that someone for this OP.
 
If she is cheating on you then talking to her isn't going to do much. What do people on here expect her to say? "Yes honey, I've been cheating on you. Do you know what you'd like for dinner?"

You probably have a gut feeling something is happening and that gut usually doesn't come from nothing. Could you be wrong, sure but if you're not then you need to be fully prepared.

If you can't find out for certain then I would go with the private investigator and see what you can find. If she is cheating on you then I would I would consult a lawyer first and get your ducks in a row before you confront your wife. If she is cheating on you then there is a good chance she checked out mentally with the marriage long ago and divorce will be the only likely scenario.

Go with your gut and figure out what you need to figure out.

I would expect her to either deny that she is cheating and then discuss with the husband why he believes her to be cheating and to work out whatever issues causing this. Alternatively, if she is cheating, she would admit it because it's pretty obvious the husband's trust is lost and then try to work towards repairing the marriage or end the marriage. Of course, things aren't always that simple, but if you married someone, I would like to hope that the connection is strong enough to talk about anything, truthfully.
 
I would expect her to either deny that she is cheating and then discuss with the husband why he believes her to be cheating and to work out whatever issues causing this. Alternatively, if she is cheating, she would admit it because it's pretty obvious the husband's trust is lost and then try to work towards repairing the marriage or end the marriage. Of course, things aren't always that simple, but if you married someone, I would like to hope that the connection is strong enough to talk about anything, truthfully.

If the person is cheating then all truth and rational has gone out the window. She is not interested in his well being anymore or else she wouldn't have gone behind his back.

He needs to put himself and his best interests forward right now so he doesn't get raked across the coals if and when he finds out the absolute truth.

Thankfully Tomorrow has already said what needs to be said, which is more than most posts that are in this thread.
 
If she is cheating on you then talking to her isn't going to do much. What do people on here expect her to say? "Yes honey, I've been cheating on you. Do you know what you'd like for dinner?"
Actually, I've known this to work in quite a few cases.

The cheating spouse is hiding from the other. When confronted, it's like lifting a burden from their shoulders. At this point in time, I've see a variety of paths taken ... some good, some bad, and some in between.

It really depends on the individuals situation. There is no cookie cutter in this case.
 
Successful relationships are built around open and honest communication.

Violating her privacy and personal space will yield information, thoughts and images in your mind you will never be able to forget or purge, regardless of what you find. This course of action leads to ruin regardless. If you find she is cheating, you will lose your relationship. If she finds you are snooping, you will lose your relationship.

Spying is the action of someone looking to end a relationship, not save it.

I know this isn't a vote... but I'm gonna anyway. I vote that MacDawg has offered up the best advice you are going to hear.
 
Actually, I've known this to work in quite a few cases.

The cheating spouse is hiding from the other. When confronted, it's like lifting a burden from their shoulders. At this point in time, I've see a variety of paths taken ... some good, some bad, and some in between.

It really depends on the individuals situation. There is no cookie cutter in this case.

I agree it can work like this as well. In addition to MacRumors I also browse and post on AskMen which has a relationship section. Cheating spouse threads are an everyday thing so I'm well aware of the different scenarios.

I'll be curious to see what happens since it's not a good situation for any party involved. Anything can happen...
 
Rummaging through her stuff is "effed," is it, dmr727? It's a lot less effed than cheating.

Of course, he doesn't know she's cheating before rummaging through her stuff, so he could end up being the only one doing "effed" things once he discovers she's passively chatting with her sister.

So your suggestion is actually pretty bad. Once the trust is dead and you do things behind her back because you suspect her of doing things behind yours, you're the one doing the "effed" crap and you might kill your own relationship.

Your experience is one where your suspicions were confirmed, but what if it is all in his mind ? Then what ?

Anyway, OP never came back to the thread. That should tell you something...
 
Of course, he doesn't know she's cheating before rummaging through her stuff

Or, maybe he does. Your words come across like you've never been in that position.

Suppose you and I were in a room, and nobody else was in the room. You face one direction, and I stand behind you; you can't see me. You then feel someone smack you on the back of the head.

Now, you didn't see me do anything, but you're pretty sure I'm the one who smacked you in the head, even though you can't prove it. So you try to confront me.

"Did you just smack me in the head?"

"No, why?"

I'm telling you, it's pretty easy to figure out when you're being cheated on; what's hard is actually obtaining the proof. Look at the title of the thread: "Help me catch a cheating spouse!" It doesn't say, "Help me, is my spouse cheating on me?"

Once the trust is dead and you do things behind her back because you suspect her of doing things behind yours, you're the one doing the "effed" crap and you might kill your own relationship.

Your experience is one where your suspicions were confirmed, but what if it is all in his mind ? Then what ?

If he thinks it's all in his mind, then he'd probably talk to her about it. If he wants to confirm what he already knows, I think he should. He'll feel much better for it.
 
I have suspicions that my wife may be cheating on me. She uses a PC and surfs the net on Firefox.

Look at the title of the thread: "Help me catch a cheating spouse!" It doesn't say, "Help me, is my spouse cheating on me?"

You say, "look at the thread title", and I say, "look at the thread post".
He has "suspicions" his wife "may be cheating".

All any of us are doing is speculating because we have no real info here
I understand your personal pain and experience, but you seem to have reached a conclusion the OP hasn't reached yet

If he is ready to end his relationship, then get the proof, or tell her wants out regardless
If he wants to fight for his relationship, then talk to her
 
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