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Help me understand 4k

cyb3rdud3 said:
There is no such thing as a real QLED tv. Heck Samsung themselves don’t believe they can get the panels commefcially viable until 2019.
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Since Samsung is already using "QLED" term currently, what will they call real QLED TVs?

QLED II
QLED Pro
QLED eXXXtreme!
QLED This Time We Really Mean It, Unlike The Last Several Years When We Were Trying To Confuse You
QLED Hopefully We Won't Have Our Headquarters Raided or Executive Leaders Arrested in 2016 2017 2018

Okay, sorry about that last one. That's more of a Samsung company motto than a specific TV technology.
 
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Because I refuse to watch 3D movies in 2D.

If your 1080p 3DTV is active you won't gain resolution with a 3D 4KTV right now.
 
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I don't do the 3D hate the glasses

So you don't think 4k with hdr offers that much of a improvement
 
I did not say that. You don't need OLED for HDR or 4K, but the image quality is better.

LG has a 2016 OLED line with 3D 4K HDR10 HLG Dolby Vision but it is not cheap (HLG came in a firmware upgrade). Signature series.

There's a petition to add Atmos support, but I doubt it will happen.
 
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cube said:
I did not say that. You don't need OLED for HDR or 4K, but the image quality is better.

LG has a 2016 OLED line with 3D 4K HDR10 HLG Dolby Vision but it is not cheap (HLG came in a firmware upgrade). Signature series.
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Yup that is what I’ve got. 3D is best I’ve ever experienced on a screen. And 2D looks fantastic as well.

Feed it a great UHD disc with the Oppo player and Dolby Vision and the quality is just awesome.

Or stream BBC broadcast with HLG and be ready to be wowed.

Can’t wait for the Apple 4K tv with all of its Dolby Vision programming.
 
I guess if some streaming service adds Atmos, you will need an external box.
 
cyb3rdud3 said:
Can’t wait for the Apple 4K tv with all of its Dolby Vision programming.
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And 3:2 pulldown judder on every movie. :mad:
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cube said:
I'd rather get a 3D "LED" than a 2D OLED.
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3D is dying in LCD too, so I'm actually wondering how I'll be able to watch my 3DBD library if my TV ever fails (or goes obsolete in the future). :(
 
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I have owned many LED tv's over the years and several OLED tv's. OLED gives far better picture quality than LED/QLED. You only have to look on the countless review sites or AV forums to see this to be the case. QLED still suffers from the many issues LED suffers, which in my situations makes the picture quality worse. OLED isn't perfect either. However, its a lot better than LED and as the technology matures it will keep getting better.

I also agree with previous posts that QLED is basically a marketing term and whether intentional or not, can be confusing for customers. Its like when DVD HD players were released before the official HD DVD and Blu Ray players. The DVD HD players were a marketing term so people thought they were getting true HD picture quality, which was confusing for customers. But in fact they were just getting upscaled DVD picture quality from these players and then needed to buy a second device to play true HD DVD or Blu Ray.

As for the recommendations on buying a 3D 1080p tv over 2D OLED, I think this would be a mistake unless your heavily invested in 3D. If you don't own 3D or don't own many, I would seriously consider getting a 4K HDR tv. This could be either LED or OLED, depending on what you can afford. But to buy a 1080p 3D tv now if you don't require the 3D component would be ridiculous. 3D is a dying, could be said dead, format. Many major manufacturers are not supporting 3D in their tv's anymore and 4K Blu Ray's aren't supporting 3D either. There are countless articles on many websites confirming this which can be read. You will be able to continue buying 3D movies for years to come most likely. But as more tv's, players, etc get released not supporting the format it will slowly disappear at some point in the near future.

So if one can afford it, I believe an OLED tv to be the better choice. This is not to say you shouldn't buy an LED tv however.
 
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You can get burn-in with OLED. I'm happy I did not buy one since I use the TV as a monitor.
 
You said "I'd rather get a 3D LED than a 2D OLED." The thread starter has been asking about 4K and about different tv's. The comment you made could easily be taken as a recommendation. And yes, I'm fully aware there are 3D 4K HDR tv's. But majority of new 4K HDR tv's aren't supporting 3D. As time goes on it will become harder to get a 3D 4K HDR tv because its a dying format. And I would still recommend a 4K HDR OLED tv over a 3D 4K HDR LED tv.

As for OLED tv's suffering from screen burn-in, lets not try making more out of this than it is. For a start, OLED doesn't suffer from screen burn in anywhere near as much as plasma did. However, even the top plasmas didn't even suffer with it much and the last few years of plasmas retail life made it even less so. Should an OLED tv be used as a monitor? Probably not. If this thread was about what is the best display for a monitor I'd recommend an LED. But this thread has been about a 4K tv for an Apple TV 4K. So really whether an OLED tv is good or not good as a monitor doesn't really matter.
 
You can get burn-in with logos in an OLED TV even if you don't use it as a computer monitor or play games. There's a good number of people reporting this problem now that OLED has become relatively popular.

And you can use your TV both as a TV and a monitor.

All except one 2017 3DTVs in Europe are 4K, and three quarters are HDR.
 
cube said:
You can get burn-in with logos in an OLED TV even if you don't use it as a computer monitor or play games. There's a good number of people reporting this problem now that OLED has become relatively popular.

And you can use your TV both as a TV and a monitor.

All except one 2017 3DTVs in Europe are 4K, and three quarters are HDR.
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Burn in vs image retention are very different...The likely hood of actual burn in is incredibly low...

I've got two 4K LCD monitors on my desk. I wouldn't dream of putting a TV as a computer monitor there. Way to big to get a good field of view...and the pixels are also way to big....I'd use one for a presentation but that is about it...

And yes mine is a 4K OLED LG with HDR, Dolby Vision, HLD and 3D....Best 3D I've seen anywhere....Really good.
 
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cyb3rdud3 said:
I've got two 4K LCD monitors on my desk. I wouldn't dream of putting a TV as a computer monitor there. Way to big to get a good field of view...and the pixels are also way to big....I'd use one for a presentation but that is about it...
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The pixels are not too big in a 4KTV to use as a monitor. There are no 3D 4K computer monitors.

I wanted to get a 40", but there was not one that was both 3D and curved, so I ended up getting a 48", which is slightly too big with Mac but better with PC (46" would be better as a 23" 3D FullHD IPS monitor worked well for me previously).

What I am lacking now is FreeSync/G-Sync and high refresh rate. It is quantum dot HDR Smart.

The next one I buy will be 8K 3D FreeSync HFR, but no bigger, so I will get retina.
 
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Yes, logos can cause burn-in. But you would have to leave it on with the same logo for a very, very longtime. This effected early plasma screens greatly. But it didn't really effect later ones for several years. OLED doesn't suffer with burn-in anywhere near to what even the later plasmas did and that wasn't much. You seem to be really over stating the possibility of burn just to start an argument. Like previous post mentioned, theres a difference between burn-in and retention. The likely hood of actually burn-in is incredibly low.

You say there is a good number of people reporting this problem now that OLED's have become more popular. This again is over stating things. If you think the amount of people complaining about burn-in on OLED's is high, I suggest you don't even entertain the idea of entering different AV forum LED tv treads. The amount of issues people mention that LED's suffer from is gigantic compared to the amount of people mentioning OLED burn-in. And many people even play video games on OLED's who are hardcore gamers and don't have any issues.

And really, you can use your tv both as a tv and a monitor! Really! Sorry for the sarcasm but please give me some credit. Yes, I realise you can use a tv for both. But why is this even relevant to what I've said? You only mentioned you used it as a monitor and more importantly, the tread starter asked about it to use as a tv. Your the only one who brought up it being used as a monitor into it. As far as I am aware, this thread was talking about the use as a tv and not a monitor.
 
cube said:
The pixels are not too big in a 4KTV to use as a monitor. There are no 3D 4K computer monitors.

I wanted to get a 40", but there was not one that was both 3D and curved, so I ended up getting a 48", which is slightly too big with Mac but better with PC (46" would be better as a 23" 3D FullHD IPS monitor worked well for me previously).

What I am lacking now is FreeSync/G-Sync and high refresh rate. It is quantum dot HDR.

The next one I buy will be 8K 3D FreeSync HFR, so I will get retina.
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Well mine are 24" each...so 48" is twice the size of the pixels compared to mine...That is huge...
 
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