Exactly that. Nobody is saying it's not possible that the OP is speaking the truth. We just don't have any shred of proof. And without proof, this thread is deader than dead.
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Exactly that. Nobody is saying it's not possible that the OP is speaking the truth. We just don't have any shred of proof. And without proof, this thread is deader than dead.
You're more likely to be right if RAM modules were made by.... hand.
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Exactly. I wish I could be this eloquent.
Haha that would explain alot. If he doesn't understand the concept on how to upload pics, then tackling some ram would seem like a rubic cube puzzle to him.
This must have been him after is Imac ram slots were supposably "Soft" and he broke his machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc
The Crucial fanboys are a continual riot. Who knew there was such a thing?
I have a solution for everyone that will settle it. Buster, William, Chabig, Chippy, Arfdog, I'd be glad to sell any of you my ill fitting Crucial sticks, since they are obviously perfect as long as you don't mind jamming them down and spreading the sides of your RAM slots apart a little. I'll even knock another $10 off the price I paid. Sounds like you can all take your family out to dinner again on the difference. LOL Let me know who's game.
I have a solution for everyone that will settle it. Buster, William, Chabig, Chippy, Arfdog, I'd be glad to sell any of you my ill fitting Crucial sticks, since they are obviously perfect as long as you don't mind jamming them down and spreading the sides of your RAM slots apart a little. I'll even knock another $10 off the price I paid. Sounds like you can all take your family out to dinner again on the difference. LOL Let me know who's game.
After doing RAM upgrade on many Macs, my own and for my customers, I have to say, the only time you can break something is because you try to force the module in. I highly doubt Crucial memory is out of specs, even if it is, you can feel it and should stop immediately, You can try to shift the blame to Apple or Crucial, in the end you only have yourself to blame.
I feel bad a brand new iMac ended in the wrong hands.
I feel bad a brand new iMac ended in the wrong hands.
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As with all my purchases, i'd need pics. LOL. Where are they? And if in good condition, i'll offer $40 for the 16 GB.
Eloquent?
Try illogical. Explain to me how the OP managed to damage the sides of the RAM slot if the RAM was properly sized? I'll await your "eloquent" explanation. Oh, that's right, he made it all up. And the reason for that is? I'll await the possible reason someone would do that then, if that's the theory. And the other people who said it's "a real tight fit", but they managed to get it in? So how is it the Crucial RAM is tight from China and the United States RAM seems to be even tighter, to the point it wouldn't go in? Oh yeah, I'm delusional as well. Has it occurred to the skeptics that are so suspicious of multiple Crucial RAM buyers with fit problems and specifically the United States version, that it might be out of spec? I received a nice follow up email from a Crucial rep today talking about the Apple specs being finicky and he will continue to look into it. Perhaps these slots are slightly different and Hynix was given a size to make that is slightly narrower than industry standards for this RAM? I don't know, but that is one possible explanation I suppose.
I do know there are a bunch of skeptics on here that would rather denigrate people that are trying to help by sharing their experience than to actually provide some meaningful addition to the thread.
Try illogical. Explain to me how the OP managed to damage the sides of the RAM slot if the RAM was properly sized? I'll await your "eloquent" explanation. Oh, that's right, he made it all up. And the reason for that is? I'll await the possible reason someone would do that then, if that's the theory. And the other people who said it's "a real tight fit", but they managed to get it in? So how is it the Crucial RAM is tight from China and the United States RAM seems to be even tighter, to the point it wouldn't go in? Oh yeah, I'm delusional as well. Has it occurred to the skeptics that are so suspicious of multiple Crucial RAM buyers with fit problems and specifically the United States version, that it might be out of spec? I received a nice follow up email from a Crucial rep today talking about the Apple specs being finicky and he will continue to look into it. Perhaps these slots are slightly different and Hynix was given a size to make that is slightly narrower than industry standards for this RAM? I don't know, but that is one possible explanation I suppose.
I do know there are a bunch of skeptics on here that would rather denigrate people that are trying to help by sharing their experience than to actually provide some meaningful addition to the thread.
Ridiculous
This isn't a court of law. It's just a mac forum. Accept the OP's story at face value or not. You decided not to. Fine. What I don't understand is that in spite of pictures I provided that clearly show the Crucial RAM was wider than the Hynix Apple supplied RAM you still insist there is no proof. The RAM needs to slide all the way down. If it's too wide, no matter the top or bottom, it doesn't fit properly. As another poster said, the only way to damage a computer is to use too much force. Sam decided to push too hard and damaged the slots. I decided not to after reading his post. How is it that we become the bad guys for telling our experience here?
This isn't a court of law. It's just a mac forum. Accept the OP's story at face value or not. You decided not to. Fine. What I don't understand is that in spite of pictures I provided that clearly show the Crucial RAM was wider than the Hynix Apple supplied RAM you still insist there is no proof. The RAM needs to slide all the way down. If it's too wide, no matter the top or bottom, it doesn't fit properly. As another poster said, the only way to damage a computer is to use too much force. Sam decided to push too hard and damaged the slots. I decided not to after reading his post. How is it that we become the bad guys for telling our experience here?
I'll try to be as eloquent as I can:
He jammed it in the wrong way around.
Eloquent enough?
However, it really doesn't matter whether there was anything wrong with his ram, nor whether he had the sticks the wrong way with the notch on the wrong side.
There are two possibiliities here:
1. He's lying and made it all up. (I doubt that personally.)
2. He used too much force. It doesn't matter how good or bad a fit the ram is. If you push so hard as to damage the slots, you were pushing too hard. Period.
Those exhibiting the pedantic position that RAM is mass-produced and therefore could never be wrong or incorrectly sized . . . . .
I would pay $0.15 to watch them remove factory RAM, carefully check the orientation of the slot, and then install out-of-spec RAM, knowing with full conviction that RAM never ever varies in size and therefore applying sufficient force to seat the aforementioned RAM.
/popcorn please
There certainly is the obvious possibility that the user did fornicate the K-9 here. But, I've seen enough crap from industry to know that the story of the OP could be more than whispy smoke.
I would pay $0.15 to watch them remove factory RAM, carefully check the orientation of the slot, and then install out-of-spec RAM, knowing with full conviction that RAM never ever varies in size and therefore applying sufficient force to seat the aforementioned RAM.
/popcorn please
There certainly is the obvious possibility that the user did fornicate the K-9 here. But, I've seen enough crap from industry to know that the story of the OP could be more than whispy smoke.
Not the bad guy. Just silly, in this day and age of so much nonsense online, how easy it is to post pictures. Choosing not to is...well... silly.
This is why we all agree about how the op deliberately ignored our requests for proof. Especially since everyone walks around with a camera phone. Its so easy to login to mac rumors and upload your photo. You can even e-mail it to your self load it to your computer and upload it that way. If someone is going to make a huge accusation that would affect the retail sales of Crucial and increase the sales of OWC makes you wonder who really created this thread.
The op is either
1) A concerned customer with bad ram (Very Unlikely) (Show me the proof).
2) A not so bright customer who broke his own computer when installing the ram wrong.
3) A not so bright customer who blames crucial for his not so bright choice to force the ram into the iMac.
4) A not so bright customer who installed the ram backwards and broke the slots.
5) A not so bright customer Blames his own actions on apple by calling the ram slots "SOFT" without proof. I bet they were broken into pieces. (show me proof that they were soft!)
6) A not so bright customer who forgets that the 2012 model is the same as the 2013 model, but with different processors and gpu's. Same Case design as well as using the same ram. Not once did this happen over the course of the 2012 release. Let alone finding an Imac with "SOFT" Slots.
7) Someone who doesn't even own an imac and came on here to start a post because he hates Crucial.
8) Someone that can afford a $2000 computer, broke it, cant accept that he broke it and refuses to take photos with his camera phone.
9) Someone that was obviously guilty of his own doing by refusing to post pictures with the end goal of hurting curical's sales.
10) Highly unlikely, but he could have been paid by OWC to start this thread.
Pick a number. I can go on all day about how much nonsense comes out of his mouth. It's all hearsay. What has this world come to that you have to post your issues online and get angry when people ask for proof? Have you seen whats online? 80% of it is conspiracy theories and alien related. Even-though most of that stuff is fake (maybe one day we'll see real proof) at least those people try to prove their case. This may not be a court of law, but on the internet everyone is skeptical until its proven. Thats just how it is, you don't even know if sam is even a girl or a guy behind that username. I'm just saying that if your going to spend the time to sign up for this site. Post alot on these forums (post pics to other threads) and then decide that its not relevant to post pictures when you making big accusations against Crucail, and Apple for their oversized ram (crucial) "SOFT" ram slots (APPLE) then you better come on here with proof.
Then to try and shut this thread down he came back and said apple fixed it. At this point their is no way to really know what happened, but either way the op just hurt his own reputation. He will forever be known as the (I Blame million dollar corporations for my own faults, without proof guy). We live in a computer world, their are camera's everywhere. Not being able to take a photo is like not being able to find a starbucks.
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LOL!! I bet this is what the op looks like
I bet he has this posted in his house to prevent people from releasing "classified" self-incriminting evidence against him.
Even these people took the time to find signs, write on them, get in costume, take a photo, and upload it to the internet. I guess for some uploading pictures to the internet is to much of a chore. Which explains how the op of this thread failed to install his ram correctly. Uploading pictures is 100 times easier than installing ram. He should have known better.
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Sure, ignore the fact that I had the same RAM and had the same problem but decided not to force the RAM as the OP did. And that I posted pictures but somehow you still aren't convinced. You're wrong and you know it so you fall back to your bashing of the OP. There were a bunch of posters who did successfully manage to jam in the ill fitting RAM and also posted. So the idea these things are precision produced at exacting industry standards is wrong. And the Crucial rep told me that Apple RAM sizing is sometimes finicky. So while not taking blame, he is admitting that this isn't the first time this sort of discrepancy occurred.
Give it up. To quote Johnny Cochrane, the RAM didn't fit, so you must aquit! LOL
Give it up. To quote Johnny Cochrane, the RAM didn't fit, so you must aquit! LOL
My bet is nobody ever really wanted evidence in the first place, but rather to see the iMac the OP crapped up for lolz.
Your evidence wasn't proof that these ram chips were designed wrong. Instead it just proved our point that Crucial didnt screw up the design since we have yet to see any real proof of this ram actually being to big to fit.
If you actually read this thread you would have read Chippy99's post and seen the picture that he posted. He took your photo and added a straight line to it to prove that the ram is the same as the oem ram. That line is 100% straight, if it wasn't you would see a jump in the line thats how lines work on computers. I also mentioned this many times after he posted the picture which is why I ignored your photo as any proof in the OP's Case.
For reference here is the proof that proves that your ram was just fine.
Look at the bottom part of the ram that has the electrical connections linking it to the imac. That is the only part that matters if its extended or not. If that is the same size then its not "to big" You looked at the top part and is extended. That yellow piece at the top that is 1-2mm bigger Does Not affect the fitmit of the ram at all. It only affects the amount of air it takes up in the compartment. That also makes me wonder why you took a photo of the ram chips opposite of each other on top of the 45 degree angle you so nicely added to help make the yellow top look more noticeable.
So until i see some proof that shows CLEARLY that the ram is made incorrectly at the pins. Then I'll be openminded about that. Till that happens this thread will stay the way it is and everything i said is True.
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Still don't see a single picture of a defective Crucial memory module installed in an iMac memory slot showing that it won't fit.... still waiting.
Yes it is possible that there's a batch of Crucial 204 pin SODIMM modules built incorrectly, but where's the beef? None seen yet. Just accusations so far. Let me throw one in of my own. I bought a USB mouse for my iMac and it doesn't fit. I pushed it in, now I have a broken USB interface! Who's with me on defective mice??
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Assuming the OP is right about RAM fitting, I think whoever will take claim in charge will ask for pictures.
In a MBP only three dimensions are critical: the lower sides below the notch, and the notch position itself, both in the connector and on the sides. The uppermost portion of the sides have more tolerance since they're not used by the machine to hold onto its RAM sticks.
In an iMac, don't RAM sticks insert the same way you do in a MBP, releasing the side tabs and pulling the module from aside?
In a MBP only three dimensions are critical: the lower sides below the notch, and the notch position itself, both in the connector and on the sides. The uppermost portion of the sides have more tolerance since they're not used by the machine to hold onto its RAM sticks.
In an iMac, don't RAM sticks insert the same way you do in a MBP, releasing the side tabs and pulling the module from aside?
Lmao has anyone checked Sam Spades post history, they are all in relation to ram choices or damaged ram, even in other threads like 'spec envy' he mentions ram. I think that this thread was wildcard in his plot to get some attention and it has worked every time.
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Yup pretty much the same as my 13 mac book pro. Black tabs on both sides that let the ram in and out. The imac also slides out to allow a easier placement of the ram in the machine
Haha i looked through all his posts which is why i believed that he worked for OWC and that this was a ploy at getting new Ram sales since their ram is 40% more costly than Crucial. OWC would need a very good reason to push people away from crucial and this type of damage to an imac would do it. Considering the 2012 model is the same just with new processors says alot since its never happened over the course or the last year. That or He's just a Crucial Fanboy. I posted this same quote on the last page but here it is again for all to see.
Quoted directly from sam's (digital) mouth.
The Title of The Thread: "Any experience using OWC 32GB kit on 2011 iMacs?"
Original post is at
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1391290/
OWC had the RAM cheaper ($179) 2-3 days ago. I just picked up a "Best" model 2013 iMac (i7, 780M, 3TB fusion) from the Apple Store yesterday and MacMall sold me a 16GB upgrade (2x 8GB) modules for $169.00.
They work great.
On the web, it's $202 MD634G/A-AX
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